How genetics is settling the Aryan migration debate (Aryan Invasion Theory is proven)

[khanmubashir]

Aryan Invasion theory never said anything about armies. It says people migrated in bunch, and that was the theory which had been proven false beyond any doubts N number of times.

If a war had occured then there is no mention of wars in any vedas, (possibly the oldest historical records available) nor war sites nor destroyed cities. Most of the sites are intact without destruction. This is just one study which is a narrow source of information.
And trust me, I, being considered an Dravidian, should be the best person to support Aryan invasion theory. Cos political parties down south gain political mileage in that. But that's false from a lot of genetic studies done. Not one or two. But hundreads.

This is the latest most comprehensive and precise gentic research using eight parameter of y chromosome and as it is known invasion armies r mostly men migrants r a mix and y chromosome shows mostly men came came as for u weren't there but the genetic evidence was of that time ' as for your Vedas they also tells about war between flying talking monkey God's and 10 head demon's so don't take it as historic document

This is the latest most comprehensive and precise gentic research using eight parameter of y chromosome and as it is known invasion armies r mostly men migrants r a mix and y chromosome shows mostly men came came as for u weren't there but the genetic evidence was of that time ' as for your Vedas they also tells about war between flying talking monkey God's and 10 head demon's so don't take it as historic document

Fyi Aryan invasion theory means Aryans did invasion for which army is required

 

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"It used a panel of 16,244 male subjects from 126 populations across Eurasia."

What a big sample size to prove an hypothesis!

 

[Rajaraja Chola]

The latest study now point to AIT as scientific fact based on Y chromosome investigation. So the Aryan invaders were mostly males as 18% of all Indian males can trace their genetic marker to the Aryan invaders. This is iron clad scientific proof of Aryan invasion. So Aryan invasion is no longer a theory, it has been proven as a scientific fact. Conclusions from all previous studies are now invalidated by this study as this one deal with Y chromosome genetic marker.

http://time.com/4811136/fried-potatoes-mortality-study/

This is the latest most comprehensive and precise gentic research using eight parameter of y chromosome and as it is known invasion armies r mostly men migrants r a mix and y chromosome shows mostly men came came as for u weren't there but the genetic evidence was of that time ' as for your Vedas they also tells about war between flying talking monkey God's and 10 head demon's so don't take it as historic document


Fyi Aryan invasion theory means Aryans did invasion for which army is required

Lol people had made fun of Hanuman or monkey men's until modern people research and found out we did evolve from Apes. And that had been written and had happened thousands of years back.

I really dont understand the point of Pakistanis supporting Aryan theory. If that's true then IVC truely belongs to us, Dravidians.

 

[khanmubashir]

http://time.com/4811136/fried-potatoes-mortality-study/


Lol people had made fun of Hanuman or monkey men's until modern people research and found out we did evolve from Apes. And that had been written and had happened thousands of years back.

I really dont understand the point of Pakistanis supporting Aryan theory. If that's true then IVC truely belongs to us, Dravidians.

http://raiot.in/the-aryan-invasion-theory-is-finally-proven-right-science-1-hindu-right-wing-0/ your own media and intellectual

http://raiot.in/the-aryan-invasion-theory-is-finally-proven-right-science-1-hindu-right-wing-0/ your own media and intellectual

Does theory of evolution also explain flying monkey and 10 headed demon men

http://time.com/4811136/fried-potatoes-mortality-study/


Lol people had made fun of Hanuman or monkey men's until modern people research and found out we did evolve from Apes. And that had been written and had happened thousands of years back.

I really dont understand the point of Pakistanis supporting Aryan theory. If that's true then IVC truely belongs to us, Dravidians.

And that evolution happened millions of years ago not thousands and in Africa not India but perhaps it remains incomplete for u

 

[Kinetic]

Lmao.

Asshole, Sindhis are proud people and their state (country) has survived countless "invasion" unlike whichever orifice you pop out of.

What does a garlic curry know ability Fata? Other than getting ruled by the Pashtuns?

Say that crap in front of one and he will kick your rear in.

If you eat garlic curry your head would have contained some brain. lol

What kind of history you read, kid? Pashtuns are ruled by everyone and still Punjabis ruling them under the name of Pakistan. FATA voted against joining Pakistan, under the leadership of Forntier Gandhi.

Sindhis and Pashtuns are who are forcefully converted by the invaders.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

If you eat garlic curry your head would have contained some brain. lol

Sums up why you are such a retard.

What kind of history you read, kid? Pashtuns are ruled by everyone

And somehow they managed to rule you for centuries..

and still Punjabis ruling them under the name of Pakistan.

By the same logic your rear is being ruled by a Gujarati and a panjabi before that.

FATA voted against joining Pakistan, under the leadership of Forntier Gandhi.

Nice try at reinventing history.

Need me to remind you how Nehru was stoned and fired at by people of FATA? And how they asked for Jinnah?

Jinnah meeting tribal elders;

So called "frontier gandhi" was rejected by the people... and his relatives who founded ANP have been rejected by the people ..who voted for Imran Khans PTI instead.

Sindhis and Pashtuns are who are forcefully converted by the invaders.

And both kept their countries and Pashtuns ended up ruling you .. and much worse.. irony.

 

[Han Patriot]

The latest study now point to AIT as scientific fact based on Y chromosome investigation. So the Aryan invaders were mostly males as 18% of all Indian males can trace their genetic marker to the Aryan invaders. This is iron clad scientific proof of Aryan invasion. So Aryan invasion is no longer a theory, it has been proven as a scientific fact. Conclusions from all previous studies are now invalidated by this study as this one deal with Y chromosome genetic marker.

Hinduism itself was developed by the invaders to subjugate darker skinned natives, the Dravidians. Modern day Aryans are typically found in North West India and Pakistan. Even Gujaratis majority are dark skinned, Punjabis and Pakistanis are the most Caucasoid looking ones. You will realize all the good looking actors in Bollywood are
either Muslims or fair skinned brahmins.

There was a joke, if Pakistanis were Hindus, they would be higher caste than Indians.

 

[Kabira]

Perhaps Germans, Europeans and racist Whites are on the minds of Indians when they are so eager to dismiss Aryan invasion theory. May be some Goras were making fun of skin colour , looks and heights of Indians and the latter went into inferiority complex and tried to re-write history. Europeans and other westerns have stolen the concept and word of "Caucasoid" from Caucasus region of Asia and i am sure they will laugh and dismiss any true Caucasian (inhabitant of Caucasus) as genuine Caucasian. They have nothing to do with Caucasus and its races yet they are calling themselves Caucasoid race. Iranians with big noses have highest Caucasoid ancestry outside Caucasus and yet they will be called "Sand Niggers" by some stupid American. The concept that Aryan means Blue-eyed and blonde haired Germanic and Nordic person, is relatively recent European fabrication and i am sure they have stolen this concept from India and Persia. Even ancient Greek historians refer to present-day Afghanistan as Aryana so the concept of Aryan people existed back then.

They are not wrong though, original aryans were blue eyed whites and had features similar to europeans. Iranians have low amount of aryan ancestry, even Tamil Brahmins have more ancestry from steppe then average Iranian. Reason is caste system which is non-existent in Iran and population was pretty much same genetically across the board. Looking at genetics proto-indo-iranian population that migrated were not in huge numbers but they imposed their language and religion on natives.

 

[sinait]

Hinduism itself was developed by the invaders to subjugate darker skinned natives, the Dravidians.

Do you have any dates when this happened?
Or like everything here, people are flinging crap in the air hoping something would stick?
When genetic study showed there is no difference, how come the experts here come and preach the alternate?

What genetic study are you talking about? RSS sponsored studies?
https://hms.harvard.edu/news/genetics-proves-indian-population-mixture-8-8-13
Scientists from Harvard Medical School and the CSIR-Centre for Cellular and Molecular Biology in Hyderabad, India, provide evidence that modern-day India is the result of recent population mixture among divergent demographic groups.

Do you have any dates when this happened?

http://www.worldhindunews.com/2014/...india-it-was-never-used-to-describe-religion/
The word Hindu was used initially to describe the people of India; it was never used to describe religion.
The word Hinduism is a misnomer.
Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru:~ The word Hindu can be earliest traced to a source a tantrik in 8th century, and it was used initially to describe the people, it was never used to describe religion. (The discovery of India” on page -74 and -75)
According to Pundit Jawaharlal Nehru Its connection with religion is of late occurrence. The word Hinduism is derived from the word Hindu.

The word Hinduism was first used by the English writers in the 19th century to describe the multiplicity of faiths of the people of India.
In Encyclopaedia Britannica it says:~ The word Hinduism was first used by the British writers in the year 1830 to describe the multiplicity of the faiths of the people of India excluding the converted Christians. (Volume -20, Reference -581)

http://www.indianscriptures.com/vedic-society/myths-about-indi/origin-of-the-word-hindu-1
Origin of the word ‘Hindu’
Many scholars and historians have concluded that the word ‘Hindu’ was coined by the ancient invaders who could not accurately pronounce the name of the River Sindhu. According to Sir Monier Williams, the famous Sanskrit lexicographer, the words ‘Hindu’ and ‘India’ evidently do not possess any indigenous roots. Neither these words are found in any Buddhist or Jain texts, nor are they inscribed in any of the 23 official languages of India.

Many a scholar claim that the origin of the word ‘Hindu’ cannot be linked to Sanskrit language as there is no mention of it in any of the Vedic literature.

It is mentioned in Maharishi Shri Dayanand Saraswati Aur Unka Kaam (Edited by Lala Lajpat Rai, published in Lahore, 1898), that the name ‘Hindu’ is based on a derogatory meaning.
So, basically, ‘Hindu’ is merely an extension of a Muslim word that gained international recognition in the past 1300 years.
Hindu Kings in 1352 A.D.
Many archeologists claim that it was during 1352 A.D. when the Vedic kings of the Vijayanagara Empire increasingly started emphasizing on the word ‘Hindu’ with great pride and honor. Most specific amongst all was king Bukkal who described himself as ‘Hinduraya suratrana’.

http://wiki.c2.com/?BritishInvasionOfIndia
On the contrary, it was the British who united India under a single 'religion'. They changed the concept of 'Hindu' as a nationality. The entire Indian mosaic of races, cultures, gods, languages, etc., in short, people who lived on this subcontinent were known as Hindu.
.

 

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You name a religion only when you encounter a different one. Hindu became a religion only when the barbaric invaders came with their brutal ways to enforce an entirely alien culture and religion with them. There is still a saying used in North India "Maar maar musalmaan banana" (convert to islam through torture, a phrase to convey "forcing someone to do/act against their will).

 

[sinait]

I am talking about scientific proofs and you are quoting suppositions.
Do you know how many suppositions there are to the counter argument? They matter naught in the face of absence of proof.

Islamic barbarism of India - Fact, backed by scientific proofs.
Aryan Invasion - Crap flinged in the air by commies hoping for god knows what.

You probably don't even know that the word did not exist until Britishers came to India. The only religion that existed was 'sanathan dharma'.

The irony is that the only scientific proof that exists, done by Harvard is brushed under the carpet because it exposes the bottoms that spewed the Aryan theory crap.
I am confident the dumb idiots who are backing this theory, don't even know the meaning of world 'Aryan'

So where are your scientific proofs.
All I see are what you are spouting=proofs.
I am among those who don't know much about what is 'Aryan', don't bother me one bit.
Problem is Indians don't know as well.
They are not sure of their roots.
They are still debating on Indus Valley Civilization, Aryan Invasion, ANI, ASI, Origin of Caste System.

Supa Powa or a successful cocktail mix of whites and blacks that did not happen in the USA.
So much so that I think they introduced the Caste System to prevent further mixing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-39530215
Tarun Vijay sparks racism row: ‘We’ve south India... we live with black people’
“If we were racist, why would we have all the entire south…Tamil, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra…why do we live with them? We have black people around us,”
.

You name a religion only when you encounter a different one. Hindu became a religion only when the barbaric invaders came with their brutal ways to enforce an entirely alien culture and religion with them. There is still a saying used in North India "Maar maar musalmaan banana" (convert to islam through torture, a phrase to convey "forcing someone to do/act against their will).

History is full of violent incidents, sad.
.

 

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So where are your scientific proofs.
All I see are what you are spouting=proofs.
I am among those who don't know much about what is 'Aryan', don't bother me one bit.
Problem is Indians don't know as well.
They are not sure of their roots.
They are still debating on Indus Valley Civilization, Aryan Invasion, ANI, ASI, Origin of Caste System.

Supa Powa or a successful cocktail mix of whites and blacks that did not happen in the USA.
So much so that I think they introduced the Caste System to prevent further mixing.
http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-39530215
Tarun Vijay sparks racism row: ‘We’ve south India... we live with black people’
“If we were racist, why would we have all the entire south…Tamil, Kerala, Karnataka and Andhra…why do we live with them? We have black people around us,”
.


History is full of violent incidents, sad.
.

I don't give a flying FK about aryan, dravidian, martian or whatever theory. Point is - Hindu is a geographical as well as cultural word. People living between himalayas and Indian ocean, following similar set of cultural/social practices are Hindu. This set of culture/society doesn't exist anywhere else in the world. Hindu point of view does not conform to any other "foreign" born religion, and hence the foreign invaders termed us as Hindu (basically everyone that is not a Muslim/christian). While abrahamic religions talk about bowing to almighty god, "hindu" line of thought seek liberation. Everyone has the power to elevate himself/herself to the status of god (and hence we have thousands of gods/demigods - once mortal humans who reached a higher realm through their good deeds that gave them moksha/nirvana from the endless cycle of life and death).

 

[Han Patriot]

Do you have any dates when this happened?
Or like everything here, people are flinging crap in the air hoping something would stick?

When genetic study showed there is no difference, how come the experts here come and preach the alternate?
And the word 'subjugate', well, I hope you have some texts of this unknown people to confirm whether they were subjugated or integrated.
Do you think Chinese migrating in millions US is them subjugating the US whites?

Subjugation is what Islam did to us. The proponents of Islam invaded, killed, decapitated, raped and did the most barbaric & filthy things imaginable to us. That's what subjugation is. There are numerous texts backing up this subjugation. BUT for the crap you are flinging, I bet you can't show one scientific proof.

Bro,

If you migrate, do you bring your family? Your daughters and your wives? The funny thing is most of the Aryan gene is found on the male side. This only indicates one pattern, an invasion force. Hinduism itself already gave us a clue....the system is used to control the various races and subjugate them into believing its their karma to be black and slave. This form of enslavement is even worse than the American type, they enslaved your mind too.

 

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Bro,

If you migrate, do you bring your family? Your daughters and your wives? The funny thing is most of the Aryan gene is found on the male side. This only indicates one pattern, an invasion force. Hinduism itself already gave us a clue....the system is used to control the various races and subjugate them into believing its their karma to be black and slave. This form of enslavement is even worse than the American type, they enslaved your mind too.

What do you know about Hinduism? Bollocks!!

There is no concept of race in Hinduism (hinduism itself is not a religion). If you are talking about castes - you need to understand how it originated and how/when it became attached to birth at a much later stage.

 

[Han Patriot]

Bro,

No where else on earth Sanskrit is spoken.
No where else on earth do genes of Indians match.
No where else on earth do you find the same culture.

So, bro, where did the Aryans migrate from? When did they migrate? What happened to the people they migrated from?
Lack of proof usually means shit did not happen. If you want to stretch it, well, we can talk about China belonging to Dravidians and Chinese driving them out and how you should vacate your land for Dalits - Proof, well, you don't have proof either, do you?

1) Sanskrit is a standardised dialect of Old Indo-Aryan, having originated in the 2nd millennium BCE as Vedic Sanskrit and tracing its linguistic ancestry back to Proto-Indo-Iranian and Proto-Indo-European.

2) Go to the first page of this thread, the genetic study just told you the evidence about this.

3) Indian culture is a mixture of Dravidian and Aryan culture brought from Iran.

Aryans came from Asian steppes from Ukraine to North Iran. They didn't just migrate, these people were invaders, they basically invaded Eurasia and spread to the Indian subcontinent as well.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-European_migrations