How not to hold India-Pakistan talks

[Spectre]

It is a soft coup. NS simply has no space to work things out with India. This is the clearest evidence of that.

Absolutely correct. Atleast that seems to be the understanding from the sequence of events which unfolded since UFA.

Could be a good cop/bad cop routine to embarrass India but that doesn't make sense.

 

[nForce]

We are perfectly fine when there is no terror attack in India from that side and even if happen, appropriate answer is given so that there is less chance of next terror attack.

So you mean you want to give in to the tactics of either Kashmir or terrorism ? Let us say we hand over Kashmir on a platter. What makes you think that tomorrow there will not be same situation in, say, Gujarat?

 

[Bang Galore]

Do you really think these stuff would not have happened or tried? PA will not let anything happen something which going to endanger its control over Pakistan politics.

Doesn't matter whether they have been tried. Any problem there will largely be in the shadows & not be a media spectacle.

I never said that those kind of back channel negotiations will necessarily work, just that the fallout of any failure won't be radioactive

Could be a good cop/bad cop routine to embarrass India but that doesn't make sense.

I actually mentioned that possibility in one of my posts a few weeks ago but as you point out, this kind of extreme positioning does not make any sense since it will be counterproductive and damage any dialogue.

 

[OrionHunter]

Pakistan should not have done this grandstanding on the Hurriyat, it guarantees that there are no talks on Kashmir because there will be no progress.

They had to do it in the hope that India would cancel the talks as they didn't want to face the embarrassment of being shown the riot act during the NSA talks. The Gurdaspur and Udhampur terror attacks for example as well as the voice samples of terrorist Lakhvi.

Nowhere in the Ufa statement was Kashmir mentioned as these talks by the security advisers on both sides were to discuss only security related issues, meaning terrorism. They did not have a mandate to discuss Kashmir as that is the prerogative of the foreign secretaries and above which would have come at a later stage.

The Pakistanis should be aware that the UN has removed the Kashmir issue from their list of unresolved disputes in 2010!! So where the UN is concerned, Kashmir is a non issue! The sooner the Pakistanis realize this the better. It is dead as a dodo! Period!

 

[Vyom]

Doesn't matter whether they have been tried. Any problem there will largely be in the shadows & not be a media spectacle.
I never said that those kind of back channel negotiations will necessarily work, just that the fallout of any failure won't be radioactive
I actually mentioned that possibility in one of my posts a few weeks ago but as you point out, this kind of extreme positioning does not make any sense since it will be counterproductive and damage any dialogue.

very Channel of talk will have no fore bearing vis-a-vis Pakistan's stand. Not now, not ever. The army isn't the only problem the civilians are too a part of it. there isn't much difference in their India centric view. Pakistan foundation is based on the two nation theory, Pakistan will always resist the rising economy nag global clout of India, Indian rise is existential threat to Pakistan, and that threat is embedded in the Pakistani fabric. The way you see Pakistani civilians on this forum belittling any Indian achievement, even though they don't have anything comparable, (To be fair fellow Indians are loud mouths too) and this is not limited to this forum only. Forget their problems they will always be belligerent. there is no way to deal with Pakistan. They don't even provide us with transit route to Afghanistan. they opposed the SAARC connectivity deal becasue of this. There is no solution to the Problem, and yes Pakistan's belligerence w.r.t. to India has always increased when civilians were in power. So Army or Civilians hardly a difference.

 

[unbiasedopinion]

So you mean you want to give in to the tactics of either Kashmir or terrorism ? Let us say we hand over Kashmir on a platter. What makes you think that tomorrow there will not be same situation in, say, Gujarat?

I never said something like that and i know what is there in the minds of Pakistanis.. kashmir is just a jumping stone for them..even if it is resolved, they will start claiming for plight of muslims, hyderabad, etc etc..What I am saying why to even have these talks when it is not in interest of India....why to give space to pakistan army to gain control over the civilian government and pass irrational statements in media. Have these discussions only when India has anything to gain from these.. Why we are giving launching pads for hurriyat and pak meeting? why we are giving them political mileage in media and legititating them as true representatives of kashmir's issue. We know they are not but still the message pakistan is trying to give to all is they are...

so , lets not do it till the fire is breathing at the borders, checkpost, in own towns by bomb blasts, firing , terrorists etc.

 

[!eon]

I don't know about your govt. But ours is doing what is expected by us. We are already in our comfort zone.

Time passing is from both sides, and you will see this session is not different from any previous one. Though you can dream what ever you what.
Actually, Issue is only and only Kashmir. There is no other problem between India and Pakistan. That will remain in its current condition. That's why I am saying time passing.

 

[RazorMC]

How will the talks continue if India wants to fix the entire focus on whatever it wants?

You can't hold talks and not listen to the other side.

 

[nForce]

Time passing is from both sides, and you will see this session is not different from any previous one. Though you can dream what ever you what.
Actually, Issue is only and only Kashmir. There is no other problem between India and Pakistan. That will remain in its current condition. That's why I am saying time passing.

It is time-pass indeed. I agree with you on that.
Basically Indian govt. is in no hurry to talk to the Pakistani counterpart on Kashmir.
We all know what the Pakistani demand is, that is, give Kashmir to us on a platter. Who will agree to that ?

 

[nair]

I love the Title...... And This is exactly How a dialogue should not be held.....

 

[nForce]

How will the talks continue if India wants to fix the entire focus on whatever it wants?

What do you mean by 'whatever' ?

You can't hold talks and not listen to the other side.

Talks have not happened yet and you are already assuming things ?

 

[!eon]

It is time-pass indeed. I agree with you on that.
Basically Indian govt. is in no hurry to talk to the Pakistani counterpart on Kashmir.
We all know what the Pakistani demand is, that is, give Kashmir to us on a platter. Who will agree to that ?

And who is going to agree on Indian point ? so keep the time rolling, round and round.

 

[Rafael]

The biggest threat to peace between India and Pakistan is sensationalist Indian media!

It does not wants to India to have peace with Pakistan because who will watch their silly commentary then.

Mark my words, there will never be peace with India as long as their media keeps acting like immature kid.

 

[RazorMC]

What do you mean by 'whatever' ?

Talks have not happened yet and you are already assuming things ?

Points of discussion are exchanged before the meeting.

Apparently, India is not happy discussing Kashmir

 

[nair]

The biggest threat to peace between India and Pakistan is sensationalist Indian media!

It does not wants to India to have peace with Pakistan because who will watch their silly commentary then.

Mark my words, there will never be peace with India as long as their media keeps acting like immature kid.

I agree part of our media act like an Immature kid, but then attributing the failure of peace between us on Indian media will be as stupid as it can get...... The change in Indian media is very recent..... (may be with the surge in 24/7 channels and their quest for TRP) We have been fighting with each other ever sinse 1947...... Let us not forget there are agencies who does the part of Indian media in Pakistan.....