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How PAF Prevented an Israeli Attack on Pakistan's Nuclear Assets

I am not your bhai and neither am I shooting anyone.

If posting an article is a "silly mistake", then what would you call your "filthy language", which I am sure you would be proud of.

I wonder why such a well known forum accepts such members who do even know how to talk decently.

Read it before posting

It is Pakistani habit to constantly post rubbish and rumors as long as they satisfy Islamist birdies.

Oh and back to the topic

you haven't answered my question on #341
 
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So you buy into this rumor that Pakistani ground staff could not ID their own forking F-16?

Do you?

I don't care about one such "rumour" or maybe slight altercation by the writer....

The atomic energy ground staff may not have been trained to "identify" low flying supersonic fighter aircraft at dawn with low visibility.

It was a mistake by maybe one odd person who may have never seen an F-16, otherwise they would have shot down the aircraft if they were sure.
 
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You have no Idea of Israeli Zionists my friend. I recommend you to research and then comment.. Do you know there history and their previous strategies to dominate the major geographical areas ? Mentioning the name doesn't mean they don't have any issues with us. RESEARCH !
 
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I don't care about one such "rumour" or maybe slight altercation by the writer....

The atomic energy ground staff may not have been trained to "identify" low flying supersonic fighter aircraft at dawn with low visibility.

It was a mistake by maybe one odd person who may have never seen an F-16, otherwise they would have shot down the aircraft if they were sure.


Hi,

It is difficult to recognize this small and fast moving aircraft under any circumstances---and if it is at dawn and low visibility---makes it extremely difficult to say who's aircraft it is---.
 
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Hi,

It is difficult to recognize this small and fast moving aircraft under any circumstances---and if it is at dawn and low visibility---makes it extremely difficult to say who's aircraft it is---.
A quote by an F-16 pilot was that this small profile fighter is so fast and its attack so sudden that by the time you know it... its too late
 
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The off-topic squabble from both the sides is extremely appalling. Indian members trying to score points of tragedies caused by drones and pakistani members responding by mocking mumbai attacks.... I wish if both sides could ever came in contact with a victim from the other side, and look them in the eye and say the crap they are saying here....
 
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How safe are Pakistan`s nuclear assets

INDIA`S explosion of its nuclear device in 1974 drew only a customary “show of concern” from the western powers. But Pakistan`s nuclear programmeme, initiated in response to the Indian acquisition of nuclear weapons, evoked immediate and “serious concern” from the same quarters. Ever since, Pakistan has been under immense pressure to scrap its programm while the Indians remain uncensored.

That western attitude was discriminatory can also be seen by the religious colour it gave to Pakistan`s bomb by calling it an `Islamic bomb`. One has never heard of the Israeli bomb being called a `Jewish Bomb`, or the Indian bomb a `Hindu Bomb`, or the American and British bomb a `Christian Bomb` or the Soviet bomb a `Communist` (or an `Atheist) Bomb`. The West simply used Pakistan`s bomb to make Islam synonymous with aggression and make its nuclear programme a legitimate target, knowing full well that it merely served a defensive purpose and was not even remotely associated with Islam.

With India going nuclear soon after playing a crucial role in dismembering Pakistan in 1971 and enjoying an overwhelming conventional military superiority over Pakistan in the ratio of 41, a resource strapped Pakistan was pushed to the wall. Left with no other choice but to develop a nuclear deterrent to ward off future Indian threats, Prime Minister Zulfikar Ali Bhutto declared “Pakistanis will eat grass but make a nuclear bomb”. And sure enough, they did it. Soon, however, both he and the nuclear programme were to become non-grata. Amid intense pressure, sanctions and vilification campaign, Henry Kissinger personally delivered to a defiant Bhutto the American threat “give up your nuclear programme or else we will make a horrible example of you`.

And a horrible example was made of Bhutto for his defiance. But he had enabled Pakistan to become the 7th nuclear power in the world. This served Pakistan well. India was kept at bay despite temptations for military adventurism. Although there has never been real peace in South Asia, at least there has been no war since 1971.

Ignoring its security perspective, Pakistan`s western `friends` refused to admit it to their exclusive nuclear club, though expediency made them ignore its `crime` when it suited their purpose. But driven by identical geo-strategic interests in their respective regions and seeing Pakistan as an obstacle to their designs, Israel and India missed no opportunity to malign or subvert Pakistan`s programme.

Due to its defiance of Indian diktat, Pakistan is for India an obstruction in its quest for domination of South Asia and the Indian Ocean region. Israel`s apprehension of Pakistan`s military prowess is rooted in the strength Pakistan indirectly provides to Arab states with whom Israel has remained in a state of conflict. Conscious that several Arab states look up to Pakistan for military support in the event of threat to their security from Israel, it is unsettling for Israel to see a nuclear armed Pakistan.

Israel can also not overlook the fact that Pakistan`s military is a match to its own. The PAF pilots surprised Israeli Air Force, when flying mostly Russian aircraft they shot down several relatively superior Israeli aircraft in air combat in the 1973 Arab-Israel war, shattering the invincibility myth of Israeli pilots who believed themselves to be too superior in skill and technology. The Pakistanis happened to be assigned to Jordanian, Syrian and Iraqi air forces on training missions when the war broke out and, unknown to the Israelis then, they incognito undertook combat missions.

After successfully destroying Iraqi nuclear reactor in 1981, Israelis planned a similar attack on Pakistan`s nuclear facilities at Kahuta in collusion with India in the 1980s. Using satellite pictures and intelligence information, Israel reportedly built a full-scale mock-up of Kahuta facility in the Negev Desert where pilots of F-16 and F-15 squadrons practised mock attacks.

According to `The Asian Age`, journalists Adrian Levy and Catherine Scott-Clark stated in their book `Deception Pakistan, the US and the Global Weapons Conspiracy`, that Israeli Air Force was to launch an air attack on Kahuta in mid-1980s from Jamnagar airfield in Gujarat (India). The book claims that “in March 1984, Prime Minister Indira Gandhi signed off (on) the Israeli-led operation bringing India, Pakistan and Israel to within a hair`s breadth of a nuclear conflagration”.

Another report claims that Israel also planned an air strike directly out of Israel. After midway and midair refueling, Israeli warplanes planned to shoot down a commercial airline`s flight over Indian Ocean that flew into Islamabad early morning, fly in a tight formation to appear as one large aircraft on radar screens preventing detection, use the drowned airliner`s call sign to enter Islamabad`s air space, knock out Kahuta and fly out to Jammu to refuel and exit.

According to reliable reports in mid-1980s this mission was actually launched one night. But the Israelis were in for a big surprise. They discovered that Pakistan Air Force had already sounded an alert and had taken to the skies in anticipation of this attack. The mission had to be hurriedly aborted.

Pakistan reminded the Israelis that Pakistan was no Iraq and that PAF was no Iraqi Air Force. Pakistan is reported to have conveyed that an attack on Kahuta would force Pakistan to lay waste to Dimona, Israel`s nuclear reactor in the Negev Desert. India was also warned that Islamabad would attack Trombay if Kahuta facilities were hit.

The above quoted book claims that “Prime Minister Indira Gandhi eventually aborted the operation despite protests from military planners in New Delhi and Jerusalem.”

McNair`s paper #41 published by USAF Air University (India Thwarts Israeli Destruction of Pakistans “Islamic Bomb”) also confirmed this plan. It said, “Israeli interest in destroying Pakistan`s Kahuta reactor to scuttle the “Islamic bomb” was blocked by Indias refusal to grant landing and refueling rights to Israeli warplanes in 1982.” Clearly India wanted to see Kahuta gone but did not want to face retaliation at the hands of the PAF. Israel, on its part wanted this to be a joint Indo-Israeli strike to avoid being solely held responsible.

The Reagan administration also hesitated to support the plan because Pakistan`s distraction at that juncture would have hurt American interests in Afghanistan, when Pakistan was steering the Afghan resistance against the Soviets.

Although plans to hit Kahuta were shelved, the diatribe against Pakistan`s nuclear programme continued unabated. Israel used its control over the American political establishment and western media to create hysteria. India worked extensively to promote paranoia, branding Pakistan`s programme as unsafe, insecure and a threat to peace. The fact is otherwise. It is technically sounder, safer and more secure than that of India and has ensured absence of war in the region.


The US invasion of Afghanistan provided another opening for Indo-Israeli nexus to target Pakistan`s strategic assets. This time the strategy was to present Pakistan as an unstable state, incapable of defending itself against religious extremist insurgents, creating the spectre of Islamabad and its nuclear assets falling in their hands. Suggestions are being floated that Pakistan being at risk of succumbing to extremists, its nuclear assets should be disabled, seized or forcibly taken out by the US. Alternatively, an international agency should take them over for safe keeping.

Pakistan has determinedly thwarted the terrorist threat and foiled this grand conspiracy. Pakistan has made it clear that it would act decisively against any attempt by any quarter to harm its nuclear assets. But if the game is taken to the next level, the consequences would be disastrous for the region.

The Indo-Israeli nexus is losing initiative. But as long as the American umbrella is available Afghanistan will remain a playground for mischief mongers. It is now up to the US to walk its talk and prove its claim that it wants to see a secure and stable Pakistan. It must pull the plug on conspiracies to destabilize Pakistan.


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Why must you continue to swallow such fairy-tales?

Absolute non sense, this article has been circulated through out various blogs, we Pakistanis love to believe in conspiracy theories. Israel has nothing to with Pakistan, last time any Israeli leader mentioned Pakistan it was Shimon Peres who prayed for Musharaf. Infact, in 2010 Israelis offered Pakistan to sell their guided munitions for PAF for war on terror, an offer which was rejected by PAF. This was stated by Pakistan Air chief in a speech. Recently Pakistan Airforce also bought aircraft refueling trucks from Israel indirectly through Turkey.

I am still wondering how senior and respected members on this forum like "WindJammer" are agreeing with this delusional article.

@MadDog I am still wondering how long some of your senior and respected members will continue to revel in the use of these two adjectives. He has done enough damage already.

Can somebody (especially Indian Military or Govt official) explain this **** why not Indian AF did Surgical strike after 26/11!

It was never on the cards. It is a figment of the Pakistani romance with Pakistan that the redoubtable PAF forestalled any surgical strikes. There were never plans for any surgical strikes.

Pakistan's Ambassador to the US clearly mentioned, addressing to the UN, that Pakistan would lay waste to India's nuclear facilities and Israel's Nuclear facilities in Negev desert. After this, India backed out hence the attack never took place.

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This article talks about the initial plan to attack Kahuta in 1980s, but failed to point at even stronger attack in 1998. It was way stronger and large on scale, with India again joining hands. All PAF fighters were in air, Mirage, F-7P, J-6 and F-16s. Every Squadron and every Air base was active 24/7 since the intelligence reports from ISI and intercepts from PAF Air Defence systems of unusual aircraft movement across border with confirmed sighting of atleast one F-16.

The C-130s that were to transport the parts and other goods related to the project were always escorted by 4 F-16s throughout journey and other areas being controlled by CAPs. There were 'secret' instructions issued to the pilots of those 4 F-16s, that if the C-130 makes any unusual move, you are cleared to shoot it down. There is information available on deployment of AAA units, SAM units, CAP and ADA Squadrons and the number of sorties flown with everything you need to know to get idea of the hustle.

And what were the IrAF and the IAF supposed to be doing during this derring-do? Practising their seamanship?

Regarding the evidence, nobody has any doubt that Pakistan pressed the panic button, several times, during the 80s and the 90s. There is surely a huge body of evidence on that front. However, there is not a shred of evidence about any conspiracy, then or later, between India and Israel.

Just the kind of thing that testosterone-rich freshers would come out with. Not surprising that it is therefore part of the fanzone lore.


All this paper said was that India refused to help any such effort.

The rest is a fairy tale.
 
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PAF is quite excellent and efficient in stopping imaginary attacks on Pakistan ! but when a real drone arrives .. its tail starts wagging !
 
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Dont live in state of denial.

And that was the detailed explanation. Reads just as weird today as it did then.

I read somewhere that the F-16 was our own, spotted in Baluchistan, and mistaken to be an Israeli one because of some issues with identification.
But the event was negatively exaggerated I guess.

Most likely explanation. But obviously not one to satisfy the Zaid Hamids and the Windjammers.

Some sources say that sometime before the explosion, F-16(s) was spotted and it was thought that Israeli F-16 made it past PAF defences and have arrived to do the job. I personally don't believe this to be true, neither can confirm it.

But there were Israeli F-16s operating from India, and the time of the explosion, there was atleast one F-16 which was flying near the border for data capturing, according to PAF Air Defence radars.

Nobody that I know, and I know pretty senior people, ever mentioned any foreign war plane being allowed to operate in Indian airspace. Those who are aware of the implications might remember that the post-26/11 permission given to American planes to refuel in India caused a muted sensation in India.

This is Kahuta, where the Kahuta Research Laboratories are based.

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They were the first Nuclear research labs, and were the target from Indo-Israel attack in 1980s.

The ones that never happened? The ones that only the defender knew about?
 
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Ok let alone Indian nuclear facilities. But Israeli Negev facility. Seriously ? Did PAF have the capability to carry out such a strike 6000 kms away without refuellers at that time ?
Which point of India or Israel is 6000 km away from Pakistan closest border.....Do you know you know the damn concept of a map...Like Google maps etc? p
Furthermore, did they even tell how they will do it...Did he mention there will be direct flight of F-16s from Pakistan to Israel Dymona plant?. We have friendly nations and actually PAF had been operating from airbases just a stone throw away from Israel in 1970-80s
 
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