How Karachi has been discriminated

[Kabira]

Karachi port was established in 1854 by British so it's not like in 1947 it was fishing village like Gwadar. Lot's of people settled there. Sindhi population used to be about 50% in 1947 but these were sindhi hindus. Other half of population was muslim but they were not native sindhis but Gujaratis mostly and from other areas of Bombay presidency.

Sindhi muslim didn't settle in Karachi. I think sindhi leaders were hoping in Pakistan sindhi muslim would have Karachi for themselves mostly. They were first to pass resolution in favor of Pakistan but I doubt they would have done that quickly if known before hand that millions more would settle in one go in Karachi making Sindhis minority forever.

 

[Syed1.]

As a born and bred Karachiite I can say the following things with certainty:

1. Karachi is mini-Pakistan, every single race, religion, sect, ethnicity resides here. No other Pakistani city even comes close to this level of diversity. Around 40-45% of the population is Urdu speaking.

2. Karachi will never vote for Punjab centric politicians like Nawaz Sharif.

3. Karachi will never give all of her mandate to interior Sindh centric politicians like the Bhuttos and Zardaris.

4. Karachi trusted MQM because they were people who had risen from amongst us and faced the same issues that the population faced and offered a viable option of fixing them. Unfortunately, MQM turned into a terrorist organization run by a swine sitting in London.

5. Karachi was ripe for the taking over by PTI but alas like most other politicians Khan sahab was focused only on Punjab and didn't even build up his party's political structure in the city.

6. Karachi is far too religiously diverse and "liberal" to give overwhelming mandate to JI.

7. Karachi sees PSP as just an off-shoot of MQM backed by the establishment and the party will struggle to garner alot of seats in the 2018 elections despite Mustafa Kamal's excellent work during his mayorship.



There is a big political vacuum in Karachi and frankly speaking PTI is in the best position to grab it, however, they have shown no inkling of working towards winning the city. The next elections will see Karachi seats split three-way between MQM and PTI with PPP getting a small number of seats. No chance for Nasoor Sharif.

 

[Kabira]

MQM was not created by establishment however the establishment quickly recognised it could dislodge PPP from urban Sindh and that's the reason why one faction of MQM was supported by the establishment, MQM was a creation of wrong polices namely quota system that gave favours to Sindhis and Punjabis over Urdu Speaking students.

Quota was for rural sindh and urban sindh, not punjabis. Before federal quota used to be for Sindh without differentiating between rural or urban areas. Quota already existed before Bhutto, only difference was rural/urban divide.

 

[Hamzay]

I don't understand why you would resort to abusive language. Even if I was ethnic Sindhi or from village it doesnt give you right to abuse or attack personally or disrespect me. This happens when people don't have argument. First of all I am not from any village and was born and raised in Karachi. In fact my three generations belong to Karachi. My grandfather came to Karachi in 1942 from Gujarat and slept on footpath. He retired as assistant commissioner in Karachi after joining govt as clerk. My maternal grandfather also worked all life in kmc.

Now coming to history. Ever heard of jamshed nasarwanji. He was the architect of modern Karachi and visioned it as future big city. And when Karachi was capital, it was European architects who did much of town planning. You won't find trace of planning after late 1970s except may be in cantonment areas. It was after that Karachi started to grow haphazardly. If you know that much history than tell me which part of city was planned after 1980 or by so called immigrants. And before you attack me again let me remind you that I am also so called immigrant. But I don't call my self that now. I don't think my father should even call himself immigrant because he was also born and raised here.
Also if you have time then check old pictures of Karachi. MA Jinnah road was not much different before partition and I believe it was much better then than its now. Also look at the condition of areas like orangi, korangi and liaquat abad.I will say nazimabad was much better planned and see what it has become now. This is how immigrants has built this city?

History lesson is important for you as immigrants (Urdu speaking community) arrived in Karachi in 1947 until Liaquat Nehru Pact 1950 (without a visa).

Later immigration took place after 1971 when Biharis of East Pakistan were massacred and forced to move to West Pakistan.

After Urdu speaking community, Pashtuns are the largest immigrants here (including Afghans who illegally settled in 1980s and later). I'm using the word 'immigrants' for Pashtuns because they also did not belong to Karachi as per history.

Then there are Punjabi immigrants who came to settle here as it was a Capital and has still been a land of opportunities.

Sindhi immigrants who moved from small cities, towns and goths to Karachi.

Illegal immigrants include not only Afghans, but Bengalis, Burmes (Rohingya Muslims), and a long list of various ethnicity. There number reaches 2 millions.

Now if you call Karachi a land of immigrants like the USA, it won't be wrong.

Since the Urdu speaking community living here is the largest legal ethnic group. And as you say they are responsible for the decline of this city is nonsense.

Karachi was the best city until it was the Capital of Pakistan. It's downfall started when the Traitor Bhutto imposed himself on this country through a conspiracy to bleed Pakistan to half death and eat from the left over flesh of the countrymen.

Karachi was always ruled by the feudal elites of Interior Sindh under Pakistan People's Party except for a short period of time when MQM (Altaf) was made in charge of the city.

MQM was also imposed upon Karachi by various stupid, unpatriotic and later anti-Pakistan factors. One very important reason was a wave of racism and discrimination towards Urdu speaking from ethnic Sindhi groups; Zulfiquar Ali Bhutto was one of such enemies of Karachi.

In 1980s, criminal Afghans and Pashtun drug mafia gangs also attacked pockets of Mohajir settlements and all these factors attracted Mohajirs towards MQM.

I bet it was all engineered. Bhutto the Traitor wanted to break the left-over Pakistan. He was facilitating the divide on ethnic lines, and the master mind of this plan was obviously sitting in New Delhi, who believed the Bangladesh model would always be effective for further breaking up Pakistan.

MQM was an Urdu Speaking Awami League, and Altaf was a Karachiite Sheikh Mujib.

In this grand conspiracy against Karachi and Pakistan, I feel our policy makers, strategists, military and civil establishment showed grave incompetency and failed to foil such enemy designs.

Karachi kept bleeding from late 1980's till the second decade of the 21st century. It seemed a smelly tumour was spreading and engulfing everything alive in the metropolis.

Karachi was not only a target of Indian conspiracy, but it was a battleground of Khomeini's Iranian ambitions also, coupled with criminal negligence and incompetence of civil governments of Benazir Bhutto and Nawaz Sharif.

Dear with this thread you have open a Pandora Box ............ For many, Maqbooza Karachi is nothing but maal e ghanimat - A sad reality. Karachi and Karachites are as much Pakistani as Punjabies, no matter if anyone believe or not.

Now this is a shameless response from a corrupted mindset prepared by the idol worshiping enemies.

'Maqbooza Karachi' however is not the wrong word for this city.

It was criminally hijacked by low lives, and thugs among Urdu Speaking Community who belonged to 'cheap families'. Do you think leaders of MQM represent an educated Urdu Speaking like me? Do you think I can ever vote for these ugly Chamaars in a 100 years?

These thugs were given the opportunity to hijack my beautiful Karachi and they successfully did this like a sickening virus.

ایم کیو ایم کے بھنگی چمار لیڈر جن کو کبھی بائیسیکل بھی نصیب نہیں ہوئی ہوگی، بڑی بڑی پجارو اور ویگو میں بیٹھ کر ایسے گھومتے تھے، بلکہ شاید ابھی بھی گھومتے ہوں گے، جیسے یہ جدی پشتی کسی وڈیرے یا اسمگلر کی اولاد ہیں۔
بابر غوری جیسا بھنگی صورت انسان جو کراچی کی زمینوں پر قبضے کر کے صائمہ کے پروجیکٹس بناتا رہا۔
ننگ دیں، ننگ ملت ایم کیو ایم کے نالی کے کیڑے، کراچی شہر کے پارکس پر قبضے کر کے وہاں اپارٹمنٹس بنا کر کمائی کرتے رہے۔
لعنتی کردارو، تم لوگوں میں شرم اور حیا نام کی کوئی چیز ہے؟ ہمارے بچے کیا تمہارے گھر کے لان میں جا کے کھیلیں گے؟
کراچی کے دشمنو، پاکستان کے غدارو، اللہ تم لوگوں پر اپنا عذاب نازل کرے، آمین۔​

میرے پاکستانی دوستو
یقین جانو، یہ الطاف کے دہشت گرد ہم اردو بولنے والوں کے لئے کسی عذاب سے کم نہیں تھے۔
ان کے ظلم و ستم کا اصل نشانہ ہم خود تھے، کوئی اور کمیونٹی نہیں تھی۔
ہم اردو بولنے والوں کو نہ صرف ایم کیو ایم کے جنگلی درندے لوٹتے تھے، بلکہ ہم لیاری کے بلوچ دہشت گردوں اور سندھ کے ڈاکوؤں اور پشتون ڈرگ مافیا ، اور مذہبی دہشت گردوں کے ظلم و ستم کا بھی نشانہ بنتے رہے ہیں۔
کراچی کا اصل دکھڑا تو کسی کو معلوم ہی نہیں ہے۔
ہمارا یہودی اور ہندو میڈیا، کراچی کے زخموں پر ڈریسنگ کر کے چھپاتا رہا ہے۔​

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Well unfortunate that happened to you. What is your problem with people calling themselves urdu speaking? Why do you call yourself Punjabi or Kashmiri?

Yes we call ourselves punjabi,or path but we dont single ourselves out from the whole nation of Pakistan which btw is home many diverse groups. And we do not demand a whole seperate country for ourselves. What my fellow Pakistani bros need to realize is that the whole country is burning and suffering, not just the baloch or pathan or urdu speak for that matter.

So in such a dire situation creating more division does not make sense but logic dictates and circumstances necessitate more Unity between ourselves.

 

[Hamzay]

Yes we call ourselves punjabi,or path but we dont single ourselves out from the whole nation of Pakistan which btw is home many diverse groups. And we do not demand a whole seperate country for ourselves. What my fellow Pakistani bros need to realize is that the whole country is burning and suffering, not just the baloch or pathan or urdu speak for that matter.

So in such a dire situation creating more division does not make sense but logic dictates and circumstances necessitate more Unity between ourselves.

Now this is also hatred and racism on your part towards Urdu speaking community.

If they like to call themselves Urdu speaking, do they need a permission from you for that?

Did you ask anyone to call yourselves Punjabi, Pathan, Pashtoon, Pakhtoon, Sarayeki, Balochi, Sindhi?

Where on earth it says that this piece of land belongs to Punjabis or Pathans or Sindhis?

Indian and East Pakistani immigrants to Karachi like to call themselves Urdu speaking or Mohajirs; it's their choice. You have no right to dictate them they can or can't do that. Mind your own business, or they also preserve the right to suggest names for your ethnic group.

And this is a grave allegation that Urdu speaking people demanded separation from Pakistan. Shut up for this lie.

It's the Pashtoons of NWFP (KP) who demanded for Pakhtunistan, it's the Sindhis who demanded for Sindhu Desh, Baloch who demanded separation... but never ever the Urdu speaking people.

And don't try to act so patriotic; you don't know what patriotism is. It's the people who sacrificed their families and actually worked in the Pakistan Movement know what patriotism is. Those who woke up in the morning and they were told it was no more India but Pakistan, don't know what patriotism is.

Patriotic was Jinnah who gave his life to give us life and independence; patriotic was Liaquat Ali Khan who came here to serve this country. It was Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan who came to Pakistan to make it undefeated and secure.

These Bhuttos, Zardaris, Chaudhrys, Shareefs, Niazis, Achakzais, Bacha Khans, even Kashmiris did nothing... put zero efforts in the making of Pakistan. Actually they wouldn't have bothered at all, if Pakistan had never come into existence.

This is my advice to you that you should come out of ignorant ideas, racist mindset, and accept all people living in Pakistan as equal citizens without any prejudices and stereotyping.

And please don't pretend that you're guardians of Pakistan.

All people living in here are contributing to the progress of this country in various ways.

 

[icebreaker2]

Yes we call ourselves punjabi,or path but we dont single ourselves out from the whole nation of Pakistan which btw is home many diverse groups. And we do not demand a whole seperate country for ourselves. What my fellow Pakistani bros need to realize is that the whole country is burning and suffering, not just the baloch or pathan or urdu speak for that matter.

So in such a dire situation creating more division does not make sense but logic dictates and circumstances necessitate more Unity between ourselves.

Well firstly Urdu Speaking,Punjabi, Sindhi etc. are linguistic identities and how people perceive them are in the context of modern identity politics in Pakistan. What most people don't realize is that this is a rather recent phenomenon and mostly a result of corruption, oppression and dirty politics.

You are misinformed, singling out urdu speakers as anti-national is a result of ignorance and bias. There is only one solution to linguistic identity politics and that is fair play and local governance. One we have that most of it will end by itself.

 

[Ahmet Pasha]

Now this is also hatred and racism on your part towards Urdu speaking community.

If they like to call themselves Urdu speaking, do they need a permission from you for that?

Did you ask anyone to call yourselves Punjabi, Pathan, Pashtoon, Pakhtoon, Sarayeki, Balochi, Sindhi?

Where on earth it says that this piece of land belongs to Punjabis or Pathans or Sindhis?

Indian and East Pakistani immigrants to Karachi like to call themselves Urdu speaking or Mohajirs; it's their choice. You have no right to dictate them they can or can't do that. Mind your own business, or they also preserve the right to suggest names for your ethnic group.

And this is a grave allegation that Urdu speaking people demanded separation from Pakistan. Shut up for this lie.

It's the Pashtoons of NWFP (KP) who demanded for Pakhtunistan, it's the Sindhis who demanded for Sindhu Desh, Baloch who demanded separation... but never ever the Urdu speaking people.

And don't try to act so patriotic; you don't know what patriotism is. It's the people who sacrificed their families and actually worked in the Pakistan Movement know what patriotism is. Those who woke up in the morning and they were told it was no more India but Pakistan, don't know what patriotism is.

Patriotic was Jinnah who gave his life to give us life and independence; patriotic was Liaquat Ali Khan who came here to serve this country. It was Dr Abdul Qadeer Khan who came to Pakistan to make it undefeated and secure.

These Bhuttos, Zardaris, Chaudhrys, Shareefs, Niazis, Achakzais, Bacha Khans, even Kashmiris did nothing... put zero efforts in the making of Pakistan. Actually they wouldn't have bothered at all, if Pakistan had never come into existence.

This is my advice to you that you should come out of ignorant ideas, racist mindset, and accept all people living in Pakistan as equal citizens without any prejudices and stereotyping.

And please don't pretend that you're guardians of Pakistan.

All people living in here are contributing to the progress of this country in various ways.

So all the other punjabi muslims who were murdered at the hands of Sikhs their sacrifice, made in love and desire to see their new home was for nothing? The pathans that fought to liberate Kashmir was for nothing?

I respect ur opinion. But just because I have two different flags in my profile does not mean that I will let anyone tell me that I cannot speak passionately for my motherland.

Well firstly Urdu Speaking,Punjabi, Sindhi etc. are linguistic identities and how people perceive them are in the context of modern identity politics in Pakistan. What most people don't realize is that this is a rather recent phenomenon and mostly a result of corruption, oppression and dirty politics.

You are misinformed, singling out urdu speakers as anti-national is a result of ignorance and bias. There is only one solution to linguistic identity politics and that is fair play and local governance. One we have that most of it will end by itself.

Very true i respect ur opinion. But I would like every mohajir to know that he can rely on me as a Pakistani if he is in need.

In the end no one benefits from this divide that is going on or this controversy but those who seek to destroy us as a nation.

 

[BRAVO_]

about karachi let me mentioned some facts, ordinary people of karachi are strongly pro pakistani and any party which speak against Pakistan were disowned by them and in recent past everybody saw that how they kicked out iltaf hussain from the karachi politics. MQM was once the largest single party obtaining hundred of thousands of votes in elections (though they always rigged the elections as it happened in other parts of paksitan), now they are facing the wind as day by day their popularity is declining and people are drifting toward Mosatafa kamal due to his nationalistic stances.
our all major parities are one way or another breed and supported by our establishment for instance, Bhuto was an ally of Ayoub khan and both were having family relations... Nawaz sherif was a creation of Zai ul haq, in 1998 he was having an absolute majority but the day Musharaf took over no body came out in support of NS same is the case with MQM, late Musharaf created PMLQ and with the help of them he tried to justify his rule to the rest of world.
these differences were put in to people brain to manipulate the system otherwise an ordinary person has nothing to do with this politics.