How the CCP Is Manipulating the Chinese Economy & Their Country (w/ Guo Wengui and Kyle Bass)

[Dungeness]

There are atheists in the West.

Sure. the argument here was "Chinese are not allowed to think outside CPC". The examples he used was very weak. There are always PCs in any society.

You are losing it, buddy. We are talking about rights and freedoms that governments can interfere upon.

Rights and freedoms defined by?

 

[Brainsucker]

China has controlled freedom, not an unruly, chaotic one. China behaves as an adult, knowing proper managers and what should say and what should not say, what you can do and what you are not supposed to do. Western freedom is like a brat, unruly and immature, always ready to throw a tantrum at the slightest matters, people make irresponsible remarks which may cause big trouble and inconvenience to others but they just don't care.

There is no thing that you can call "true" freedom in this world, or you just an anarchist / animal. Even in the United States of America, you will be jailed for more than 100 years when you threat their president to dead on Media Social.

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...hreatening-to-kill-trump-others-idUSKCN1SI0LY

So things always the same. There is some limit that you can't cross in this world. So there is no real freedom anywhere. You have to responsible for what you're saying / doing. That's what make us human, not some animal.

 

[gambit]

Sure. the argument here was "Chinese are not allowed to think outside CPC". The examples he used was very weak. There are always PCs in any society.

It means the Chinese people are -- at the intellectual level -- supposed to have only the Party to rely upon, which is not wrong because the Party have been and still is trying to portray itself as the sole guiding entity for the Chinese people.

 

[OIO]

There are atheists in the West.

Atheists are restricted in US.

 

[gambit]

Rights and freedoms defined by?

Anyone. How do you reconcile yourself when you enjoys rights and freedoms inside one country yet support the suppression of the same in another country?

 

[Dungeness]

It means the Chinese people are -- at the intellectual level -- supposed to have only the Party to rely upon, which is not wrong because the Party have been and still is trying to portray itself as the sole guiding entity for the Chinese people.

Sure, and I failed to find the advantages of having one more party.

 

[gambit]

Atheists are restricted in US.

How? I want to see laws that prevent atheists from public life.

 

[Rusty]

Sure. the argument here was "Chinese are not allowed to think outside CPC". The examples he used was very weak. There are always PCs in any society.



Rights and freedoms defined by?

Can you fly a Taiwan flag in China?
We all know you cannot, that is why I say you can't think outside the CPC

Here is a picture of people with Chinese flags in Canada

Sure, and I failed to find the advantages of having one more party.

if you fail to see the advantage then why do you live in the US?

You literally are proof of the advantage.
A multi party system has created such a desirable place that you have left your ancestral homeland to move and live there.

 

[gambit]

Sure, and I failed to find the advantages of having one more party.

Then what is the point of having ANY party with any name?

Do you not see the contradiction here? The point of having a name for me is to distinguish me from billions of other people. In the same vein, the point of having a 'communist' party name is to separate communists from democrats. That means you should support doing away with political partisanship altogether and just have a ruling clique whose memberships are based upon some criteria. Pretty much what you have now in China, no?

 

[Dungeness]

Can you fly a Taiwan flag in China?
We all know you cannot, that is why I say you can't think outside the CPC

Here is a picture of people with Chinese flags in Canada

Just like you can't do certain things in Pakistan. So are you going to tell me your people are not allowed to think outside of XXX?

Then what is the point of having ANY party with any name?

Do you not see the contradiction here? The point of having a name for me is to distinguish me from billions of other people. In the same vein, the point of having a 'communist' party name is to separate communists from democrats. That means you should support doing away with political partisanship altogether and just have a ruling clique whose memberships are based upon some criteria. Pretty much what you have now in China, no?

It has been that way to begin with. If ain't broken, why fix it?

 

[Brainsucker]

Just like you can't do certain things in Pakistan. So are you going to tell me your people are not allowed to think outside of XXX?

Let him fly Commintern flag in Pakistan, or Hisbud Tahir flags, and he'll see if he's allowed or not there. I think it is the same in China.

 

[OIO]

How? I want to see laws that prevent atheists from public life.

Some states prevent atheists from being officer in government.

 

[gambit]

It has been that way to begin with. If ain't broken, why fix it?

So essentially, you support dictatorships. Just an honest question.

 

[Rusty]

Just like you can't do certain things in Pakistan. So are you going to tell me your people are not allowed to think outside of XXX?

Absolutely.
I HATE that in Pakistan you can't declare yourself an atheist.
I personally know so many atheist in Pakistan, but sometimes its not safe for them to declare it.

I personally think we need to change that. And since Pakistan is a democracy, we have a chance to change it.

(see how I used my freedom to oppose something society does that I don't agree with?)

 

[Dungeness]

So essentially, you support dictatorships. Just an honest question.

I support any government that works.