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HOW DID INDIA AND PAKISTAN PULL THIS OFF ???

Pakistanis.

Please dispense with the 'incompetence' barbs. The IAF and IA are professional military forces as are the PAF and PA. Stick to arguing with the facts.
 
They're going to release it at the time of the Indian elections for maximum impact.

I fear the reverse: that we will see things released by the Indian side just a week or two to three days before the elections.
 
Drat! I knew those idiot pilots should have ejected, gone around from hut to hut, and dismantled JeM.
BTW, Pakistan NEVER supported JeM; Pakistan NEVER supports terrorist organisations. I am ashamed of you.
As for Kashmiri civilians, our business, leave us to sort it out as painlessly as possible.

Idiot pilots arent on a one man mission to do anything, this was the desired outcome and if the full mechanisation of the state couldnt do it then my point is proven

I was quoting Indian claims, your warmongering leaders demanding war achieved nothing

Kashmir is an international dispute by defintion, so your attempt to pacify (supress) Kashmiri civillians are not only our concern, but another goal which you failed to achieve

You were close enough to smell him? And identify his panic?

Why do you insist on making an exhibition of yourself?

Ah yes because smell is the only human sense

You're welcome.

Now do some basic math.: how long does it take to cover the distance from your side of the border to the point where your planes dropped their ordnance on forward headquarters?

I hope you don't mind cold showers even without the usual reason for one.

Relevant how? Pakistan stated it would retaliate soon, and infiltration should have been detected at the first sign. You didnt and ended up with a clear display of Pakistan's strike capabilities.

...and then to chase with decrepit soviet coffins resulting in them being shot down is nothing but incompetent as I originally stated
 
India lost 4 or 5 aircraft.
And 50 odd soldiers.
Pakistan downed only 2, the rest were by your own "bravehearts"while trying to escape the wrath of Thunders in a panic
Pakistan has lost none.
Pakistan lost 2 gunners and over a dozen women and children in various villages all along the LoC

It's not really funny. At least for India.
action and reaction, do not act like superpower (which you are not, never will be) and there will be no more tragedies
 
Hahaha ... yes, I am, please. Ignore the rabble-rousers for now.

Sir, this was for the gallery. A certain four-letter word wanted something to wave around (the next day, at a pre-election rally at Churu, Rajasthan, he did the equivalent of a victory lap). The service chiefs obliged; the cheapest thing to do was to target an abandoned camp with precision munition. The Air Force had no doubt that the PAF knows the exact CEP (Circular Error Probable) of these Spice bombs; the information would be shared immediately within the Pakistani establishment, there would be no casualties to be avenged as a matter of national honour, and the message would go home, with the least possible cost. AND four-letters would sleep well at night.

In my view, both sides went through an elaborate charade. There was some indisciplined breach of protocol due to the exchange of fire during the retributive PAF attack that was so careful to miss (by metres, not by miles, again demonstrating intent, but allowing the other side, in its turn, to save 'face'); that is still to be tidied up. No doubt we shall see that tidying up process during the weeks to come.

I am honestly disgusted with the abuse of the military by some four-lettered ones, but very impressed with the professional competence with which these supposed simple soldiers (airmen?) squared the circle.
 
Did you dismantle JeM? No
Did you stop "Pakistans support of JeM"? No
Did you prevent further violence from Kashmiri civillians? No

Bro, when you are at it, ask this old fool more bitter and direct questions:

Have you officially apologized to Sri Lanka and Pakistan for sponsoring terrorism in their countries for decades? No

Have you promised and guaranteed the countries in the region that you will stop sponsoring terrorism in their areas? No.


So what are you b!tching about? Walk the talk or STFU!
 
It is noted that in your view, the reports in these publications equate to those of military analysts. Not terribly surprising.

whose military analysts?
I am just saying that international media never takes Pakistan's side, yet here we are, international media saying that Pakistani versions of events are much closer to the truth than Indian version.
 
Idiot pilots arent on a one man mission to do anything, this was the desired outcome and if the full mechanisation of the state couldnt do it then my point is proven

Dismantling the JeM was the desired outcome of that air strike?

Thank you for confirming my suspicion that we are faced by more flash and very little ninja.

I was quoting Indian claims, your warmongering leaders demanding war achieved nothing

On the contrary, they got somnolent people to sit up smartly in their overpadded chairs.

Kashmir is an international dispute by defintion,

Your definition. You are welcome to step across and do something about your abundant concern. Or to send across suitable sacrificial goats.

so your attempt to pacify (supress) Kashmiri civillians are not only our concern, but another goal which you failed to achieve

If you consult your own military people, they will seat you down gently and explain patiently that a restless population does not respond to air strikes. Ask them how they know, but only after you have left their vicinity.

Ah yes because smell is the only human sense

Thank you. A brilliant explanation for why dogs sniff each other as they do; since they don't have what is restricted to humans, it doesn't matter for them.

Relevant how? Pakistan stated it would retaliate soon, and infiltration should have been detected at the first sign. You didnt and ended up with a clear display of Pakistan's strike capabilities.

Check where the air battle took place; if you are not being physically restrained and injected with mind-deadening chemicals, you can work it out (given a little time, say, a week or so).

...and then to chase with decrepit soviet coffins resulting in them being shot down is nothing but incompetent as I originally stated

One out of eight, and a mysterious pall of silence over the second pilot whom the usually so glib ISPR has shoved so firmly out of sight? Right; carry on.

whose military analysts?
I am just saying that international media never takes Pakistan's side, yet here we are, international media saying that Pakistani versions of events are much closer to the truth than Indian version.

If you're going to take my leg-pulling so seriously, I withdraw. I have too much affection and respect for you, and the decent bloke under your crusty exterior, to take it too far. Sorry for having been so mischievous.
 
Sir, this was for the gallery. A certain four-letter word wanted something to wave around (the next day, at a pre-election rally at Churu, Rajasthan, he did the equivalent of a victory lap). The service chiefs obliged; the cheapest thing to do was to target an abandoned camp with precision munition. The Air Force had no doubt that the PAF knows the exact CEP (Circular Error Probable) of these Spice bombs; the information would be shared immediately within the Pakistani establishment, there would be no casualties to be avenged as a matter of national honour, and the message would go home, with the least possible cost. AND four-letters would sleep well at night.

In my view, both sides went through an elaborate charade. There was some indisciplined breach of protocol due to the exchange of fire during the retributive PAF attack that was so careful to miss (by metres, not by miles, again demonstrating intent, but allowing the other side, in its turn, to save 'face'); that is still to be tidied up. No doubt we shall see that tidying up process during the weeks to come.

I am honestly disgusted with the abuse of the military by some four-lettered ones, but very impressed with the professional competence with which these supposed simple soldiers (airmen?) squared the circle.
I agree. It is quite hard for me to believe that Indian intelligence capabilities are so poor as to have not known that there was no useful target available. The intent was to obtain a P.R victory and let the media muddy the waters on whether anything was hit (the prompt release of casualty figures by anonymous government sources).

A very dangerous game though for the sake of P.R.
 
Dismantling the JeM was the desired outcome of that air strike?

Thank you for confirming my suspicion that we are faced by more flash and very little ninja.



On the contrary, they got somnolent people to sit up smartly in their overpadded chairs.



Your definition. You are welcome to step across and do something about your abundant concern. Or to send across suitable sacrificial goats.



If you consult your own military people, they will seat you down gently and explain patiently that a restless population does not respond to air strikes. Ask them how they know, but only after you have left their vicinity.



Thank you. A brilliant explanation for why dogs sniff each other as they do; since they don't have what is restricted to humans, it doesn't matter for them.



Check where the air battle took place; if you are not being physically restrained and injected with mind-deadening chemicals, you can work it out (given a little time, say, a week or so).



One out of eight, and a mysterious pall of silence over the second pilot whom the usually so glib ISPR has shoved so firmly out of sight? Right; carry on.



If you're going to take my leg-pulling so seriously, I withdraw. I have too much affection and respect for you, and the decent bloke under your crusty exterior, to take it too far. Sorry for having been so mischievous.

sorry, long day at work. was too tired to read the sarcasm.
carry on :taz:
 
I agree. It is quite hard for me to believe that Indian intelligence capabilities are so poor as to have not known that there was no useful target available. The intent was to obtain a P.R victory and let the media muddy the waters on whether anything was hit (the prompt release of casualty figures by anonymous government sources).

A very dangerous game though for the sake of P.R.

Horribly irresponsible. And exactly what we have gone through for four years and more while you have been laughing your heads off - that was really unkind, considering you are just emerging from such moronic leadership yourselves.

sorry, long day at work. was too tired to read the sarcasm.
carry on :taz:

No, it palls unless there are nice people to tease. Apologies for the bad jokes!
 
sorry, long day at work. was too tired to read the sarcasm.
carry on :taz:

Among all the blabber that he posts, the message he conveys is very simple: Come what may, he will not condemn Indian cross-border terrorism. Neither will he demand from his govt to apologize to countries in the region who have been victims of Indian terrorism.

But he will keep expecting others to respect him as some kind of "peacenik" and that others accept his accusations without any tangible evidence. Just like for Samjhota, Malegaun etc.

This is Indian logic.

And as we know, Indian Logic is antonym to Logic.
 
Pakistan downed only 2, the rest were by your own "bravehearts"while trying to escape the wrath of Thunders in a panic
Pakistan lost 2 gunners and over a dozen women and children in various villages all along the LoC

action and reaction, do not act like superpower (which you are not, never will be) and there will be no more tragedies
What were Pakistani losses?
 

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