How Indian Troops Became the Backbone of the British Empire

[Rig Vedic]

Whenever I "come across" Indians on the net, they always support the West, westerrn aggression and everything the West says and does. They act like they are more western than westerners themselves and get extremely irritated when somebody criticizes the West, even if that person criticizing is a westerner! You have to admit that this is not normal behaviour. There must be a reason, a sociological explanation for this extremely strange attitude.

It is the Anglicized missionary educated people who are more likely to be servile to western interests, and hostile to native Indian traditions.

But there are also competing political forces, represented by Narendra Modi, who may become the PM in 2014.

 

[Joe Shearer]

It is the Anglicized missionary educated people who are more likely to be servile to western interests, and hostile to native Indian traditions.

But there are also competing political forces, represented by Narendra Modi, who may become the PM in 2014.

The trouble is that modern education was insufficiently widespread to lead to modern thoughts and concepts. Many Indians under a thin surface covering are still dealing with a modern world with outdated, superstitious, even downright bizarre concepts. That is why we have the bigotry and communal hatred of the strange, or that not clearly understood. That is why there are vicious organizations like the fascistic BJP, and the even more disquieting bigotry-soaked RSS.

It was thanks to these communal and Islamphobic elements that the post-Godhra riots were caused. It was thanks to these elements, and these ways of looking at things, that the betrayer of his oath of office, Modi, is still out of jail.

 

[LaBong]

This mistaken belief is a result of gross gnorance about Indic culture, which unfortunately is all too common amongst victims of the colonial education system.

I can't help you if you live in a parallel universe.

 

[Joe Shearer]

Whenever I "come across" Indians on the net, they always support the West, westerrn aggression and everything the West says and does. They act like they are more western than westerners themselves and get extremely irritated when somebody criticizes the West, even if that person criticizing is a westerner! You have to admit that this is not normal behaviour. There must be a reason, a sociological explanation for this extremely strange attitude.

My experience is radically different.

There are two, distinctly divided types of Indians, those who cling to the superstition of the past, and those who have a modern, scientific and cultural outlook. I have hardly come across any who support the west and western attitudes in the manner that you say you have noticed.

Perhaps you need to look elsewhere.

Both types react badly to the kind of nationalism based on Islam which is also to be encountered on the 'Net, where all attitudes and behavioural patterns are criticized from the point of view of whether those attitudes or patterns support Islamic issues or not. Unfortunately both types of Indians react badly to that, the superstitious lot because they are Islamophobes, the modernists because they see that the values of Islamic societies are irreconcilably opposed to those of the west. If the choice is between modern thinking and Islamic thinking, there is unfortunately not much anti-western support that you are likely to get.

I hope this helps you to understand why you find everything hostile and alien when you start criticizing the west.

and then if you notice, then you find most of these 'Indians' are based in either a Western country, or, the people like Joe who might have been dreaming to migrate but hasn't yet. he might be very impressed with western nations while visited there for different projects, while working on 'Indian salary' and dreaming for $ payments, but he certainly hate Indian Identity, if you read the post I replied him. and this way you find, those Indians who support the Western Agressions are those who are either based in west or want to leave India, and all of these 'Indians' hate India itself. and in fact they want to make India a slave to West so that they may maintain their superiority over those Indian friends, they have left in India while migrating to West.....

You need help with your logic and with your own identity crisis. Do you think anyone will respect a person who abandons his own identity and pretends to be Russian, and comes out with a weird mixture of suppositions as a substitute for organised thought?

Get your act together.

shame on east indian company for not revolting

They were pretty revolting.

What is it about them that you liked?

 

[Android]

The trouble is that modern education was insufficiently widespread to lead to modern thoughts and concepts. Many Indians under a thin surface covering are still dealing with a modern world with outdated, superstitious, even downright bizarre concepts. That is why we have the bigotry and communal hatred of the strange, or that not clearly understood. That is why there are vicious organizations like the fascistic BJP, and the even more disquieting bigotry-soaked RSS.

It was thanks to these communal and Islamphobic elements that the post-Godhra riots were caused. It was thanks to these elements, and these ways of looking at things, that the betrayer of his oath of office, Modi, is still out of jail.

bjp is not a fascist neither RSS is bigot nor Modi betrayed his oath

 

[Hello_10]

You need help with your logic and with your own identity crisis. Do you think anyone will respect a person who abandons his own identity and pretends to be Russian, and comes out with a weird mixture of suppositions as a substitute for organised thought?

Get your act together.

Joe, Im facing the type of case which you can't even imagine and if i say here then you won't even understand it also . about the Identity crisis you are saying here, one day I told to Mr Rudd that after sharing women of you people with Indian/Chinese, your young generation have got Identity Crisis as they know, they now have blood of Indian/Chinese also, the reason behind too many attacks in 2009/10. you get the point? leave this topic for now.......

I was born in India, have dual citizenship of Australia and India, and Im related to the man in picture in someway...... rest, its a Soviet Flag, not Russian, did you see my flag? and, as I said my wife is russian so I just want to make sure she is on top

 

[Joe Shearer]

to joe's inferior part-joe plzz visit delhi if you haven't buddy.people here are freaking rich.bmw's,hayabusa ,mercedes and audi are normal thing here.hell i've seen bentley on gurgaon toll tax.have you ever visited ambience mall buddy??it's asia's biggest mall or metro walk is??when you enter ambience mall from gate no. 1 first thing you will find is a bmw showroom.so you saying that people will feel inferior there is wrong.maybe they will be astonished by the cleanliness of european cities but inferior??no way.
we have poor people joe but then there are rich people too and a middle class population of 350 million which spent cash on luxurious item.

I visit Delhi, regularly, don't worry, and have seen what's happening. Incidentally, you might like to come to Kolkata and look at some more BMWs, Mercs and Bentleys, Jags and even one nut's Rolls, which he takes out at night and drives around the empty streets. I was also in Ludhiana between 2006 and 2008; it has more exotic cars per '000 population than anywhere else, including Delhi.

In case you didn't notice, I was talking about the riff-raff from the villages who sell land and turn up in foreign countries. Many go to the UK, for instance, very much more to Australia of late, to join shady colleges with no intention other than to get work, any work, and try to stay on. The first item on the agenda is to marry a foreigner and acquire citizenship, of that country or any other.

Most of them are illiterate idiots who can't write a single line of English. They get where they get by spending money like water. Then they have to justify it to their relatives by explaining that they get very highly paid, much more than Indians doing the same work in India!

It's a joke. Most of them are busy trying to hide their Indian identity and strike postures indicating that they are actually foreign bred and born. Pathetic doesn't begin to describe them.

Joe, Im facing the type of case which you can't even imagine and if i say here then you won't even understand it also . about the Identity crisis you are saying here, one day I told to Mr Rudd that after sharing women of you people with Indian/Chinese, your young generation have got Identity Crisis as they know, they now have blood of Indian/Chinese also, the reason behind too many attacks in 2009/10. you get the point? leave this topic for now.......

I was born in India, have dual citizenship of Australia and India, and Im related to the man in picture in someway...... rest, its a Soviet Flag, not Russian, did you see my flag? and, as I said my wife is russian so I just want to make sure she is on top

Try not to be such an abject liar.

India does not permit dual citizenship. We can gauge the rest of your nonsense by this touchstone.

bjp is not a fascist neither RSS is bigot nor Modi betrayed his oath

And I am Sushma Swaraj.

 

[Bhairava]

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First of all you need to understand that in middle age India wasn't an unified country with a centralized govt but an amalgamation of many small states each having an exclusive an unique culture and language with thousand years of their own and rich history. So for a tamil, a punjabi or a bengali was as alien as British except for the skin pigmentation.

Not true.

Yes, middle ages were particularly turbulent times with hundreds of disunited kingdoms jostling for an existing space. But the point to be noted is though they were dis-united, they were not culturally and religiously disjoint. In the lowest strata of the people, the commoners, the hundreds of "political entities" were nothing more than mirages..i.e, the underlying culture was more or less the same with a unique regional flavor to it.

This does not mean that to a Tamil a Bengali was as exotic as a Briton. That is an absolute fallacy.The word "bharatha kanda" finds a prominent place in many Tamil epics right from the Sangam age which is no possible if what you say is true. Moreover it is not that as if Bharat was never united and always existed as a collection of squabbling states.

The mindset of India being a hodgepodge of squabbling nations united by British needs to go first.

India: A Sacred Geography by Diana Eck

. That is why there are vicious organizations like the fascistic BJP, and the even more disquieting bigotry-soaked RSS.

It was thanks to these communal and Islamphobic elements that the post-Godhra riots were caused. It was thanks to these elements, and these ways of looking at things, that the betrayer of his oath of office, Modi, is still out of jail.

The Vetal goes up the drumstick tree again.

it was not due to these .....elements the post-Godhra riots were caused. But because of Godhra itself.

It was not due to these ..... elements that Modiji is out of jail. But because none of the big-mouths have been able to prove his culpability.

One more thing - it is due to people like you , for whom even if a cat sheds its hair, RSS is to be blamed, that right wing attitudes are gaining ground in India. May your service continue.

 

[Hello_10]

to joe's inferior part-joe plzz visit delhi if you haven't buddy.people here are freaking rich.bmw's,hayabusa ,mercedes and audi are normal thing here.hell i've seen bentley on gurgaon toll tax.have you ever visited ambience mall buddy??it's asia's biggest mall or metro walk is??when you enter ambience mall from gate no. 1 first thing you will find is a bmw showroom.so you saying that people will feel inferior there is wrong.maybe they will be astonished by the cleanliness of european cities but inferior??no way.
we have poor people joe but then there are rich people too and a middle class population of 350 million which spent cash on luxurious item.

i would like to say few more of my experience, I met many europeans and used to talk to them and they used to say, like one american girl who came to our house for few months, "if you go to Spain, people dont have money. just no one has money and they just earn little bit and live life? she said, here people do try to earn but in most of the european places, the willingness to go high in life is just absent, except being good in sports?" and the same about British, the highest migrating people to australia without any high degree or business visa, that, whoever comes to Australia, wants to settle in australia 'anyhow'. means, the highest migrating people of Australia is British and i haven't met even a single one who ever came to sydney and wanted to back? and similarly if you see the news as below, Indian+Russian accounts for over 47% of total UHNW group of UK? and in britain, the Indian origins are the least poor there, the so called 'poor' of UK, the topic on discussion....

i mean, people coming from US do look like having free of spending power and travelling but the Europeans i met, they just want to start earning in australia somehow by doing $18 to $20/hour jobs and get settled there, most of them......... a common air there is, "if someone is working then its good, regardless what type of job he/she has and is there any career progress, as they simply dont have any career." last year I was sharing flat with few french guys in sydney for few months, 6-7 people and 4 girls in them, all of the range 17 to 23, and they used to work few days and do group sex, in the room they had? they just dont have any career as they simply aren't aware about this part of life. just school level education and travel world, do casual jobs and live life, the common air there.....

Super-rich Indians account for more than 22% of the wealth of ultra-high net worth (UHNW) individuals in Britain, a new list showed on Tuesday. As a national group, they are second only to expat Russians.

Indians account for 22% of Britain

Unemployment among black fathers was also high (11 percent) but Indians were less likely to be unemployed (4 percent) than whites (5.5 percent).

British National Party

 

[LaBong]

Not true.

Yes, middle ages were particularly turbulent times with hundreds of disunited kingdoms jostling for an existing space. But the point to be noted is though they were dis-united, they were not culturally and religiously disjoint. In the lowest strata of the people, the commoners, the hundreds of "political entities" were nothing more than mirages..i.e, the underlying culture was more or less the same with a unique regional flavor to it.

This does not mean that to a Tamil a Bengali was as exotic as a Briton. That is an absolute fallacy.The word "bharatha kanda" finds a prominent place in many Tamil epics right from the Sangam age which is no possible if what you say is true. Moreover it is not that as if Bharat was never united and always existed as a collection of squabbling states.

The mindset of India being a hodgepodge of squabbling nations united by British needs to go first.

India: A Sacred Geography by Diana Eck

While I do agree that most Indians are of same genetic stock and atleast all of North India and South India had common civilization root, but what culture/language/way of living did the Tamil peasantry/ Bengali peasantry/ Punjabi peasantry shared back in middle age? Iyers/Iyengers, Reddys, Mukherjee/Banerjees or Bhardwaj, Sharmas might had been well versed of Sanskrit and epics, but common people of all these identities were not aware of each other, and their sorrows and happiness.

Almost all of India had been united couple of time before, but that failed to give us common identity and India once again broke up in pieces once those empire were dissolved.

Indian civilization might have existed since neolithic time, but there was no common political identity until mid eighteenth century.

 

[Hello_10]

Try not to be such an abject liar.

India does not permit dual citizenship. We can gauge the rest of your nonsense by this touchstone.

its nothing but your 'fantasy' to migrate to a western country and think, someone is lying if he says something on this topic. your first 'fantacy' about the 'so much wealth' you have seen in UK, and your finding of 'poor international students' in UK and dreaming that migrating there is everything. so you keep trying to find, whether someone is lying, if he says he is a citizen of a western country........

i was granted australian passport in 2009 and then i went to indian embassy in perth where we had little long discussion with the man on that window, why would we pay over $600 for NRI passport, to have dual citizenship status. now, either get to know about these things from other NRIs here or, .... send an email on stiwarimech10@hotmail.com and i send you scan of my NRI passport. we are called, "Overseas Citizen of India (OCI)"....

 

[Joe Shearer]

Not true.

Yes, middle ages were particularly turbulent times with hundreds of disunited kingdoms jostling for an existing space. But the point to be noted is though they were dis-united, they were not culturally and religiously disjoint. In the lowest strata of the people, the commoners, the hundreds of "political entities" were nothing more than mirages..i.e, the underlying culture was more or less the same with a unique regional flavor to it.

This does not mean that to a Tamil a Bengali was as exotic as a Briton. That is an absolute fallacy.The word "bharatha kanda" finds a prominent place in many Tamil epics right from the Sangam age which is no possible if what you say is true. Moreover it is not that as if Bharat was never united and always existed as a collection of squabbling states.

The mindset of India being a hodgepodge of squabbling nations united by British needs to go first.

India: A Sacred Geography by Diana Eck

From my lofty perch on the drumstick tree, I have to agree that you are right on this one.

We need to clear the confusion in our minds about National (=political) India, Geographical India and Cultural India. Much of the confusion is caused by the use of the name India for all three categories, which is inevitable in English. But cultural norms are so significantly a common factor through the length and breadth of cultural India that it is difficult to assign any political weight to the political sub-sections.

The Vetal goes up the drumstick tree again.

it was not due to these .....elements the post-Godhra riots were caused. But because of Godhra itself.

It was not due to these ..... elements that Modiji is out of jail. But because none of the big-mouths have been able to prove his culpability.

One more thing - it is due to people like you , for whom even if a cat sheds its hair, RSS is to be blamed, that right wing attitudes are gaining ground in India. May your service continue.

You mean diarrhoea makes people eat more? Impeccable logic. Try drumsticks to calm your tum-tum.

its nothing but your 'fantasy' to migrate to a western country and think, someone is lying if he says something on this topic. your first 'fantacy' about the 'so much wealth' you have seen in UK, and your finding of 'poor international students' in UK and dreaming that migrating there is everything. so you keep trying to find, whether someone is lying, if he says he is a citizen of a western country........

i was granted australian passport in 2009 and then i went to indian embassy in perth where we had little long discussion with the man on that window, why would we pay over $600 for NRI passport, to have dual citizenship status. now, either get to know about these things from other NRIs here or, .... send an email on stiwarimech10@hotmail.com and i send you scan of my NRI passport......

That is not a passport; that is an identification card for PIOs.

 

[Sashan]

are u dumb? they killed millions and u thank them????
And how can say that India hadnt been united without the british? talkingabout what if scenarios in history is utter BS

This is the part I could not get. Many Indians paint British as mass-murderers. Post 1857, can someone name British performing mass murder except for Jalian Wala Bagh?

 

[Bhairava]

While I do agree that most Indians are of same genetic stock and atleast all of North India and South India had common civilization root, but what culture/language/way of living did the Tamil peasantry/ Bengali peasantry/ Punjabi peasantry shared back in middle age? Iyers/Iyengers, Reddys, Mukherjee/Banerjees or Bhardwaj, Sharmas might had been well versed of Sanskrit and epics, but common people of all these identities were not aware of each other, and their sorrows and happiness.

Almost all of India had been united couple of time before, but that failed to give us common identity and India once again broke up in pieces once those empire were dissolved.

Indian civilization might have existed since neolithic time, but there was no common political identity until mid eighteenth century.

That is the exact thing that Diana Eck seeks to clarify in her book, the review of which I had linked in my previous post.

Pilgrims thought of India as the land of the seven great rivers, as a space marked by the benediction and caprice of the gods who resided in the great northern peaks of the Himalayas, as woven into unity by the great centers of pilgrimage, or dhams, in the north, south, east and west. Seeking the marks and manifestations of the sacred, they fashioned with their footprints a map of a vast subcontinent suffused with the presence of the gods and stories of their appearances in different incarnations.

It arguably refutes the widely held notion that India was merely a confusion of diverse kingdoms, cultures and languages until it was politically integrated by the British Empire.

The political identity did not come out of the blue, as a result of the British, but it was a mere crystallization of fluidic sense of "geography" in which India has always existed in the mind of the people inhabiting this sub-continent due to the pilgrimages stretching from the char dhams up North to Kashi to Rameswaram. The idea of the northern borders of this bharatha kanda being the himalayas and the southern edge ending in the sea was always there.

Maybe the only new geographical landmass that was added to India was the North East which till then shared precious little with the "mainland".

This is the part I could not get. Many Indians paint British as mass-murderers. Post 1857, can someone name British performing mass murder except for Jalian Wala Bagh?

Bengal famine ?

 

[notsuperstitious]

While I do agree that most Indians are of same genetic stock and atleast all of North India and South India had common civilization root, but what culture/language/way of living did the Tamil peasantry/ Bengali peasantry/ Punjabi peasantry shared back in middle age? Iyers/Iyengers, Reddys, Mukherjee/Banerjees or Bhardwaj, Sharmas might had been well versed of Sanskrit and epics, but common people of all these identities were not aware of each other, and their sorrows and happiness.

Almost all of India had been united couple of time before, but that failed to give us common identity and India once again broke up in pieces once those empire were dissolved.

Indian civilization might have existed since neolithic time, but there was no common political identity until mid eighteenth century.

Modern nation states and the european idea of nationalism are new concepts. May be you are being unfair to apply those to India.