How PAF Should Counter the SU-30 MKI

[Skull and Bones]

A war has many dimensions, before MKI's intrude into enemy territory. All long range SAM and Radar installations will be taken out by missiles or by dedicated aircrafts in SEAD mission.

Why do people miss this beauty, ask any Hellenic Air Force officials, Mirage 2000-9 is more than a match for F-16 Blk-52s. In every combat exercise, Mirages managed to Jam F-16 Blk-52 radars effectively, everytime. I wasn't aware of this fact, until recently an ex-Hellenic air force official joined our forum (IDF)

 

[Edevelop]

I don't Think that above post is correct. because IAF 'll have numerical advantage over paf and MKI's are gonna come in packs. i think sukhoi30mki (or super sukhoi) equip with brahmos 'll be the game changer here.

What happened after Mumbai Attacks?
Why was there only 1 SU-30 in Pak air space?..... Eventually it was chased by an F-16 and Mirage V....

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and for the mig-29,mirage 2000,rafale,tejas,mig-21 bison.......................etc???

I am not going to troll. This thread is about SU-30 only....

 

[JonAsad]

so the baby talk whose d1ck is bigger has started again-

btw
OP article is very informative-
nice read-

 

[MastanKhan]

In Case Of War PAF 'll act As a defensive force (mostly defensive offensive or defensive 2) missions....so i don't think IAF AWACS will help much because su30mki 'll strike deep into enemy airspace. but in other hand PAF can use AWACS advantage in their airspace and prepare a counter move.

PS: I am not taking other IAF fighters into account....(read thread topic)

Hi,

In case of war---paf will be an offencive air force and will strike deep----. Paf never was and never will be a defencive air force regardless of what your country has---plain and simple as that.

They would rather die striking deep into enemy space rather than die in their own space----.

 

[Edevelop]

Dude, when it comes to fighter aircrafts, 2 is not necessarily equal to one.

An MKI's radar range will help it eliminate the FC-1's before they even discover what hit them.

Go look at the first page for SU-30's RCS....
I have answered the reason for 2....
Since JFT is made in Pakistan, we can make as much as we can. There is a reason why we want 350...

 

[CaptainJackSparrow]

Go look at the first page for SU-30's RCS

How will you exploit the RCS without a good enough radar?

 

[MastanKhan]

how do you expect to shoot down 25-30 mki on day 1?



imagine even without the mki,
how do you think to take out IAF with its
1.MIG-29 upg
2.Mirage -2000
3.MIG-21 bison

and in near future
1.Rafale
2.Tejas

Hi,

One at a time---and sometimes two----. Would that be okay.

Don't worry---these will be taken out as well----I was just talking about the mindset---if it happened that way----period. Thank you.

 

[JonAsad]

How will you exploit the RCS without a good enough radar?

thus- a jet with such huge RCS cannot strike deep-
we have AWACS to compensate the lack in radar-

 

[acetophenol]

Hi,

In case of war---paf will be an offencive air force and will strike deep----. Paf never was and never will be a defencive air force regardless of what your country has---plain and simple as that.

They would rather die striking deep into enemy space rather than die in their own space----.

in case of PAF being an offensive force , PAF will have to counter the entire IAF+one of the largest SAM network in the world
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/160166-indias-surface-air-capability.html

 

[JonAsad]

tbh honest i dont think MKI's will ever cross the border-
the only indian jets we'll see falling down are- migs- mirages- and bisons-
the flagship fighters are usualy saved up for last desperate measures- the delima we were at in 71 with the star fighters-

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in case of PAF being an offensive force , PAF will have to counter the entire IAF+one of the largest SAM network in the world
http://www.defence.pk/forums/indian-defence/160166-indias-surface-air-capability.html

thats a nice thread you got there-

 

[Edevelop]

How will you exploit the RCS without a good enough radar?

So you think F-16s chasing SU-30 after Mumbai attacks was guess work??
To some extent, our radars failed against the U.S. However, i don't remember the same ones failing against India....
Once you violet our airspace, we always get ready to answer...
Again as i have mentioned earlier, we will increase JF-17 to 350. On top of that, our F-16s will go up to 100+
Don't forget the fact that JF-17 will have an AESA radar. This will boost our capability to strike.

If I am in PAF, i would first plan to wipe out all SU-30s in Indians bases as fast as i can, maybe good special aircrafts are needed for this i.e stealth....

 

[JonAsad]

plus in case of a war with Pakistan they cannot check china with bisons- and the risk of loosing MKI is too much-

 

[Skull and Bones]

tbh honest i dont think MKI's will ever cross the border-
the only indian jets we'll see falling down are- migs- mirages- and bisons-
the flagship fighters are usualy saved up for last desperate measures- the delima we were at in 71 with the star fighters.

Its more like leaving the work to be done by specialists. If Su-30MKI goes deep into Pakistani territory, SAM threat will be maximum than any other aircrafts, same thing applies for F-16s too, if it intrudes into Indian territory.

 

[acetophenol]

plus in case of a war they cannot check china with bisons-

how about you people checking USAF+its allies???

 

[Skull and Bones]

So you think F-16s chasing SU-30 after Mumbai attacks was guess work??
To some extent, our radars failed against the U.S. I don't remember the same ones failing against India....
Once you violet our airspace, we always get ready tp answer instantly...
Again as i have mentioned earlier, we will increase JF-17 to 350. On top of that, our F-16s will go up to 100+
Don't forget the fact that JF-17 will have an AESA radar. This will boost our capability to strike.

If I am in PAF, i would first plan to wipe out all SU-30s in Indians bases as fast as i can, maybe good special aircrafts are needed for this i.e stealth....

I've heard many members bringing up that incident, Any link supporting that claim?