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How the ‘stars aligned' for closer trilateral relations(India-Japan-US)

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In China a no name poor waitress can KILL a government official and get away with it, even after being arrested, and the case was thrown out of court by the judge.

In India, you think a waitress can KILL a MP and not show up as a corpse in the Ganges 2 weeks later? You think throwing a shoe matters to those in power? You throw a shoe, he exports another million to swiss banks, damn if I had that deal I'd take it.

first of all in india too i can give hundreds of examples where murderes of govt officials have gone scot free by court. also i m not here to defend the judicial system of india. i am also aware of the advantages of having a single party rule vis a vis a multi party politics like us.

It is a well known fact people in democratic party enjoy much more freedom then people governed under one party rule. i also agree freedom does not necessarily translate towards development. single party rule ensures that every one is fllowowing a path decided by party. there are not many distractions and hence pace of development will be much faster compared to a democratic country like us.

my post was merely in response to comments by @peaceful. his response was totally uncalled for. he seem to have forgotten china was at the same place some time ago where india stands now.
 
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@Below Freezing
lool give me one example where a citizen has gotten away with even a few words against the govt ...pure bigotry ..very sad.
U and Peaceful are both troubled go get a checkup.

From systematic elimination of 'Felengong', to the recent Corruption in ur 'high speed train ' ur country's no saint;

Individuals like u mend to ur bruised real life Integrity by pushing false claims and stereotyped bigotry onto the world. Truly sad:disagree:
 
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Economic and military co-operation is good unless you from another NATO like ally.
 
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^^^ lool give me one example where a citizen has gotten away with even a few words against the govt ...pure bigotry ..very sad.
U and Peaceful are both trouble go get a checkup.

From systematic elimination of 'Felengong', to the recent Corruption in ur 'high speed train ' ur country's no saint;

Individuals like u mend to ur bruised real life Integrity by pushing false claims and stereotyped bigotry onto the world. Truly sad:disagree:

lol, so u r recommending check up just because u dont agree with my views. hows that for a hippocracy?

i wont recommend u for a medical/mental check up. u r free to disagree.
 
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no his post no. 17 was in reply to my post no. 16. any ways how r abhishek bro. long time no see.
 
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“an alternative model to China”?

india of course has this "an alternative model to China" already for decades: much terrible economic status, shocking level of infrastructure, defense industry couldn't even make a tank, 60 years life expectancy.

dude: the thehindu.com is not a respectful source of information, next when you want to post something from that junk bin, please double check its value first.

Oh!!yea and you couldn't make a simple Motor bike and copied from a country (with much terrible economic status, shocking level of infrastructure, defense industry couldn't even make a tank, 60 years life expectancy)that outrageous ,you must thanks to your daddy Russia to provide you with necessary military hardware even in your bad patch days ,else am sure you couldn't even copied a Screw,well about India 124MBT tanks roaming in deserts of Rajasthan and more to join afterwards , don't you believe in my words ??? then do come in front of it to witness blazing Indian guns ...:azn::smokin:
 
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“an alternative model to China”?

india of course has this "an alternative model to China" already for decades: much terrible economic status, shocking level of infrastructure, defense industry couldn't even make a tank, 60 years life expectancy.
china as much terrible economic status to Japan, so what? shock level of infrastructure compared to Japan. India has its own MBT, may china can try to make one of its own now. :azn:

dude: the thehindu.com is not a respectful source of information, next when you want to post something from that junk bin, please double check its value first.

:rofl: The Hindu has been given access to India specific cables by Wikileaks and its one of the most credible newspaper in the world.
 
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“an alternative model to China”?

india of course has this "an alternative model to China" already for decades: much terrible economic status, shocking level of infrastructure, defense industry couldn't even make a tank, 60 years life expectancy.

dude: the thehindu.com is not a respectful source of information, next when you want to post something from that junk bin, please double check its value first.
I agree with most of what you wrote but to be fair The Hindu is probably the only outlet you can legitimately call "news" in India. Not like TOIlet, Hindustan Times (you probably got this one mixed up with The Hindu) or Rediff.
 
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The U.S. Embassy in New Delhi urged Washington to take advantage of improved Indo-Japanese ties to fulfil its own agenda in Asia

An uncharacteristically effusive diplomatic cable sent from the U.S. Embassy in New Delhi urged policymakers in Washington to use “blossoming” Indo-Japanese ties in 2006 to fulfil American goals for the Asian region, including in terms of offering emerging nations “an alternative model to China.”

“Leaders from every country which seeks global influence are beating a path to New Delhi, and if we want the bilateral relationship to have value, it will be in leveraging India's emergence as part of our global strategy. As India and Japan grow closer, the U.S. needs to pounce on this moment of opportunity to shape the direction diplomacy in this region takes in the coming decades,” a cable classified by Deputy Chief of Mission Geoffrey Pyatt, sent under Ambassador David C. Mulford's name, advised Washington.

The May 5, 2006 cable (88132: confidential) went on to discuss the potential opportunities and refute the perceived drawbacks of engineering a trilateral dialogue. It also revealed much about why the Americans valued the India relationship in the year the U.S. Senate passed legislation to allow nuclear material and technology exports to India.

“The opportunity for the U.S. to secure closer trilateral relations with the world's largest democracy and one of our greatest allies is dazzling. The stars have aligned in innumerable and historic ways,” said the cable, accessed by The Hindu through WikiLeaks.

Among the “initiatives” envisaged by the Embassy were joint peacekeeping, disaster relief response capacity building, educational exchange, green technology and global disease initiatives.

Military cooperation

But it was in the area of military cooperation, it appeared, that the U.S. was most interested: maritime infrastructure and port-building projects, maritime security exercises in the region, trilateral missile defence research and other military cooperation, and bilateral aviator training for pilots. As well as having “strategic security implications these would provide opportunities for American business,” the cable said.

“The larger goal would be to demonstrate to India the benefits for Japan of the complex mil-mil [military-military] and military industrial relationship with Japan, with an eye toward getting India to ‘buy American',” the cable added.

Bilateral training exercises for Japanese and Indian airmen were held out as examples. “If done quickly, and if partnered with industry representatives seeking co-production offset arrangements… [these] could serve as an excellent conduit for demonstrating the superiority of F-16 and F-18 fighters as they compete for the multi-billion dollar Indian contract expected within the next couple years.”

Would all this cooperation make China feel “boxed in” and encourage it to counter the U.S. activities by engaging with North Korea, using its veto at the UN or building its military capacity, the cable asked. Well, China does what it wants anyway: this was the Embassy's comment. “China pursues its own interests relentlessly in international fora, and Chinese military spending has increased, by some estimates, by over 1000 per cent in the last 15 years.”

“The fact is,” the cable continued, “while China is actively seeking to spread its influence through the Shanghai Cooperation Organization, its ‘string of pearls' in the Indian Ocean or other diplomatic initiatives (none of which suggest China defers to American anxieties as it proceeds), a more visible U.S.-Japan-India friendship would signal that free and democratic nations, too, pursue their interests, along with partners who share our values. We will be offering other hopeful emerging nations on the continent a distinctly alternative model to China's.”

India's value

The cable argued that aside from acting as a bulwark against China, allowing India into strategically sensitive discussions of the region would have a value of its own. Indeed, in answering the self-posed question, “what if we can develop India into a close ally in the coming decades?” the cable revealed what the U.S. might expect from such a relationship.

“India brings to the table not only the world's largest democracy and a potential market of a billion people, it is also the secular home to the world's second largest Muslim population, a regional naval power whose interests in maritime security closely match the United States', a growing economic giant, a nuclear power, an educational dynamo, a strategically located land and sea link for all Asia, an oasis of stability in a dysfunctional neighborhood, and a nation that is on its own actively seeking closer ties with Japan and Australia,” the cable said.

The potential to develop the U.S. into a close ally was evident through some cooperative activities such as those of the Tsunami Core Group, the cable said. It noted once again India's potential as a weapons buyer: “India plans to upgrade every major defense system it has over the next 15 years, and for the first time in nearly half a century is looking at the U.S. as a defense supplier.”

The cable mooted the idea of a quadrilateral dialogue between the U.S., India, Japan and Australia, starting with a “focus on the global war on terror, global warming/clean energy, maritime security, anti-piracy and intellectual property rights, trade liberalization, health and science.”

‘So what?'

In short, the cable said, “What the U.S. stands to gain by adding India to the U.S.-Japan-Australia mix is essentially squaring the circle in the Asia-Pacific region, bringing a geometric and geopolitical connection for democracy that spans nearly half the globe.”

The cable concluded with an appeal to strengthen this relationship, that invoked no less than the security of future American citizens: “By pushing our sphere of close friends past the Pacific Rim and through East Asia — through a region where the U.S. has been involved in three wars in our parents' lifetime, not to mention a hotbed in the Global War on Terror — in terms of U.S. interests in Asia, ‘so what?' could very well mean a great deal for the next generation.”

The Hindu : News / The India Cables : How the ‘stars aligned' for closer trilateral relations

True words.
 
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“an alternative model to China”?

india of course has this "an alternative model to China" already for decades: much terrible economic status, shocking level of infrastructure, defense industry couldn't even make a tank, 60 years life expectancy.

dude: the thehindu.com is not a respectful source of information, next when you want to post something from that junk bin, please double check its value first.

you can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. I don't have any problem with that.

1. Do not try to be Super-Mod to decide what's should be posted pr not be in your limits.

2. Just Google if you don't have info about before commenting, The Hindu have special collaboration and access to the original wikileakes documents related to India.

Don't go by what i says just Google it to confirm and don't expect spoon feeding every time.
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I agree with most of what you wrote but to be fair The Hindu is probably the only outlet you can legitimately call "news" in India. Not like TOIlet, Hindustan Times (you probably got this one mixed up with The Hindu) or Rediff.

Similary ,If you could atleast name one from China side ,who is not a Marxist mouthpiece will be huge appreciation from your side ???:rolleyes:
 
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no his post no. 17 was in reply to my post no. 16. any ways how r abhishek bro. long time no see.

since he said "U and Peaceful are both trouble " it looks he was referring to freeze. anyway, life is going well my dear friend. shaadi ki taiyyari ho rahi hai :D
how have you been?
 
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“India brings to the table not only the world's largest democracy and a potential market of a billion people, it is also the secular home to the world's second largest Muslim population, a regional naval power whose interests in maritime security closely match the United States', a growing economic giant, a nuclear power, an educational dynamo, a strategically located land and sea link for all Asia, an oasis of stability in a dysfunctional neighborhood, and a nation that is on its own actively seeking closer ties with Japan and Australia,” the cable said.


True voice from US!! But I do not think India is trying closer ties with Australia.
 
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