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How America is hastily exiting Afghanistan, leaving it to the the Taliban, China and Pakistan

Whats all the fuss about?
US coalition is just leaving a foreign country. So that the country can shape itself within itself. Why are these Kabulis Whining about?
USA is not arming the Taliban or giving them financial Aid. If they are the representative of People and popular Government why are they afraid of Some Militants?
Their Whining tells a lot about what is actually situation in Afghanistan and What they claim with Indian Mouth piece media
 
it was someone like trump in waiting to break the talks and it was one like him (his opponents in US also know) the perfect one for this development. call him stupid or clever he is the right person to deal with so far as Taliban are concerned and they too know it very well the time is now before elections in US. the way he has put the protocol, logic and the diplomacy on the back burner to come up with Afghan resolution is not a American style. it is the time now to withdraw with a face saving, although Pakistan who sustain and wait for 17 years can sustain more and still could face save for US.

India somewhere had it in their mind gradually developed that this is not their game although they work hard but diplomacy does not work always, they need to be there to make it realize to the Afghan public. enclaves, intelligence offices, a library (Indians can sum up better) cannot bring results but their investments in US Houses may bring a pie for them which will be only for a honeymoon period after the withdrawal.

govt in Afghanistan never ready for a take over of the country without US assistance, withdrawal for them is their biggest nightmare had they learn earlier but the time is over now. selling yourself earlier and now willing to have your say in talks with Taliban, they lost the chance, had they read the writings on the wall and keep trying to engage with Taliban, a political stance, even with no results instead of solely partner with US. Ashraf Ghani blaming Pakistan a couple of days back “keys to war are in Islamabad, Quetta, Rawalpindi” is their frustration at the high time. they did not friend with Pakistan, we may have had them learn how to deal with Taliban.
 
However you slice and dice it... its obvious that the Kabul govt, despite tens of billions of help to build 'institutions' and security forces, is feeling insecure. Why, you must ask? Are 17 years not enough to sort things out? Was Pakistan's help to the Talibans THAT much of a factor to effectively reduce the clout of the Kabul govt--a govt backed by the mightiest military power in the world and that power's allies. I mean Pakistan could not possibly send fighter aircrafts or tanks to buttress its supposed allies the Afghani Talibans...
The only conclusion is that, while it's admirable that there is much social progress in Afghanistan, which would not be possible under the medieval Talibans, the ruling junta in Afghanistan is either grossly incompetent or grossly corrupt--or both. For who has not see the infighting between the major actors in the current ruling junta in Afghanistan?
As to the future... I don't think Afghanistan is the same as that of September 2001. The Talibans are certainly more than a nuisance. But I don't think their ideology will resonate even half as much as it may have in the 90's. So Pakistanis here should not play the drumbeats of victory just yet--or perhaps never should. I don't see a victory in sight. More like back to the same old: Factional wars.
 
This is the biggest problem for India. What America did for us, we return accordingly. As of India still many things due and we are waiting for right time.
When US will leave pak can counter them easily they r no issue anymore
 
Afghans thought US will be baby sitting them for ever and they keep getting dollar bags, every party ends sometime
Afghans? Which Afghans? The real Afghans are directly talking to USA. And those who are in "govt", they are nothing but USA prisoners.
 
I doubt Afghanis want foreign influence of any country whether it is Pakistan, India or America honestly they should be left to decide their future.
 
You can call it a conspiracy theory but in my humble opinion, US will now disengage from every conventional war for some years to collect the muscles for a great war. We can call it an Armageddon. Zionists are planning to do something after shifting embassies to Jerusalem.
 
You couldn't do jack-shi.t in 20-years and here you trying to pass smart arse comments. Why can't you not contribute something positive to this thread that makes sense rather than arse-talking garbage like every dic.k and harry indian on this forum?
Here is a free tip - India start negotiation with the real puppet master Pakistan, and come up with something mutually beneficial to both countries that improves the lives of ordinary indian and Pakistan people greatly? Can you and others like suggest this? Probably not cause you jack-arses are so confused by your Brahamin Ruling junta that you don't even know where your arses are located.
I am with you.
But India's experience of negotiations with pakistan is uniformly bad. 1999 got us kargil..A peacenik pm like manmohan Singh brought us Mumbai massacre.
How about Pakistan starts the ball rolling by handing over dawoid ebrahim and saeed to India.? Then we will know that Pakistan is not back to its old tricks again.
 
I am with you.
But India's experience of negotiations with pakistan is uniformly bad. 1999 got us kargil..A peacenik pm like manmohan Singh brought us Mumbai massacre.
How about Pakistan starts the ball rolling by handing over dawoid ebrahim and saeed to India.? Then we will know that Pakistan is not back to its old tricks again.

Fate of Billions of people cannot depend on a few losers like Dawoid Eb...m and others here and there. Both countries need to start negotiations from a CLEAN SLATE - no preconditions. Cause it is only due to pre-conditions that lives of so many people are still miserable and issues still unresolved.
 
Exclusive - Once spoiler, Pakistan starts behind-scenes aid to U.S.-Taliban talks



WASHINGTON/PESHAWAR, Pakistan (Reuters) - Pakistan, long at odds with the United States over the war in Afghanistan, has begun to play a behind-the-scenes but central role in supporting U.S. peace talks with the Afghan Taliban, including by facilitating travel to negotiations, U.S. officials and Taliban sources tell Reuters.

The Pakistani assistance, which has not been reported in such detail before, also includes exerting pressure on Taliban leaders who fail to cooperate, including by detaining members of the militants’ families, the insurgents say.

The Pakistani role in the peace negotiations is a delicate one, with Islamabad seeking to avoid demonstrating the kind of broad influence over the Taliban that Washington has long accused it of having. Sources caution its help could be temporary.

The Taliban also do not want to appear beholden to Islamabad, which has long denied U.S. accusations that it provides safe haven and assistance to insurgents as a way to preserve influence in neighbouring Afghanistan throughout its more than 17-year-old war.

President Donald Trump has repeatedly signalled his intention to wind down America’s longest conflict, declaring this week in his State of the Union address that “great nations do not fight endless wars.”

One senior U.S. official, who declined to be identified, said of Pakistan’s role in the talks: “We know it just wouldn’t be possible without their support.”

“They’ve facilitated some movement and travel to the discussions in Doha,” the official said.

Trump’s administration has accelerated talks for a political settlement in Afghanistan. U.S. peace envoy Zalmay Khalilzad held six days of talks - perhaps the most productive to date - with the Taliban in Doha last month and is due to meet Taliban representatives again on Feb. 25.

Taliban sources said Pakistan’s role in bringing the Taliban to the negotiating table was instrumental. In one instance, Islamabad sent a message to the militants through religious leaders that they had to talk to the United States or risk a cut-off in ties.




They detained Taliban members’ families as a way to pressure them, a Taliban leader told Reuters.

“I haven’t seen Pakistan so serious before,” the senior Taliban leader said.

The Taliban leader, who declined to be named, said Pakistan had kept “unprecedented pressure” on the militants and their close relatives over the past few months.

“They made it clear to us that we (Taliban) have to talk to the U.S. and Afghan government,” the Taliban leader said.

U.S. General Joseph Votel, who leads the U.S. military’s Central Command, hinted at some kind of Pakistani assistance in a Senate hearing this week, saying Islamabad had “played a more helpful role.”

To be sure, current and former U.S. officials still are highly sceptical of Islamabad and do not see any steps by Pakistan that could not be easily reversed.

Washington appears for now to be sticking to a total freeze in U.S. assistance to Islamabad imposed over a year ago over its alleged support to the Taliban. Trump at the time accused Islamabad of rewarding past U.S. aid with “nothing but lies & deceit.”

“There’s some self-interest obviously involved here ... I would be wary of taking that and extrapolating off that and saying they’re now on board with the peace process,” said Jason Campbell, who was the Pentagon’s Afghanistan country director until last year.


PULLOUT PRESSURE
Pakistani sources suggest that the driver behind their country’s support for the talks is not U.S. aid but growing concerns over the regional economic shockwaves that could follow an abrupt U.S. pullout from Afghanistan.

Those concerns have been strengthened by Trump’s surprise decision in December to withdraw completely from Syria, despite objections from the Pentagon.

There are only about 14,000 U.S. troops in Afghanistan at the moment, but their presence ensures a continuous flow of U.S. financial assistance to Afghanistan.

Islamabad, running short of foreign exchange reserves and in talks with the International Monetary Fund over what would be its 13th bailout since the 1980s, says it cannot afford to see Afghanistan slide into chaos just as Pakistan is trying to attract foreign investors to shore up its own economy.

“That is our main worry in all of this,” said a senior official who is closely involved in cross-border relations.

“We have enough economic issues of our own to deal with already.”

One of the most notable public signs of Pakistan’s willingness to aid the negotiations was the release of Taliban leader Mullah Abdul Ghani Baradar.

Now the newly appointed chief negotiator, Baradar is expected to fly from Pakistan to attend the next round of negotiations in Doha on Feb. 25.


Dan Feldman, a former U.S. special representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan, said he believed Washington was still hesitant to become too hopeful about Pakistan’s change in posture.

“There is cautious appreciation for the fact that Pakistan has seemingly done more than before to be helpful,” Feldman said, before adding that it did not “suggest a sea change in Pakistan’s position.”

Reporting by Phil Stewart and Idrees Ali in Washington and Jibran Ahmad in Peshawar, Pakistan; Additional reporting by James Mackenzie in Islamabad and Jonathan Landay in Washington; Editing by James Dalgleish

https://af.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idAFKCN1PX0EX
 
Pakistan is winning on her firm stance in Afghanistan and it must be well promulgate with waves around the globe again and again. not only will be enormous the strategic and economic benefits but also belittle those who have done a damage to conspire the repute.
 
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