How PAF Prevented an Israeli Attack on Pakistan's Nuclear Assets

[acid rain]

thats valid point my dear

we being us are so typical
either sides are compelled to rubbish what the other says. the premise of this Kahuta story is that the place has been on high alert since the Israelis made it known that they wanted to take the facility out and naturally would have sought any willing hosts who shared the hostilities towards Pakistan. no amount of convincing is going to help if some of us decide to reject it.

I have lived that time there and just shared my personal experience due to the military family background I have. now if someone decides to rubbish it and relate it to their usual fire alarm drill then there is no point in wasting time there. security and defence is serious business its not about bed time stories. there are many wars that are fought without firing a shot I am sure genius like yourself would know that the nature and scope of war is beyond the conventional violence we see.

Pakistan may have been alert for such a possibility and might have rehearsed all scenarios - but the part where someone suggests that actual Israeli planes were located in India and were flying over our border is so preposterous that it has to be rejected by Indians.

What would have happened is Israel might have looked into such an option to which India would have out rightly refused - there ends the story. India ended it before it even started. India's stand has been no foreign troops on Indian soil which holds true even now.

What we would like you guys to do is come up with some sort of evidence to prove your assertions that Israel actually brought and deployed their aircraft on Indian soil, because such claims only come from Pakistani sources which is not corroborated by any other country like any other 1000's of actual events or incidences that have actually happened and all sources have a different take on it and have their own versions - but all sources yours and ours at least point to the incidence's and events actually happening.

Which leads us to believe that this Israeli deployment in India that your sources claim is pure imagination.

 

[500]

Good to have the Israeli Deference minister on our humble forum
Well you know as a mater of fact that we the "commoners" are only making conspiracy theories

First of all there is absolutely no any evidence for these silly conspiracy.

Secondly story is silly on so many levels:

* Attack from India - did they bother to check the fact that Israel and India had not even diplomatic relationships back to then? And that the arrival of Israel squadron is more than problematic (between Israel and India there are 5 hostile countries and virtually impossible to hide?)
* Direct attack from Israel - did they even bother to check the range?
* Israeli fighters shooting down a civilian airliner to pose as it. Gosh that beyond stupid.
* Mock up natural size facility built in Israel. What for? - Never we did anything stupid like that.

Quite obviously article was written by some retarded kid who read too much of Tom Clancy.

 

[acid rain]

First of all there is absolutely no any evidence for these silly conspiracy.

Secondly story is silly on so many levels:

* Attack from India - did they bother to check the fact that Israel and India had not even diplomatic relationships back to then? And that the arrival of Israel squadron is more than problematic (between Israel and India there are 5 hostile countries and virtually impossible to hide?)
* Direct attack from Israel - did they even bother to check the range?
* Israeli fighters shooting down a civilian airliner to pose as it. Gosh that beyond stupid.
* Mock up natural size facility built in Israel. What for? - Never we did anything stupid like that.

Quite obviously article was written by some retarded kid who read too much of Tom Clancy.

At best this story is by a person having a fertile imagination gone overboard. PAF might have rehearsed and deployed but that doesn't mean that such an attack was even on the cards.

 

[Hyperion]

First of all there is absolutely no any evidence for these silly conspiracy.

Secondly story is silly on so many levels:

* Attack from India - did they bother to check the fact that Israel and India had not even diplomatic relationships back to then? And that the arrival of Israel squadron is more than problematic (between Israel and India there are 5 hostile countries and virtually impossible to hide?)
* Direct attack from Israel - did they even bother to check the range?
* Israeli fighters shooting down a civilian airliner to pose as it. Gosh that beyond stupid.
* Mock up natural size facility built in Israel. What for? - Never we did anything stupid like that.

Quite obviously article was written by some retarded kid who read too much of Tom Clancy.

Most are just silly stories. The presence of Israeli squadron in India for the stated purpose is true. Direct attack from Israel via the Western and South Western corridor is what was actually happening.

Regarding shooting down of an airliner, the guy who mentioned it must be on some funny stuff.

 

[acid rain]

Most are just silly stories. The presence of Israeli squadron in India for the stated purpose is true. Direct attack from Israel via the Western and South Western corridor is what was actually happening.

Regarding shooting down of an airliner, the guy who mentioned it must be on some funny stuff.

How can you say that it's true? the whole thing looks like an extension of the funny stuff.

 

[Hyperion]

It is true because I say so. And...?

How can you say that it's true? the whole thing looks like an extension of the funny stuff.

 

[acid rain]

It is true because I say so. And...?

ok, that's proof enough.

 

[Hyperion]

See, I knew that you had the requisite grey matter to comprehend stuff. You were just looking for a straightforward reply, weren't you?

ok, that's proof enough.

 

[acid rain]

See, I knew that you had the requisite grey matter to comprehend stuff. You were just looking for a straightforward reply, weren't you?

Dude you are a sane guy - which is a rarity on this forum, so I accept your words to be true

 

[Hyperion]

I was there. Is that enough?

Dude you are a sane guy - which is a rarity on this forum, so I accept your words to be true

 

[acid rain]

I was there. Is that enough?

got it.

 

[Irfan Baloch]

Pakistan may have been alert for such a possibility and might have rehearsed all scenarios - but the part where someone suggests that actual Israeli planes were located in India and were flying over our border is so preposterous that it has to be rejected by Indians.

What would have happened is Israel might have looked into such an option to which India would have out rightly refused - there ends the story. India ended it before it even started. India's stand has been no foreign troops on Indian soil which holds true even now.

What we would like you guys to do is come up with some sort of evidence to prove your assertions that Israel actually brought and deployed their aircraft on Indian soil, because such claims only come from Pakistani sources which is not corroborated by any other country like any other 1000's of actual events or incidences that have actually happened and all sources have a different take on it and have their own versions - but all sources yours and ours at least point to the incidence's and events actually happening.

Which leads us to believe that this Israeli deployment in India that your sources claim is pure imagination.

thanks my dear,
regarding the acceptable proof for India I dont think there is any need
the only option I guess is to take it to International court and prove it with our evidence and India or Israel decide to present themselves. would they really?

it is understandable that you wont accept anything short of a "confession" by ex Israeli or Indian air chief or some security expert giving an interview with some pictures and maps etc. even if that happens then any patriot Indian will quickly rubbish it

behind the scenes a lot of things happen which are stranger than fiction. you and I choose to accept them according to our our prejudices and nationalities (nothing wrong with that and dont feel compelled about it)

my knowledge base on this subject is personal and direct not based on some half arsed analyst in America who knows as much about Pakistan as much as his chair which he graces with his behind. I have lived and visited and travelled in the mountains of Kahuta and Kashmir. and I have lived long enough to know when it was not the drill. like I mentioned earlier, as it happens I have a military family background and I have learned the details about the time of the planned attacks

cheers--

 

[Windjammer]

By the same Token all Pakistanis should do a better job of not nurturing terrorists on their soil or quit throwing hissy fits on being called terrorists.

Reading all the highlighted parts, why does the Indian scum Sarbjit comes to mind.... or may be nothing of the kind can originate from the snow white kingdom you prefer to call India.

Since terrorists dont exactly fly skull and bones flags on their vessels and hide as Pakistani civilians, it would be better for Pakistanis not to come near Indian borders or risk being shot down.
I mean for all we know that PAF 'civilian' plane was carrying terrorists on board. Hard to differentiate then as you well know.

Boards don't hit back but bullets kill as for the rest of banter.....a picture equals thousand words.

 

[Last Hope]

my father is a gunner and he has told me the same story. exactly.. how SSG used the cotton bags to throw over the sides of the walls to cushion their fall and they took over the premises. he was a battery commander then and experienced the red alerts himself.

Irfan Bhai,

Thank you for your input and welcome back. Been longing to see you for quite time now and you have been away from the place I'm supposed to find you when you're gone.

If you ever talked to any senior officer, who was holding this position in 1998, you would know about hassle created and the quick decisions they had to take in no time which worried them a lot. They did not even trust the batman or workers of the mess and things circulated in the top brass itself, keeping an ear open towards border, other on the talks between juniors, an eye on ADA and other on watch expecting anything to happen anytime. even the bark of the dogs or call at unsual time would make them shiver that 'it happened'.

It was crucial time, one wrong move and decades of work vanished, all hopes of rising shattered. The way Pakistan dealt with this situation is unbelievable. Everyone had their own duties, where they gave output of 150% instead of usual 110% but the role I believe to be most laudable is that of PAF's. Their backup 'totkay' were weird yet good.

They had all aircraft in air, F-16s flew with avionics, radar and communication system off maintaining radio silence. They neither received neither transmitted any signals and used paper maps. After the F-16s took off from one base, everyone at ground held their breaths till they transmitted back from destination (escorting C-130s with detonators) and the Commanders could finally give sign of relief. Anything could have happened between take off and landing, and they would not have known what, where or when.

It's surprising that we survived this situation, without HIS help, we would have been nothing.

 

[acid rain]

thanks my dear,
regarding the acceptable proof for India I dont think there is any need
the only option I guess is to take it to International court and prove it with our evidence and India or Israel decide to present themselves. would they really?

it is understandable that you wont accept anything short of a "confession" by ex Israeli or Indian air chief or some security expert giving an interview with some pictures and maps etc. even if that happens then any patriot Indian will quickly rubbish it

behind the scenes a lot of things happen which are stranger than fiction. you and I choose to accept them according to our our prejudices and nationalities (nothing wrong with that and dont feel compelled about it)

my knowledge base on this subject is personal and direct not based on some half arsed analyst in America who knows as much about Pakistan as much as his chair which he graces with his behind. I have lived and visited and travelled in the mountains of Kahuta and Kashmir. and I have lived long enough to know when it was not the drill. like I mentioned earlier, as it happens I have a military family background and I have learned the details about the time of the planned attacks

cheers--

Most incidents are corroborated on both sides even though the versions might differ but there is general consensus to the happening. This assertion of Israel air force parking their planes in an Indian base is no where mentioned and going by the huge and sometimes crazy media and the thousands of experts on our side, such an incident has never been mentioned even vaguely and don't think the Indian authorities have a handle on every mouth piece in India, If one presumes that this exposure might harm India or Israel's image it must be noted that many more details which are more damaging to India's image has been routinely exposed or been discussed in our media or by experts.

All I am asking is even a half baked corroborative proof to this preposterous notion, even a mention of this from any of your allies or from those that are vehemently against India or Israel will do. This is purely from an Indian's perspective on this story which we find hard to believe - what you say from personal or other experiences is not enough for us and yes you don't have to prove it to us - but then this is not the truth as far as the other parties involved here goes hope you guys can accept that too.

And, in the event that such a thing happened, why wasn't it taken to the international stage by Pakistan?