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How India’s strategic partnership with UAE will hit Pakistan where it hurts

Its not a question of they can, its a question of they will. If israel (America number one ally), with all of its resources and influence could not get America to maintain its harsh stance against Iran, what makes you think Arabs can? It will take quite a lot of money from Arabs to get America back on its previous stance against Iran. So far Arabs haven't taken the initiative which leads me to believe they are not willing to pay the money, even if they can.


Pakistan can survive without their aid and remittances. We're not the ones experience the revolutions, the Arabs are. If we withdraw, who will do the dirty work of suppressing popular uprisings in the GCC as Pakistan did in Bahrain? India? America? Like i said, GCC regime's existence depends on Pakistani protection. We have Pakistani pilots and former intelligence officers in the UAE military. We have ex-Pakistani troops in the Bahrain Army and police forces. Without us they fall like a house of cards.



Protecting your citizens and protecting the regimes themselves is two different things. I'm talking about regimes. India will not protect the GCC regimes unless it wants to say goodbye to Iran.

Dude this is not a call of duty game where Iran can easily attack Arabs.
You should see things in that perspective.West wont allow further unstability in GCC.
They will do anything to protect the Arabs like they did in Gulf war.Israel is not unstable because of the huge amount of money they got from USA as aid.But Arabs wouldnt need any such help.Nor they need any aid
A mere deal with Iran is not a big deal to US .They will reject that when that deal fails to serves their own interests.

Pakistan cant survive with out remittances .And Arabs can unleash a hell in Pakistan if they want .Because like some of your own country mens post for some Pakistanis Arabs are like God.
GCC gave you full support during your wars against us.(both oil and money). They can hire security companies if they want to suppress an uprising .

India will do anything to protect her interests and her citizens life.And Iranians are not that dumb to attack Arabs without any reason.

You cant hide reality .Arabs have heavy influence in Pakistan .They knows a lot about your secrets .That is why your media and government circles too much concerned about recent visit of Indian PM in UAE.
 
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Some of your country men lack the qualifications to "sink down to that level"

Hence they prefer identifying themselves as Indians for better treatment.

'Pakistanis are posing as Indians to escape discrimination' - The Times of India



Your data interpretation skills complement your logical reasoning skills :lol:

How does that data divulge anything remotely on desire for going abroad, given the vast population difference between the two nations

Regarding desire of India or Pakistani to go abroad can summarized by the nation's net migration rate

2014 figures:
India = -0.05
Pakistan= -1.69
:D

List of countries by net migration rate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You, yourself living in UAE are shining example of it

You, yourself living in UAE are shining example of it

I'm here on "deputation," know what that means?

To the rest of your rants? They are merely rants! the world very clearly knows what sort of people elect mass murderers.
 
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I'm here on "deputation," know what that means?
Why are you asking me that?
Alright! I will be compassionate and google that for you
Let me google that for you

To the rest of your rants? They are merely rants! the world very clearly knows what sort of people elect mass murderers.
Well said my friend:D
Net migration rate is nothing more than a rant and is fully related to your perception of the world opinion :lol:

Damn those people who came up the net migration rate to understand the dynamic of immigration/migration from a nation

Seems like you have no understanding of the word rant, let me google that for you as well

Let me google that for you
 
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Why are you asking me that?
Alright! I will be compassionate and google that for you
Let me google that for you


Well said my friend:D
Net migration rate is nothing more than a rant and is fully related to your perception of the world opinion :lol:

Seems like you have not understanding of the word rant, let me google that for you are well

Let me google that for you

Keep googling kid, that's not gonna help when Modi's trip to the UAE will be a bigger failure than China!

Do google "Butcher of Gujarat" while you are at it!!
 
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Keep googling kid, that's not gonna help when Modi's trip to the UAE will be a bigger failure than China!

Do google "Butcher of Gujrat" while you are at it!!
Yup!
Modi trip to UAE and China is a bigger failure than Nawaz trip USA during Kargil.

Happy? :D
 
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@Indus Falcon , the data you provided about remittance per head is actually self defeating , pakistanies are able to send only 2500 $ so do low class menial jobs while Indian sends more than double of that since are far far better placed in standard of jobs than their pakistani counterparts .
 
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@Indus Falcon , the data you provided about remittance per heard is self defeating , pakistanies send only 2500 $ so do low class menial jobs while Indian sends more than double of that since are far far better placed in standard of jobs than their pakistani counterparts .

Nope. Point was Pakistani professionals would rather go to Europe, US or stay at home, rather than go to the GCC. This data shows what kind of "PAKISTANIS" go to the GCC. Got it?

In case you still didn't get it - Mostly Labor Class!!

On the other hand, Pakistanis are the second or third largest foreign investors, in the Real Estate Sector.
 
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Nope. Point was Pakistani professionals would rather go to Europe, US or stay at home rather than go to the GCC. This data shows what kind of "PAKISTANIS" go to the GCC. Got it?


That doesn't seem true as Pakistan being one sixth of our population is contributing more than half population wise. And any way doing professional job anywhere doesn't make any difference. Arabs even hire lot of westerns as professionals.
 
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Very good point !! Pakistanis would rather stay home then go abroad (or Europe, US but not GCC) for the reasons you mentioned and this is why they are respected (in the GCC) more than their Indian counterparts!. Why would a doctor who makes PKR200k p.m. or a qualified C.A. making PKR300k p.m, in Paksitan go abroad?

If you look at the demographics, you will be surprised to see the difference. Most Pakistani professionals don't prefer going abroad, where as in India it's the opposite. Look at the following UAE data:

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Hopefully, this will make it clear what category of people come from where.
Wow .. Your data interpretation skill is impressive :p:
Do google "Butcher of Gujrat" while you are at it!!
There is no place called "Gujrat" in India . However there is a place by that name in Pakistan. So i guess the "Butcher of Gujrat " must be someone from Pakistan :undecided:
 
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Nope. Point was Pakistani professionals would rather go to Europe, US or stay at home, rather than go to the GCC. This data shows what kind of "PAKISTANIS" go to the GCC. Got it?

In case you still didn't get it - Mostly Labor Class!!

On the other hand, Pakistanis are the second or third largest foreign investors, in the Real Estate Sector.

Can you furnish similar data points to prove your point that per capita remittance sent by the Pakistanis from US/UK is greater than Indians ? As per the last info I got Indians are getting CEO jobs in large US companies, they are owning leading hospitality businesses, % of Indian professionals are very high there including Doctors, Law years etc. Avg income level of Indians are much higher than US locals etc.



As per this link-

-graduates among Indiana and local Americans are 67% and 28% respectively
- Avg household income of Indians and Americans are $90000 & $50000 respectively

Can you please provide counter data to support your claim for Pakistanis in US/EU?
 
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Seriously this entire palaver has been coming from the Indian press i.e. that the UAE has given the strategic nod to India over Pakistan. It's seriously not a problem and Pakistan should just concentrate on building strategic ties with Iran and keep cordial ties with the UAE.
 
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How India’s strategic partnership with UAE will hit Pakistan where it hurts
Published August 19, 2015 | By admin
SOURCE: FIRSTPOST

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The India-UAE relationship is a ‘strategic partnership’. In case there were still any lingering doubts about the matter, the joint statement signed by Prime Minister Narendra Modi and Crown Prince Sheikh Mohammed bin Zayed Al Nahyan mentions this upgraded relationship status no less than six times. But what does it actually mean?

India has established over 20 strategic partnerships over the years with countries that include Russia, the US, France, Japan and China. The final name on that list should be proof enough that this sort of bilateral partnership is not a one-size-fits-all alliance that “bind(s) nations to support each other on all strategic issues in all situations”, rather a bespoke agreement to collaborate in areas of common interest. In terms of the actual content of these partnerships, they comprise a variety of areas ranging from defence and space research to bilateral trade and investment.

This sort of deal has a two-fold advantage: It allows India to maintain its sense of strategic autonomy in areas where interests may not necessarily converge, and simultaneously, keep open lines of communication for further diplomatic engagement on military and defence issues should the need arise.

While trade, investment and energy appear in the India-UAE joint statement, the dominant theme of the agreement by far, is security and counter-terrorism.

As has already been noted by numerous media outlets and publications already, the statement reads like it was drafted with India’s concerns about Pakistan in mind. Specifically, parts of sections II and III from point 11:

II. Coordinate efforts to counter radicalisation and misuse of religion by groups and countries for inciting hatred, perpetrating and justifying terrorism or pursuing political aims.

III. Denounce and oppose terrorism in all forms and manifestations, wherever committed and by whomever, calling on all states to reject and abandon the use of terrorism against other countries, dismantle terrorism infrastructures where they exist, and bring perpetrators of terrorism to justice.”

The growing threat and capacity of the Islamic State in West Asia, and the chaos engulfing Yemen and Libya means that jihadi terror is now in the UAE’s neighbourhood, if not yet at its doorstep. If properly implemented, the benefits of the agreement to counter terrorism and its infrastructure, financing networks and host nations will be massive for India — a frequent victim of terror attacks and perhaps the most vocal advocate of a Comprehensive Convention on International Terrorism at the UN. This is especially so because a crackdown on fund-raising activities, facilitated by intelligence-sharing and half-yearly meetings of national security advisers (NSA), could severely deplete the coffers of numerous groups and entities that target India.

But why would the UAE — Pakistan’s largest trade partner, and its biggest source of investment among Gulf countries — sign off an agreement that targets a country with which relations were said to be “emerging into trust-worthy strategic partnership”? As a matter of fact, Pakistan was the first country to formally acknowledge the UAE as an independent country in 1971. So what went wrong?

Look no further than April this year when Pakistan’s Parliament chose not to intervene militarily in the Yemen crisis and rejected Riyadh’s invitation to join the Saudi Arabia-led 10-nation military alliance. The decision, although well received in the Pakistani media, evoked a caustic response from the UAE’s Minister of State for Foreign Affairs Anwar Gargash, who accused Islamabad of taking an “ambiguous stand”.

The vague and contradictory stand of Pakistan… (is) an absolute proof that Arab security — from Libya to Yemen — is the responsibility of none but Arab countries”, stated Dr Gargash, adding that Pakistan would have to pay a “heavy price” for taking this position.

Tweeting that “the moment of truth distinguishes between the real ally and the ally of media and statements”, he summed up Pakistan’s relations with the six-country Gulf Cooperation Council saying, “Though our economic and investment assets are inevitable, political support is missing at critical moments”. Clearly Abu Dhabi did not take Islamabad’s refusal to join the battle in Yemen well.

Sure enough, investment and trade continued through the 21st Century, but a trust deficit was palpable between the leadership of the two countries. According to a July 2009 cable made public by Wikileaks, the Crown Prince referred to then President Asif Zardari as “dirty but not dangerous”, while Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was described as “dangerous but not dirty”, adding that he “cannot be trusted to honor his promises”.

But the UAE has apparently been wary of Pakistan for a while, judging by 2005 cable leaks that “US forces had made use of Sheikh (Crown Prince) Zayed’s private airstrip in Balochistan” allegedly as a base for American drones. Considering the (arguably legitimate) outrage in Pakistan about drone strikes, it’s no surprise the UAE wanted a tight lid on the details. Support to US drones targeting terrorists (and unfortunately, many civilians) in Pakistan was an early indication of Abu Dhabi’s lack of faith in Islamabad’s ability to crack down on terrorism.

The joint statement reflects an amplification of this very lack of faith.

A decade ago, Sheikh Zayed was quoted in a leaked cable as saying that “a new personality (leader of Pakistan) may emerge but for the time being the UAE position was to play a helpful role by supporting the PM”. Whether the UAE continues to take this position, after Pakistan decided not to intervene in Yemen, remains to be seen.

But as it presently stands, India is assembling a dossier on Dawood Ibrahim ahead of NSA-level talks between India and Pakistan on 23-24 August. Intelligence shared by the UAE in this regard could be critical in building a solid case, and could very well be the “heavy price” alluded to by Dr Gargash.
Indian media seriously needs to grow up and stop acting like a mentally retarded person
 
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Seriously this entire palaver has been coming from the Indian press i.e. that the UAE has given the strategic nod to India over Pakistan. It's seriously not a problem and Pakistan should just concentrate on building strategic ties with Iran and keep cordial ties with the UAE.

Well it is more complex than that. UAE and India are already each other's biggest trading partners so there is no change there. But UAE is basically Dubai. That is the engine of UAE. The port city of Dubai. There are two things happening in Dubai which make that city viable and profitable. One is ofcourse transit trade and the other is every crook and corrupt guy in neighborhood from Egypt to Myanmar has a base of operation there.

But now the governments in the region are waking up and cracking down on the crooked and corrupt and the transit trade part, is coming under increasing threat by emergence of the two ports of Chabahar and Gwadar. So expect some 'discomfort' in UAE. As they were taking alot of pride in having "diversified" their economy away from oil and into transit trade. Now they see their dream of diversification under threat, and rolling back into oil exports in an era of shale oil and sand oil, makes really an uncertain future.
 
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