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Negotiations between significant neighbours can't be held like a T20 cricket match with a strategic timeout.

Shekhar Gupta


It is among the oldest rules of diplomacy that negotiations, particularly at higher levels, must be kept at a low key, even boring, level, unless you reach one of two situations: an agreement or a breakdown. Or, when you specifically wish to make a point. Negotiations between significant neighbours can't be held like a T20 cricket match with a strategic timeout, which is where the NSA-level talks between India and Pakistan are tonight.


Before each makes further moves tomorrow, three points they will need to think about:


1. What is this round of talks about? Is it to resolve all, or even one, of our outstanding issues?


2. Is it about calming down relations or merely restating our respective positions on these issues, including terrorism and Kashmir?


3. Is it about merely restoring a broken political contact or petty point-scoring?


If looked at calmly, each side will have the same answers to these questions.


1. These talks are not to resolve anything, possibly no more than yet another fishermen exchange kind of thing.


2. These are, indeed, about calming things down between India and Pakistan. Or, at least beginning the process of calming things down.


3. It can't be about petty point-scoring. That India and Pakistan can do any time anyway. Both prime ministers did not run into each other by coincidence. Both wanted to restore contact. Which is what this round of talks is about.


With such minimalistic expectations, it is silly in the extreme that both sides have reduced this to an unedifying state of waffling and name-calling.


Pakistan was being, well, Pakistan when it brought back the Hurriyat card again. There could no motivation behind this except to embarrass the government of India, given the recent history of the cancellation of foreign secretary-level talks precisely for this reason. Petty elements in the Pakistani establishment looked for a chance to score a point.


On the Indian side, having taken the lead to resume talks, the return of the Hurriyat irritant should have been anticipated and a response gamed accordingly. A firm diplomatic message should have been sent to Pakistan. And if it wasn't heeded - as was likely - a proper party line should have been finessed by diplomats. Instead, it's now been left to party spokesmen who are fighting the same old verbal battles with Pakistani talking heads.


In the process, the environment is being vitiated on both sides.


For Pakistan, India's sensitivity on the Hurriyat is well-known. If the Pakistani establishment did not have the courage or willingness to defy the entrenched lobbies that want to drag Kashmir into everything, frankly, they should not have agreed to these talks in the first place. But having agreed, they should have weighed the costs of bringing in the Hurriyat factor.


The Hurriyat never represented the Kashmiri point of view by itself. It was, at best, one strong point of view. Now even that is not the case. It is a caricature of the political force it used to be. Most of its members are seen as compromised, good-time guys monetising their politics on either side. Revelations in the recent Dulat book have done further damage to them.


It is tragic Pakistan still finds it worth its while to risk ruining a contact restored after more than a year for their sake. It is equally disappointing India is not willing to laugh it away, saying something like, anybody who has a visa to come to India can meet any Indian citizen. But then, you have to answer prime-time inquisitions.


Governments can't function like that. Both India and Pakistan have upwards of a hundred nuclear weapons. India is the fourth largest armed machine in the world, Pakistan the fifth or sixth, depending on how you calculate. All states antagonistic to each other keep active contact with each other. It is not only to their own respective benefit, but also an international responsibility in a globalised environment.


But these couple of days have shown it is not realistic to expect such maturity from either side. We can keep debating who is right or wrong or who is more wrong, but it will have no meaning.


As Prime Minister Narendra Modi says, all issues are ultimately settled with talks. So talks must go on. But given the kind of juvenility in our public debate, it is better that henceforth these talks continue away from cameras and public attention, even in secret, and definitely in foreign locations.


It has been done in the past, even between the Vajpayee and Musharraf governments, and it seems the only thing that can survive the vicious bitterness of our public debate.



How not to hold India-Pakistan talks


 
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These talks would be a huge joke , I hope it gets cancelled .


If anything I fear from these talks is Modi making Nawaz Sharif look like a dummy duck and school him in the dialogue by presenting all the 'terror related' bs and not giving an ear to the Kashmir issue .
 
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so what's the latest, are they on or off ?
 
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These talks would be a huge joke , I hope it gets cancelled .


If anything I fear from these talks is Modi making Nawaz Sharif look like a dummy duck and school him in the dialogue by presenting all the 'terror related' bs and not giving an ear to the Kashmir issue .

That is because you don't read up on what was agreed to in Ufa. These talks were NSA level ones where the main subject was terror. These would have been followed by DGMO talks & heads of the BSF & Rangers talking. Had there been quiet progress, then the next lot of talks would have been FS level talks where Kashmir too would have been discussed. Even in the NSA talks, Kashmir would come up but be limited in its scope, with the discussion centering around terror.

Pakistan should not have done this grandstanding on the Hurriyat, it guarantees that there are no talks on Kashmir because there will be no progress.
 
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The talks in my opinion were scheduled with good intentions by both PMs, The mistake was the long lead time given for them.

This gave vested interests on both sides to do what they are best at doing .
 
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Talks should go on..India should hand over the dossier to Pakistan and get a new date for next talks with Sharrif. Nawz is the only sane mind who can think beyond the pathetic extreme positions. India should press on Pakistan for PM level meeting. It is overall peace favor.
 
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Talks should go on..India should hand over the dossier to Pakistan and get a new date for next talks with Sharrif. Nawz is the only sane mind who can think beyond the pathetic extreme positions. India should press on Pakistan for PM level meeting. It is overall peace favor.

Nawaz Sharif is greatly weakened internally. Otherwise, this complete U-turn from his position in UFA is not explainable. Sartaj Aziz was also in UFA, yet he was forced to completely change his tune the moment he stepped on Pakistani soil. GoI held off making any comment because they wanted to give Pakistani leaders some space to deal with their domestic problems & almost have made no comment till the last couple of days. It is Pakistan which has made the border heat up as well as increase its rhetoric to shrill levels.

When last year, the FS talks were called off on account of the meeting with the Hurriyat, a compromise was reached between India & Pakistan that the Hurriyat would be allowed to the Pakistani HC for some talks & functions, just that it won't be brought in immediately preceding a major meeting. Sartaj Aziz himself said "maybe the timing wasn't right" about the meeting with the Hurriyat & went on to explain that since the FS talks were "talks about talks" & Kashmir was not on the table, the meeting with the Hurriyat could have been postponed. Yet the very same Sartaj Aziz is now planning to meet the Hurriyat when there are NSA talks about "terror"?
 
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These talks would be a huge joke , I hope it gets cancelled .


If anything I fear from these talks is Modi making Nawaz Sharif look like a dummy duck and school him in the dialogue by presenting all the 'terror related' bs and not giving an ear to the Kashmir issue .
Not only this one, I expect no talks to happen at all in future. We simply don't have any reason for that. Time is not right.

Nawaz Sharif is greatly weakened internally. Otherwise, this complete U-turn from his position in UFA is not explainable. Sartaj Aziz was also in UFA, yet he was forced to completely change his tune the moment he stepped on Pakistani soil. GoI held off making any comment because they wanted to give Pakistani leaders some space to deal with their domestic problems & almost have made no comment till the last couple of days. It is Pakistan which has made the border heat up as well as increase its rhetoric to shrill levels.

When last year, the FS talks were called off on account of the meeting with the Hurriyat, a compromise was reached between India & Pakistan that the Hurriyat would be allowed to the Pakistani HC for some talks & functions, just that it won't be brought in immediately preceding a major meeting. Sartaj Aziz himself said "maybe the timing wasn't right" about the meeting with the Hurriyat & went on to explain that since the FS talks were "talks about talks" & Kashmir was not on the table, the meeting with the Hurriyat could have been postponed. Yet the very same Sartaj Aziz is now planning to meet the Hurriyat when there are NSA talks about "terror"?
This is kind of a soft coup.That doesn't serve our purpose.
 
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Nawaz Sharif is greatly weakened internally. Otherwise, this complete U-turn from his position in UFA is not explainable. Sartaj Aziz was also in UFA, yet he was forced to completely change his tune the moment he stepped on Pakistani soil. GoI held off making any comment because they wanted to give Pakistani leaders some space to deal with their domestic problems & almost have made no comment till the last couple of days. It is Pakistan which has made the border heat up as well as increase its rhetoric to shrill levels.

When last year, the FS talks were called off on account of the meeting with the Hurriyat, a compromise was reached between India & Pakistan that the Hurriyat would be allowed to the Pakistani HC for some talks & functions, just that it won't be brought in immediately preceding a major meeting. Sartaj Aziz himself said "maybe the timing wasn't right" about the meeting with the Hurriyat & went on to explain that since the FS talks were "talks about talks" & Kashmir was not on the table, the meeting with the Hurriyat could have been postponed. Yet the very same Sartaj Aziz is now planning to meet the Hurriyat when there are NSA talks about "terror"?
So whats the way out? PA will never allow these talks to happen. The same situation will repeat in every talks untill the democracy in pakistan matures enough and hold enough power to contain PA. Whats the use of these talks? Either Pakistan for domestic consumption openly doing these Hurriyat talks drama but once behind the door, will come back to terrorism talks. But i doubt that given the control PA has on Pak government.
 
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Every one knows these talks are just time passing. Two govts are only cheating themselves.
 
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So whats the way out? PA will never allow these talks to happen. The same situation will repeat in every talks untill the democracy in pakistan matures enough and hold enough power to contain PA. Whats the use of these talks? Either Pakistan for domestic consumption openly doing these Hurriyat talks drama but once behind the door, will come back to terrorism talks. But i doubt that given the control PA has on Pak government.
Why do you think the onus is upon us to find the way out ? It's not. We are doing perfectly fine now. We do talk when the time is right.

Every one knows these talks are just time passing. Two govts are only cheating themselves.
I don't know about your govt. But ours is doing what is expected by us. We are already in our comfort zone.
 
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Why do you think the onus is upon us to find the way out ? It's not. We are doing perfectly fine now. We do talk when the time is right.
We are perfectly fine when there is no terror attack in India from that side and even if happen, appropriate answer is given so that there is less chance of next terror attack.
 
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So whats the way out? PA will never allow these talks to happen. The same situation will repeat in every talks untill the democracy in pakistan matures enough and hold enough power to contain PA. Whats the use of these talks? Either Pakistan for domestic consumption openly doing these Hurriyat talks drama but once behind the door, will come back to terrorism talks. But i doubt that given the control PA has on Pak government.

Start with meeting Pakistan only in 3rd countries & at middle levels, not at senior levels. Do a lot of back channel diplomacy and move on smaller issues at the lower levels itself. Get a channel to the PA and see if things can be smoothed over. Keep it out of public gaze completely.
 
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Start with meeting Pakistan only in 3rd countries & at middle levels, not at senior levels. Do a lot of back channel diplomacy and move on smaller issues at the lower levels itself. Get a channel to the PA and see if things can be smoothed over. Keep it out of public gaze completely.
Do you really think these stuff would not have happened or tried? PA will not let anything happen something which going to endanger its control over Pakistan politics.
 
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