How long does this Ummah last : Study

[Reichsmarschall]

Time period of this ummah = graham's number raised to the power of tree(3).

 

[StormBreaker]

Yajud and Majud is a tribe that like to raid during Zulkarnaen times that most probably is Mongol. Mongol any way has come out from their region and attack many part of the world, even Indonesia who are located on the sea and very far away from their region is not spared by them. So what has been said by Quran has already been happen now.

Dajjal itself according to prophet is the one who can make a death person live again, can move to other location very quickly, has one eye. So how do you think about computer who has one eye ( a screen) and internet where we can communicate from Pakistan into Indonesia and vice versa with just a second ? Or where Youtube channel can bring back JFK into live again ?

I love these conspiracy theories

However, Yajooj and Majooj are supposed to appear after the death of Dajjal/AntiChrist.

The events of Dajjal would be unprecedented, such that those who know about them might be lucky to understand them but most won’t even realize what’s happening around in the world.

I myself have some really vague, crazy ideas about Dajjal being some sort of a movement or maybe some big thing (in your case internet) but lets not debate what’s not our business to, Allah knows best.

Since Quran doesn’t mention Dajjal anywhere so He is only mentioned in Ahadith and Previous books of Christians and Jews.

However, This is for certain, Whatever will happen when the time comes, they would be accelerated events, chaos in the world, ever second shapes the history.

I Fear for those times but somewhere deep, I am eager to see them as well but only if Allah wants to keep me among the Believers as it passes.

Time period of this ummah = graham's number raised to the power of tree(3).

Could you expand on that ?

 

[Ultima Thule]

Throughout my life, various people i have come across, Some claimed that Qiyamah will come 1400 years after passing away of Prophet Muhammad SA.

However, My nature of being suspicious of such claims by average people, given the fact that many Subcontinent people especially the older generations are SuperStitious and kind of HOAX propagators, I never believed such.

However, I didn’t debunk that either, have it a search over the internet, found this interesting lead to my research over this “AT THE MOMENT” myth.

Do give it a read.

But don’t trust anything blindly, Even this article. We have to verify the sources, Ahadiths, Narrators and all...

https://muslimology.wordpress.com/2010/04/20/how-islam-end-in-70-years/

@Mangus Ortus Novem @SIPRA @Syed Hammad Ahmed @Verve @seven0seven (glad you are not banned yet ) @El Sidd @aliyusuf

Guys, do give your takes and whatever you might have heard on this. Surely rumours and false or fabricated news prove helpful in research and give leads.

There are reasons for elderly people of Pakistan for that, hadiths were not told us situations of future, (in detail) after 1400 hijri that's why elderly people of Pakistan thinks that there will be qiyamat after 1400 year
But remember bro major big events and situations are yet to be come like imam Mahdi arrival/Muslim conqueror Istanbul/arrival of dajjal/Armageddon/rises of the sun from the west etc etc
You should see END OF TIME BY DOCTOR SHAHID MASOOD for these information

 

[aliyusuf]

I have read yajuj and majuj will be out numbering rest of the human kind by around 7 is to 1 ... from that it may be possible that they are not of this world.

 

[Ultima Thule]

I have read yajuj and majuj will be out numbering rest of the human kind by around 7 is to 1 ... from that it may be possible that they are not of this world.

no sir yajooj majooj is a race of human kind according to various Islamic scholars

 

[EasyNow]

Likewise,

You failed to understand the OP point.
It’s not about eradication. It’s about the foretold events and predictions as well. I was trying to dive deep into this SPECIFIC mystery.

Trust me, Eradication of Human kind or a specific kind these days isn’t a big deal, Nukes can do that very well.

Unless WW3 happens

Prophecy or not, any thread subject should allow logical analysis, otherwise it's a pointless exercise.

But as this seems you want this to be a purely religious discussion il leave you to it.

 

[Indos]

I love these conspiracy theories

However, Yajooj and Majooj are supposed to appear after the death of Dajjal/AntiChrist.

Based on Quran, Yajooj and Majooj have already been appeared and people living close to them during Zulkarnaen time have seen them

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verses 94-97:

94. “They said: ‘O’ Zul-Qarnayn! Verily Gog and Magog make mischief in the earth, so may we assign to you a tribute so that you set up a barrier between us and between them?’”

95 He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): help me therefore with strength (and labor): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:

That Yajood and Majood are most probably Mongol and their raid/spread across the world is also written in Quran.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 21 Surah Anbiyaa verses 96-97:

96 Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (their barrier) and they swiftly swarm from every hill.

97 Then will the True Promise draw nigh (of fulfillment): then behold! the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: "Ah! woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay we truly did wrong!"

If not Mongol, then second guess is Germanic tribe who conquer many part of the words in the past. Or maybe both Germanic tribe (Western nation) and Chinese who are the races who are now spreading around the world and only very few of them who become Muslim (thus big majority of them reject Allah messages).

The events of Dajjal would be unprecedented, such that those who know about them might be lucky to understand them but most won’t even realize what’s happening around in the world.

I myself have some really vague, crazy ideas about Dajjal being some sort of a movement or maybe some big thing (in your case internet) but lets not debate what’s not our business to, Allah knows best.

Since Quran doesn’t mention Dajjal anywhere so He is only mentioned in Ahadith and Previous books of Christians and Jews.

However, This is for certain, Whatever will happen when the time comes, they would be accelerated events, chaos in the world, ever second shapes the history.

I Fear for those times but somewhere deep, I am eager to see them as well but only if Allah wants to keep me among the Believers as it passes.

I believe prophet Muhammad use metaphor when he describe Dajjal because Dajjal is a test for us, so prophet Muhammad will not describe it fully/clearly to us.

The hadith saying the conquer of Constantinopel using kalimat of Allahu Akbar in my opinion is the metaphor of saying the winning of Islamist political party over Turkey that is in the past ruled by secular. As we know, in a democratic nation, a party can win over a nation without the need to wage war over the other opposing party.

 

[Mentee]

O PaaJee,

@Mentee is preparing our Hukka .... so might pop in when he is done... good lad OurMentee is!

Mangus

Hairaangi hae, kay abhi tak @Mentee iss thread main naheen kooda.

Chaudhry sb m Hukka bakhaa lva zra, tsi utni chyr zayvar etaleem dy Val kadho, eho aflaatooni galla'n men kai nao pallay payndia

 

[SIPRA]

Chaudhry sb m Hukka bakhaa lva zra, tsi utni chyr zayvar etaleem dy Val kadho, eho aflaatooni galla'n men kai nao pallay payndia

Chalo theek ae. Phair kissay thread tay oss Doctor Sahib noon labho.

 

[21st Century Vampire]

BTW,

Ever heard about some Major Battle will happen in which Muslims and Christians fight side by side against Jews and when the jews get defeated, Then due to some verbal conflict, Muslims and Christians will fight each other

The battle you're referring to is interpreted to be the armageddon, before that Muslims and Christians (most probably from Europe) will fight a common enemy which is unamed, God knows if they're jews or not...

 

[StormBreaker]

Based on Quran, Yajooj and Majooj have already been appeared and people living close to them during Zulkarnaen time have seen them

Allah Says in the Holy Quran Chapter 18 Surah Kahf verses 94-97:

94. “They said: ‘O’ Zul-Qarnayn! Verily Gog and Magog make mischief in the earth, so may we assign to you a tribute so that you set up a barrier between us and between them?’”

95 He said: "(The power) in which my Lord has established me is better (than tribute): help me therefore with strength (and labor): I will erect a strong barrier between you and them:

That Yajood and Majood are most probably Mongol and their raid/spread across the world is also written in Quran.

Allah says in the Holy Quran Chapter 21 Surah Anbiyaa verses 96-97:

96 Until the Gog and Magog (people) are let through (their barrier) and they swiftly swarm from every hill.

97 Then will the True Promise draw nigh (of fulfillment): then behold! the eyes of the Unbelievers will fixedly stare in horror: "Ah! woe to us! we were indeed heedless of this; nay we truly did wrong!"

If not Mongol, then second guess is Germanic tribe who conquer many part of the words in the past. Or maybe both Germanic tribe (Western nation) and Chinese who are the races who are now spreading around the world and only very few of them who become Muslim (thus big majority of them reject Allah messages).



I believe prophet Muhammad use metaphor when he describe Dajjal because Dajjal is a test for us, so prophet Muhammad will not describe it fully/clearly to us.

The hadith saying the conquer of Constantinopel using kalimat of Allahu Akbar in my opinion is the metaphor of saying the winning of Islamist political party over Turkey that is in the past ruled by secular. As we know, in a democratic nation, a party can win over a nation without the need to wage war over the other opposing party.

Yajooj Majooj were a Nation of the past, Who were then caged behind walls built by Zul Qarnain.

Nearing the End of times, they will break free. Not sure about the population thing @aliyusuf , This is first time for me to hear that. But I can support your theory by this that after the Death of Dajjal, Humans will be limited, Such that Every survivor would have received Kiss on forehead from Hazrat Isa AS, You can make a guess now.

The battle you're referring to is interpreted to be the armageddon, before that Muslims and Christians (most probably from Europe) will fight a common enemy which is unamed, God knows if they're jews or not...

Appreciate your reply, Could you also classify your input as religious or some passed down story from generations ?
It would help me a lot.

I normally take the input from Jewish, Christianity and Islamic books to be a lead.

 

[ÇölKaplanı]

My Pakistani brothers, there's no ummah left ever since the Arab Revolt. Even you Pakistani brothers helped the empire from thousands of miles away but these Arabs messed everything up. Back then, the Ottoman Empire was the last independent muslim country left and they were the protectors of the muslims around the World but still they(Arabs) revolted and caused this mess in the M.East today. And they still can't get their back straight because of their sins of yesterday thanks to Allah. And even today, all the muslims around the globe have to go through islamophobia because of their disgusting actions in M.East. I know I sound like a racist but unfortunately these are the truths. Honestly, I don't think they deserve our Prophet Muhammad. Their actions are the same as the Arabs before the Prophet. If we can say an ummah is left today, it is between Turkey-Indonesia-Pakistan-Malaysia and N.African countries and such... but that ''ummah'' depends on the relations of the countries that I counted and as a muslim I honestly hope we can see deep cooperations from these countries...

 

[21st Century Vampire]

Appreciate your reply, Could you also classify your input as religious or some passed down story from generations ?
It would help me a lot.

I normally take the input from Jewish, Christianity and Islamic books to be a lead.

The Prophet (saws) said, “You will make a firm truce with the Romans (al-Rum) until you and they wage a campaign against an enemy that is attacking them. You will be granted victory and great spoils. Then you will alight in a plain surrounded by hills. There, someone among the Romans shall say: ‘The Cross has overcome!’ were upon someone among the Muslims shall say: ‘Nay, Allah has overcome!’ and shall go and break the cross. The Romans shall kill him, then the Muslims shall take up their arms and the two sides shall fall upon each other. Allah shall grant martyrdom to that group of Muslims. After that the Romans shall say to their leader: ‘We shall relieve you of the Arabs (intending Genocide), and they shall gather up for the great battle (Armageddon). They shall come to you under eighty flags (nations or groups), each flag gathering 12,000 troops (960,000 soldiers in total)” (Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Jihad – Vol. 3/7 – No. 2479, Ahmad, Ibn Majah

The reason that they're thought to be Europeans is due to the fact that they will march with 80 banners...What's interesting with Muhammad's prophecies is that they're very specific which is why people try to find estimates, for example another hadith mentions that Arabs will be few in number during the time of the dajjal

 

[StormBreaker]

My Pakistani brothers, there's no ummah left ever since the Arab Revolt. Back then, the Ottoman Empire was the last independent muslim country left and they were the protectors of the muslims around the World but still they(Arabs) revolted and caused this mess in the M.East today. And they still can't get their back straight because of their sins of yesterday thanks to Allah. And even today, all the muslims around the globe have to go through islamophobia because of their disgusting actions in M.East. I know I sound like a racist but unfortunately these are the truths. Honestly, I don't think they deserve our Prophet Muhammad. Their actions are the same as the Arabs before the Prophet. If we can say an ummah is left today, it is between Turkey-Indonesia-Pakistan-Malaysia and N.African countries and such... but that ''ummah'' depends on the relations of the countries that I counted and as a muslim I honestly hope we can see deep cooperations from these countries...

Assalam u Alikum Brother,

You are trying highlight past but with a some biasedness. I personally am a Fan of Ottoman Empire, such that if the empire builds up again today, I would offer myself for its service.

But the line “Arabs revolt”, Arabs are not to be blamed, not to be generalized, Rather it was a specific clan with political ambitions and plan in place and effect to Get a free Arab.

Try to ask Arab civilians about Turkey and their views, You wouldn’t find them criticizing or Bad Mouthing turks or Turkey. So please, Don’t ignite others to bring in the usual Arab vs Turk mess here.

Ummah did die with the End of Ottoman Rule. But the foundations had been laid 3 centuries back, Already started to cripple, The only stronghold was Turkish Empire which was then dissolved.

But then, No need to mourn the past, Allah has assured Muslims victory nearing the end, That is enough to get satisfied.

The Prophet (saws) said, “You will make a firm truce with the Romans (al-Rum) until you and they wage a campaign against an enemy that is attacking them. You will be granted victory and great spoils. Then you will alight in a plain surrounded by hills. There, someone among the Romans shall say: ‘The Cross has overcome!’ were upon someone among the Muslims shall say: ‘Nay, Allah has overcome!’ and shall go and break the cross. The Romans shall kill him, then the Muslims shall take up their arms and the two sides shall fall upon each other. Allah shall grant martyrdom to that group of Muslims. After that the Romans shall say to their leader: ‘We shall relieve you of the Arabs (intending Genocide), and they shall gather up for the great battle (Armageddon). They shall come to you under eighty flags (nations or groups), each flag gathering 12,000 troops (960,000 soldiers in total)” (Abu Dawud, Kitab al-Jihad – Vol. 3/7 – No. 2479, Ahmad, Ibn Majah

The reason that they're thought to be Europeans is due to the fact that they will march with 80 banners...What's interesting with Muhammad's prophecies is that they're very specific which is why people try to find estimates, for example another hadith mentions that Arabs will be few in number during the time of the dajjal

This is exactly what I was searching for since long, This Hadith.

Meanwhile, Let me confirm it’s authenticity.

@aliyusuf @SIPRA @Mangus Ortus Novem

Here is the theory, Come on you guys, Not give up, Try the detective approach here.

This “Muslims and Roman will team up” and the “Fight between Romans and Muslims” might be events happening throughout the course of the last few decades, such that this Hadith doesn’t specify the time period of this whole saga, Who knows that this whole event could have already been started some time ago ?

The key to answer is “Common Enemy”

 

[aliyusuf]

no sir yajooj majooj is a race of human kind according to various Islamic scholars

Let us not be be so dismissive and sure, brother. And keep an open mind. As per modern age and modern technology no race on earth is trapped by the walls of a mountain as is related by Islamic traditions.

Mongols are definitely not trapped by walls of mountains. So cannot be them. Neither do they outnumber rest of the mankind in the ratio of 7 is to 1.

What is being referred in ancient books as a wall could be a dimensional portal whose access information could have been obscured to the Yajuj and Majuj by Allah on the prayers of Zulqernain. These terms could have been metaphorically changed in favor of the understanding of the people of those times. Because in the end we would be needing the help from Angels from Heaven in the end to overcome them, after suffering huge losses ourselves.