How some Muslims behave in adopted countries

[Skeptic]

From what i can gather from this piece is that the writer is getting married to non muslim (they guy she is getting married to may well be a muslim, but his son isn't from this article)

I therefore put this question to her, how did she meet her husband to be? Was she dating (is this unislamic etc)

Being a british muslim, i don't think she can go on about muslims behaviour. She says its all about integration, integration to what extent, go to pubs/clubs etc. If so she is a hypocrite herself calling herself a muslim.

I put it to her, question your own behaviour and beliefs first women before considering others.

Sorry for getting personal, but I think you are the kind she was warning about. When in western country, you are questioning a lady's right to date and marry a guy of his choice... You are again questioning her faith which is supposedly a matter between her and god. Making judgement about her character if she goes to clubs. Does islam not prohibit you from judging others...

If a person is abroad and wishes to settle There, you can not always frown on their culture and values and expect to be accepted. Why this need to seek answers always from religion and not from common sense?

specially when in an adopted nation - all the author wanted to say was - dont wear you religion on sleeves and try to force your cultural values on the established ones. In short - do in rome as romans do.

 

[Hyde]

Islam is indeed a very peaceful religion but as mentioned in the sayings of our Beloved Prophet Muhammad (Peace be upon him) this Ummah (nation) will have all kind of peoples. It will have the most wicked peoples on earth and he gives an example that if before our nation if there was a nation in which a Son and Mother were involved in Fornication then this Ummah (Muslims) will too get involved in the fornication. It is a nation that will have all the good and bad habits of other religions.

Now if you analyze the state of the Muslims you will see there is a group of Muslims who thinks there should be no other religion other than Islam. If other peoples wants to live peacefully they will have to pay them "Jazziya" a kind of a tax and there is another group of Muslims who thinks all the peoples (from all religions) should live together peacefully. Prophet Muhammad S.A.W was a mercy to the whole mankind so we should also follow his teachings and become mercy for the whole mankind. You will find the most extremist and wicked Muslim in the world and you will find the most soft and the pious person on the earth in this religion.

Its a very strange religion, it is simple religion that if you follow the basic criteria by fullfilling the five pillars of Islam you are a Muslim but if you try to go in depth it is the most complicated religion you will ever see.

 

[Wounded Healer]

The five pillars of Islam are concerned with the personal life of a muslim. When you are living in a society, then all of us collectively, should be concerned with only two basic pillars of Islam, the foundations of our religion, namely, Peace and Justice.

The problem with us muslims today is that all the emphasis is laid upon these five pillars, i.e. kalma, namaz, roza,zakat and hajj...........but what the preachers of islam fail to understand is that every muslim knows this, and we, ourselves will answer to Allah for any discrepancy in them...........but no-one is really concerned with teaching/preaching how to live peacefully and justly in this world.

And herein begins our down-fall..........why should we be concerned with the personal life of a person, and who has given us that right, when we, ourselves are not fulfilling the basic requirements of islam..........i.e. peace and justice.

regards,

 

[Hyde]

The five pillars of Islam are concerned with the personal life of a muslim. When you are living in a society, then all of us collectively, should be concerned with only two basic pillars of Islam, the foundations of our religion, namely, Peace and Justice.

The problem with us muslims today is that all the emphasis is laid upon these five pillars, i.e. kalma, namaz, roza,zakat and hajj...........but what the preachers of islam fail to understand is that every muslim knows this, and we, ourselves will answer to Allah for any discrepancy in them...........but no-one is really concerned with teaching/preaching how to live peacefully and justly in this world.

And herein begins our down-fall..........why should we be concerned with the personal life of a person, and who has given us that right, when we, ourselves are not fulfilling the basic requirements of islam..........i.e. peace and justice.

regards,

oh yaar you know the root cause of our problem is the illeteracy of our Muslims. Let me give you one example, i often see peoples (Muslims) talking about Religion here n there. When i see any muslim in the street talking about religion he will say something that is not even written in the Holy Qur'an and he will say this is written in the Holy Qur'an. I many times asked them where is it written in the Holy Qur'an? then they have no answer. Peoples know thing about the Qur'an and claim it to be the part of the Glorious Qur'an.

If you know nothing better stay quite. What nowadays happening is every second person has become so-called scholar giving its final verdicts here and there without the knowledge of Islam.

It takes you 6 years to become MBBS doctor and you cannot ask a newbie to do kidney operation first day of his career. If you ever do that your operation is most likely to cause more problems to the patient. Similar is the case here, it takes around 10 years to become a scholar in Islam but we peoples know nothing and start giving verdict on day 1. First have some understandings of your religion before opening your big mouth

That is the only reason why we have so many terrorists organisations too. Peoples know nothing about Islam they have only heard the name "Jihad fi Sabillilah" and start sacrificing their lives in the name of religion without understand whether it is wrong or wrong? whether it fullfills the requirements of going for Jihad or the so-called Alims are making you fool in the name of religion

 

[p4kistan]

Sorry for getting personal, but I think you are the kind she was warning about. When in western country, you are questioning a lady's right to date and marry a guy of his choice... You are again questioning her faith which is supposedly a matter between her and god. Making judgement about her character if she goes to clubs. Does islam not prohibit you from judging others...

If a person is abroad and wishes to settle There, you can not always frown on their culture and values and expect to be accepted. Why this need to seek answers always from religion and not from common sense?

specially when in an adopted nation - all the author wanted to say was - dont wear you religion on sleeves and try to force your cultural values on the established ones. In short - do in rome as romans do.

Haha Lol " i think you are the kind of guy she was warning about" by all means think that mate. I don't care.

You are right only god can judge an individual. But you shouldn't go maligning fellow muslims just to bring peace to yourself.

I question her article as she goes on about islam and values, when in fact if you know anything about islam some customs of an adopted country can't coincide with islam i.e. alcohol.

Yes there are hypocritcal views and i admit i hold some myself yet why talk about hyprocasy when one is one themself as i believe is the authors case.

 

[Wounded Healer]

@ Zaki,
First of all, the problem is not just illteracy, rather it is the culmination of various problems and circumstances which started right after Hazrat Muhammad's death, and more specifically, Hazrat Usman's Shahadat. It is very easy to say that lack of education is the sole subject responsible for our plight today, but, in my opinion, this problem is more than a thousand years old.

I have seen many of your so-called Scholars and Muftis twist the teachings and sayings of Quran and Hazoor(P.B.U.H) in such a way that they can motivate a mob to do various dangerous and deadly things.

So, in essence, what am trying to say is, do not judge everyone u meet on the internet as a third-rate internet warrior of Islam......rather, listen and learn from your peers, as some of them are way better than those who have been studying the Quran throughout their lives, without ever understanding it.

regards,

 

[FreekiN]

I don't understand how an extremist would move to a western country and then complain about absolutely everything.

 

[qsaark]

Does islam not prohibit you from judging others...

No it does not, in fact, Islam asks you (as a Muslim) to do 'Amr bil maroof, nahi anil munkir', that is, preach good things, and condemn bad (as per Islamic law). The author is talking about Islam whereas its clear from her writeup that she is a liberal fascist, and the fact that this article is published in a liberal fascist newspaper Dawn, reinforces my opinion.

 

[qsaark]

Qu'ran stuck halfway up their *****.

Shame on you...Can a Muslim use these wordings for Quran? you call yourself a Muslim?

Post reported!

Mods, please investigate if he is a Pakistani Muslim residing in US, or a non-Muslim pretending to be a Pakistani Muslim.

 

[FreekiN]

No, the problems with muslims today is that instead of focusing on education and bettering their futures, they have a dual combo of Wahabi ideology as well as the Qu'ran stuck halfway up their *****.

WTF MAN...

 

[Hammy007]

Muslim immigrants, especially Pakistanis, are largely hypocrites. All they do is complain about USA this, USA that, but for some reason, the lines for visa applications is only getting longer



No, the problems with muslims today is that instead of focusing on education and bettering their futures, they have a dual combo of Wahabi ideology as well as the Qu'ran stuck halfway up their *****.

first of all the question is do you have any education at all, trailer trash???

 

[Awesome]

No need to feed the trolls, just report the post.

 

[Ahmad]

If muslims are not that happy in the west they can simply go back to their country of birth. As a matter of fact muslims have got a thousands times better life in europe/west compare to their own countries especially the UK. They have got all kind of freedom, they can practice their faith, they have got mosques etc. Even the local councils provide money to set ethnic related societies and support them and their cultures. for example the society of Pakistanis in different cities, the gov gives them the support and even financial support, Afghanistani's society, Somalis society, indians society etc. we complain about the others but never look at ourselves.

 

[Ahmad]

Please ignore alirulesall123 , he showed his face that how low life he is. he can criticize muslims, but insulting their faith is nothing but his own weakness.

 

[Hyde]

If muslims are not that happy in the west they can simply go back to their country of birth. As a matter of fact muslims have got a thousands times better life in europe/west compare to their own countries especially the UK. They have got all kind of freedom, they can practice their faith, they have got mosques etc. Even the local councils provide money to set ethnic councils and support them and their cultures. for example the society of Pakistanis in different cities, the gov gives them the support and even financial support, Afghanistani's society, Somalis society, indians society etc. we complain about the others but never look at ourselves.

if UK is ready to make Islam as its state religion and abolish couple of new laws created for Gays, Lisbians etc. Little bit of changings here and there............ Its a perfect example of Shariah Law

We peoples think giving Punishments only is SHARIAH Law. That is pathetic

There are so many Islamic Laws that are not being followed in Pakistan but here in UK.

I love UK