How PAF Prevented an Israeli Attack on Pakistan's Nuclear Assets

[Green Arrow]

http://www.dawn.com/news/1195904

 

[DJ_Viper]

Please tell during which civilians government it occurred? Also tell me the end result... Oh massive imbalance you say... Please continue. I am sure Pakistan is on its knees to India due to the imbalance.

I have built a few rules in my life on how to deal with people and topics. I don't respond to emotional and upset people as logic can never win there and you end up wasting time. You are getting there so I'll try to respond one last time with just logic and will back off. You have a right to think how you do and I have a right to stick to the facts I know. We agree to disagree and that's fine

The Kashmir issue had gained traction with Benazir. But it didn't make a whole lot of progress in front of the Public due to the Military STILL involved with the country. She was scared and didn't want to get the military inside the power again.

Then, in Nawaz and company's previous time, twice, there were serious breakthroughs that would've come. But the military was in power and was running behind the scene military campaign to avoid making progress on Kashmir. Kargil was just one example. I can't write a book on here but there is a lot of detail on the topic that senior people on here would know also.

Let India purchase whatever it does. You do realize that Pakistan has the deterrence created by them due to those purchases. Regarding Kashmir, Pakistan does not even need to use its military. The oppression has caused local to rebel and security wise, Indian cannot control IOK... Maybe you need to live in the reality. I am well awake but I am not sure about you...

Everyone in the globe knows Pakistan has deterrence. My post didn't talk about that. My post specifically mentioned Pakistan has NO offensive capability anymore to claim "we'll take Kashmir by force". That sentence is dead and drowned deep inside the Indian ocean. That's just a reality.

Also, if the "deterrence" is SO strong, how come the Pak Military is in a panic mode over "arms race in South Asia"? . Like I said, macho statements are one thing, the ground realities are entirely different. You should try to meet with your Army Chief to understand the ground realities. He knows them very well.

We defended ourselves in 1965 when the odds were 5:1 or more. We can protect ourselves very well. Why should we go offensive?

Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.

 

[princefaisal]

For any future conflict/attack, Paf must be prepared to defend itself from the Israeli F-35s.

 

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I have built a few rules in my life on how to deal with people and topics. I don't respond to emotional and upset people as logic can never win there and you end up wasting time. You are getting there so I'll try to respond one last time with just logic and will back off. You have a right to think how you do and I have a right to stick to the facts I know. We agree to disagree and that's fine

The Kashmir issue had gained traction with Benazir. But it didn't make a whole lot of progress in front of the Public due to the Military STILL involved with the country. She was scared and didn't want to get the military inside the power again.

Then, in Nawaz and company's previous time, twice, there were serious breakthroughs that would've come. But the military was in power and was running behind the scene military campaign to avoid making progress on Kashmir. Kargil was just one example. I can't write a book on here but there is a lot of detail on the topic that senior people on here would know also.



Everyone in the globe knows Pakistan has deterrence. My post didn't talk about that. My post specifically mentioned Pakistan has NO offensive capability anymore to claim "we'll take Kashmir by force". That sentence is dead and drowned deep inside the Indian ocean. That's just a reality.

Also, if the "deterrence" is SO strong, how come the Pak Military is in a panic mode over "arms race in South Asia"? . Like I said, macho statements are one thing, the ground realities are entirely different. You should try to meet with your Army Chief to understand the ground realities. He knows them very well.



Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.

Even I do not tend to discuss with someone who has little information or false information.

Kashmir problem can never be solved diplomatically. The closest we got to solve it was not during a civilian government but during dictatorship I. E when Musharaf was in power.

https://www.google.com.pk/url?sa=t&...KAEwBA&usg=AFQjCNFZAR__QF79_g-C6uX1mSvMlO40-A

http://nation.com.pk/national/11-Ju...kashmir-issue-was-acceptable-former-raw-chief

He tried to solve it after the Kargil episode even the Indians acknowledge this. You do not know the history of Pakistan and just bash the dictatorship. Yes it is bad, but few decisions during them are significant.

Ironically, today the negotiations are stalled by the Indian side due to the Kashmir issue...
You know nothing about the Kashmir issue let alone Pakistan. One have to understand the background etc to get the grip around an event...

I will leave the Kashmir issue aside for now...

Regarding Military, we never wanted offensive capability. We always man tainted defensive offensive. If you believe India has diminished Pakistan capability relatively to its, you can not be more wrong.

And yes we are panicked form India ' s arm race.
We always mantained we do not want arm race. You are underestimating Pakistan and overestimating India.
You should go through the relative threads to know the Military capabilities of both the nations.

You think money is all that matters , Although It plays major role but we have same capabilities in a fraction of cost what others get.

BTW, let's discuss India and Pakistan in a new or the appropriate thread. We do not want to hijack this thread do we? Any more discussion relating this topic will not be on this thread or otherwise will be reported. ..

please tell me do you believe Israel planned such a attack on Pakistan nuclear installations?

 

[omega supremme]

Can somebody (especially Indian Military or Govt official) explain this **** why not Indian AF did Surgical strike after 26/11!

Indians are only good for propaganda and blaming every shortfalling in their defence or in the country over Pakistan but never took action after 2002 incident or mumbai attack only good for barking

 

[Azad-Kashmiri]

Why reopen a really old thread? People are harping about the 8xF16s not handed over. Compare the specs of those and the ZOPs F16i, F-15is, etc There is no comparison. We have outdated, junk, so the talk about doing, this and that, is insulting yourselves.

If the OP scenario ever took place, they will carry it through the next time. That time is not far.

I personally can't care less about our nukes. You people are ALWAYS talking about ''losing'' them, and Amrika is after them, etc. Don't you see the irony of it? A thing that is supposed to bring you security, you're hiding it like a crook, from one place to another so you don't lose it! This should OPEN your eyes that you have faith in the wrong thing!

 

[PDF]

So I guess no Israeli agree with OP here. The world of denial is not new to them. They are living in that world...

 

[Joe Shearer]

what are you doing ?
why are you opening up a thread 2 years old ?
that israeli dude has been opening old thread for a while. dont respond

Because after the Dhaka attacks, I got sick and tired of some of the classic repertory of fairy tales that got an airing.

So I guess no Israeli agree with OP here. The world of denial is not new to them. They are living in that world...

@Blue Marlin

See what I mean? If you agree, they were right all along. If you disagree, you are in a world of denial, and you live in that world.

 

[somebozo]

The difference between Saddam and Assad was that Saddam controlled a powerful and well equipped military, where as Assad did not. All Syria could ever do was make claims, if they tried to act upon them they would be crushed. Even if they made nukes they would still pose very little danger. Assad having nukes would just make it harder for Israel to meddle in Syrian affairs.

Assad military is very well equipped and very well trained too..they have militarily occupied Lebanon for twenty something years...he has been able to sustain the civil war for a few good years now..with the world on one side and Assad on the other..Syria financial history as world largest defaulter nation has a role to play in the deterioration of their military assets as even the closest ally Russia refused to sell...until very recently when aiding against ISIS became necessary...

 

[Joe Shearer]

I have built a few rules in my life on how to deal with people and topics. I don't respond to emotional and upset people as logic can never win there and you end up wasting time. You are getting there so I'll try to respond one last time with just logic and will back off. You have a right to think how you do and I have a right to stick to the facts I know. We agree to disagree and that's fine

The Kashmir issue had gained traction with Benazir. But it didn't make a whole lot of progress in front of the Public due to the Military STILL involved with the country. She was scared and didn't want to get the military inside the power again.

Then, in Nawaz and company's previous time, twice, there were serious breakthroughs that would've come. But the military was in power and was running behind the scene military campaign to avoid making progress on Kashmir. Kargil was just one example. I can't write a book on here but there is a lot of detail on the topic that senior people on here would know also.



Everyone in the globe knows Pakistan has deterrence. My post didn't talk about that. My post specifically mentioned Pakistan has NO offensive capability anymore to claim "we'll take Kashmir by force". That sentence is dead and drowned deep inside the Indian ocean. That's just a reality.

Also, if the "deterrence" is SO strong, how come the Pak Military is in a panic mode over "arms race in South Asia"? . Like I said, macho statements are one thing, the ground realities are entirely different. You should try to meet with your Army Chief to understand the ground realities. He knows them very well.



Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.

It is true.

There is simply no point in arguing with the emotionally involved.

 

[Natan]

The difference between Saddam and Assad was that Saddam controlled a powerful and well equipped military, where as Assad did not. All Syria could ever do was make claims, if they tried to act upon them they would be crushed. Even if they made nukes they would still pose very little danger.

Israel couldn't see the difference then, and I still can't see it now.

I hope it answers your curiosity.

 

[sohail.ishaque]

Scary....Can somebody explain to me what was the wrath of God that would have been unleashed on India by the PAF ?

ur primeminister of that time was aware of that wrath,.. and that scared her,.. u better ask what it was that scared her

 

[Max Pain]

Till around1995, Pakistan air-force and the military were always considered to have much better equipment than the Indian side. Plus, the numbers weren't that different economically. Today, the IA/IAF is much superior in numerical and technological advantage. Plus their training has jumped up a LOT. If I wrote some of the military offensive scenarios on here that may be used by India, you will not be happy and I might get banned. So I'll leave it at that.

please do.

 

[Zain Malik]

Absolute non sense, this article has been circulated through out various blogs, we Pakistanis love to believe in conspiracy theories. Israel has nothing to with Pakistan, last time any Israeli leader mentioned Pakistan it was Shimon Peres who prayed for Musharaf. Infact, in 2010 Israelis offered Pakistan to sell their guided munitions for PAF for war on terror, an offer which was rejected by PAF. This was stated by Pakistan Air chief in a speech. Recently Pakistan Airforce also bought aircraft refueling trucks from Israel indirectly through Turkey.

I am still wondering how senior and respected members on this forum like "WindJammer" are agreeing with this delusional article.

Truth always tastes bitter my friend....
Reality is reality whether u accept or not.

When Israel Air force landed its F-16 to lAB the then president ZiaulHaq visited India as there was a cricket match between Pakistan and India in year 1984.
He was sittind alongside the Indian pm and he said to Indian pm:
"Stop what u are doing to destroy our nuclear assets .There are many Muslims and Muslim countries in world except Pakistan but Hindu are only in India. We have successfully tested our Nuclear Assets but not yet have declared to the world u better stop this otherwise you will yourself responsible for your destruction"
Since then Israel backed up and didn't dared again .

 

[Drashid]

Israel couldn't see the difference then, and I still can't see it now.

I hope it answers your curiosity.

If Israel can't see the difference, then it seems to me like its a bit of a bully nation.