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hi guys I think we need this thread.. because its going bad with all this anti turkish propaganda on news..

specially here in germany from radio to TV and internet its full of hostile propaganda against us..

Post cold-war because us Muslims were harsh to the USSR we are now being removed from our cold-war allies (UK/Germany/Netherlands/US) . Unfortunately in the place of Muslims there are now Chinese / Indians (in universities, workplace etc.).

It would have been better if it was beautiful fair Russian people instead of Chinese & Indians.

The media is merely a reflection of what is happening. I can explain the deeper causes (at the grass roots level) if any one is interested (hint : improving quality of life of Europeans as opposed to hindering it).
 
Post cold-war because us Muslims were harsh to the USSR we are now being removed from our cold-war allies (UK/Germany/Netherlands/US) . Unfortunately in the place of Muslims there are now Chinese / Indians (in universities, workplace etc.).

It would have been better if it was beautiful fair Russian people instead of Chinese & Indians.

The media is merely a reflection of what is happening. I can explain the deeper causes (at the grass roots level) if any one is interested (hint : improving quality of life of Europeans as opposed to hindering it).

Right. That's a problem of honor and some tradition.
Chinese and Indians worked as clerks everywhere, hided themselves but were very disciplined.
Our Pakistan and Turkish Students were to proud and like candles in the night, obvious to everybody.
 
Germany prohibited today sign of Grey Wolves. Showing in public will be punished.
Announcement was just made by German Federal Minister of Interior. He compared Grey Wolves sign with fascists.

Source N24 Tv reffering minister Maiziere.

Not a single result have I found on Google. Seems like BS.
 
Not a single result have I found on Google. Seems like BS.

Keep polite level !

Pls. Try a better search and listen N24 . It will be punished and never try manipulating people here with manipulative interpretation

IT IS CLEAR STATEMENT

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 20:33 Uhr

http://www.nachrichten.at/nachricht...lfsgruss-und-Vierfinger-Zeichen;art17,2511209


Clear PKK and Cem's stupid influence. He is real stupid guy. Simple and without background poupulistic politician , happy to have a Cuban warm womb.

Innenminister Thomas de Maiziere (CDU) warnte nun, das Zeigen des Wolfsgrußes sei ein Grund für ein Verbot von Wahlkampfauftritten. "Es gibt ganz klare Grenzen, an denen auch meine Toleranz endet", sagte de Maiziere.

@what

I have much better to do than discuss with people who have low historical background and are only amused by symbols and fetishes.

" Our great leader Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk warned Afghan King - never touch women clothings - the Afghan King touched them and rahmetli ATATÜRK said - "his country will collapse "! That is ATATÜRK's secular and genious mind !

Follow my posts and links and learn. Learning never ends.

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Right. That's a problem of honor and some tradition.
Chinese and Indians worked as clerks everywhere, hided themselves but were very disciplined.
Our Pakistan and Turkish Students were to proud and like candles in the night, obvious to everybody.

This is NOT the time to congratulate yourselves and pat yourselves on the back, perhaps? Just because we are innocent does not mean that perhaps we the Turks & Pakistanis need Allah SWT's aid.
Have you not read what Sulaiman RA said, "Pride comes before non-rise, and humility comes before honor/praise".
He also said "When God/Allah SWT takes pleasure in a people's ways He turns their enemies into friends". If He does not take pleasure in the ways of a people he turns even their own against one another.
It is not about being "disciplined" or "tradition" or "working as clerks" or "hiding" etc.
If you want God/Allah SWT's help then love the people you live amongst and love each other, give each other freedoms and be generous to one another (the Turks already know that and practice that).
 
Keep polite level !

Pls. Try a better search and listen N24 . It will be punished and never try manipulating people here with manipulative interpretation

IT IS CLEAR STATEMENT

Dienstag, 14. März 2017, 20:33 Uhr

http://www.nachrichten.at/nachricht...lfsgruss-und-Vierfinger-Zeichen;art17,2511209


Clear PKK and Cem's stupid influence. He is real stupid guy. Simple and without background poupulistic politician , happy to have a Cuban warm womb.

Innenminister Thomas de Maiziere (CDU) warnte nun, das Zeigen des Wolfsgrußes sei ein Grund für ein Verbot von Wahlkampfauftritten. "Es gibt ganz klare Grenzen, an denen auch meine Toleranz endet", sagte de Maiziere.

@what

I have much better to do than discuss with people who have low historical background and are only amused by symbols and fetishes.

" Our great leader Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk warned Afghan King - never touch women clothings - the Afghan King touched them and rahmetli ATATÜRK said - "his country will collapse "! That is ATATÜRK's secular and genious mind !

Follow my posts and links and learn. Learning never ends.

@Neptune @Jackal131

The austrian article you quoted (I still cant find any well know respectable german source btw) says that using that sign will get not be allowed during campaigns. It does not say that you can be punished for it. That sign is not punishable in Germany.


So quit using obscure sources and twisting facts and accusing others of being PKK supporters and learn to read carefully.
 
Right. That's a problem of honor and some tradition.
Chinese and Indians worked as clerks everywhere, hided themselves but were very disciplined.
Our Pakistan and Turkish Students were to proud and like candles in the night, obvious to everybody.

no you dont shut up because some white german thinks he is better than you because he is blond and white.. that hits their ego..

also its because we are muslims.. they have a deep grudge against muslims.. and further indians and chinese arn't muslims thats a good thing in their eyes.. (if they would eliminate us they would make them to enemies too I dont know if slit eyes are worther for them or brown skin color.. who knows)


" Our great leader Gazi Mustafa Kemal Atatürk warned Afghan King - never touch women clothings - the Afghan King touched them and rahmetli ATATÜRK said - "his country will collapse "! That is ATATÜRK's secular and genious mind !

fairy tails..
 
no you dont shut up because some white german thinks he is better than you because he is blond and white.. that hits their ego..

Amazing ! such honestly amongst the Turkish people! that is why you are a great people. But the Turks & Muslims have to realize that if we are to maintain the tradition of the Prophet Muhammad SAW of wanting justice, equity , goodness, heaven for all then we must also realize that all people ought to be blonde & white . It is not about just shutting up and pretending to massage someone else's ego. It is about recognizing the truth as truth and then adhering to the truth and spreading the truth and embarcing it (and recognizing falsehood as false and avoiding it).

also its because we are muslims.. they have a deep grudge against muslims.. and further indians and chinese arn't muslims thats a good thing in their eyes.. (if they would eliminate us they would make them to enemies too I dont know if slit eyes are worther for them or brown skin color.. who knows)


Perhaps it is not just merely about Muslims and non Muslims .
Some of the Christians realize that we are with the religion of Ibrahim RA and these people support us (the Protestant Christians & the Roman Catholics and even some Greek Orthodox & almost all Jews).

The issue perhaps is this :
(1) we were unkind to the USSR (USSR is basically they are Communist / Secular but they still have sympathies with Christianity; somewhat perhaps like secular Turkey & Islam as an explanatory analogy).
(2) the USSR & Russians are still suffering because of the cold-war BUT at the same time we are suffering now the same way the Communists were suffering (alienation, infamy, loss of friends, not so strong armed forces, not so much prosperity) ; nonetheless what is happening is this : instead of the Russians replacing us in the West the Indians & Chinese are replacing them (be it in academia or workplace or even in geographic neighborhoods). That is not good for Russia, not good for the west and not good for the Muslims. Please note, that we wish the Indians & Chinese the best life also but not at the expense of white people (like many Turks / Russians & many Muslims / Arabs / Pakistanis / Iranians etc. ).
(3) some of us Muslims when we are not nice (perhaps) become insecure and start telling people not to go on dates or live life (actually we Muslims do not know how to live life because we are always praying and reading the quran). We perhaps (maybe) don't know how to make life healthy and beautiful and worth living. For example : going to an amusement park and going on a roller coaster or white water rafting or going to Disney World is a part of "living" life. It involves excitement and fun and laughter and it adds to life. How come we do not know how to make life interesting like that ? instead we are preventing people from living life (judging and scolding and abusing people who we see as un Islamic; this is how the polytheist behaves and some Pakistanis behave this way by calling each other "psych-" or some other abusive name or being not nice to each other) .

The Europeans (or any human beings) do not like it if you hinder their quality of life. For wrongs less than this the Jews were expelled from Europe (the Jews did not hinder them from living, the Jews simply were not good looking/ white enough for them and they were accidentally caught in a cross fire). The Muslims were not always like this : we made life interesting when we permitted people to have four wives and concubines (like the Prophets). All the Europeans were interested in Islam and wanted to imitate it so they started dating (where you can make love to as many women as you want / unlimited and you don't even have to marry them). Then recently the westerners started "tinder" where meeting and making love to women is like a game. What do some Muslims do as a response ? some of them they start looking down upon people. Like the polytheist some of us are rude and behave unkindly to one another by calling each other "psych-" or some other abusive name. Then like the polytheist we get envio-s and start calling people who have multiple lovers bad names (and saying bad things like oh they will become not healthy etc.) . That is not how the Prophets behaved. If you start calling western women bad names or western men with multiple lovers bad names then it is the beginning of trouble .

The Prophets and their children and wives and the Muslims and Sahaba were nice and forgiving and generous. Remember how bibi Sara gave her own maid Hajira to Hazrat Ibrahim RA as a gift (for Hazrath Ibrahim to make love to). How many women (Muslim) will do that for their husbands? Today a femal acquaintence does not want to hire a swedish nanny because she is afraid of her husband getting distracted!?! she is unfortunately willing to sacrifice the well being of her children and her own life because she is afraid of imagined competition from a nanny? That is how we have picked up bad habits from the polytheist neighbors to the East. When Islam was rising all the world would talk about how we had a great quality of life : we had hamams (public baths) and we had harems (lots of beautiful women as lovers; multiple marriages is not ideal like dating but it is better than no or just one wife) and we had fast horses (arabian horses, the best in the world) and we built great palaces (mahals) and we had social security for the poor (zakath/ jizya) and we had excellent education (madrassah and masjid). Now saunas and jacuzzis and multiple lovers, and fast cars are in the West. Now "how to live life" and live it well is practiced in the best countries in the world of the West. It can happen again for us but we have to have God/ Allah SWT's blessings and right spirit and guidance.
 
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The austrian article you quoted (I still cant find any well know respectable german source btw) says that using that sign will get not be allowed during campaigns. It does not say that you can be punished for it. That sign is not punishable in Germany.


So quit using obscure sources and twisting facts and accusing others of being PKK supporters and learn to read carefully.

Jetzt wird er richtig deutlich: Jenseits dieser Toleranz liege es, "wenn die Strafbarkeitsgrenze erreicht ist, wenn türkische Minister hier den Wolfsgruß zeigen".

Limit for punishment is the sign of the wolfves .......

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...iziere-trifft-islam-vertreter_id_6790016.html

What now ? How do you understand that official statement ?

Why are Aussi articles not accepted. Now read the German FOCUS.
Maybe there is also some video archive.
 
What now ? How do you understand that official statement ?
Why are Aussi articles not accepted. Now read the German FOCUS.
Maybe there is also some video archive.

I would love to read this further but don't know that much german, yet.

What you are saying is mostly correct.
Don't let the skeptics silence you but express yourself openly Sir.
Instincts and "revelation" and "epiphanies" and ideas are very important and should be
respected in any exchange and people should not demand "scientific evidence" or
"scholarly references" or "references" when a statement is made.
Looking for references slows the exchange and discourages the messenger.
The messenger must be respected and communicated with in a kind and honest
and gentle and accepting manner , NOT with skepticism. We can get skepticism from our enemies
but we don't want / expect doubtful questioning and criticism from our own.

Our own should not be demanding references are accusing us of wrong in front of everyone
but gently kindly temper any emotionally charged statements.
We all love that is good and we want what is good to triumph.
 
I would love to read this further but don't know that much german, yet.

What you are saying is mostly correct.
Don't let the skeptics silence you but express yourself openly Sir.
Instincts and "revelation" and "epiphanies" and ideas are very important and should be
respected in any exchange and people should not demand "scientific evidence" or
"scholarly references" or "references" when a statement is made.
Looking for references slows the exchange and discourages the messenger.
The messenger must be respected and communicated with in a kind and honest
and gentle and accepting manner , NOT with skepticism. We can get skepticism from our enemies
but we don't want / expect doubtful questioning and criticism from our own.

Our own should not be demanding references are accusing us of wrong in front of everyone
but gently kindly temper any emotionally charged statements.
We all love that is good and we want what is good to triumph.

Dutch ? Short queation answerede blured up with non existent philosophical arguments, noboady wants read
 
Now .

I begin publish names names of violent DUTCH police in Rotterdam
IK from TKdag (female horse ride), AL from Yozgat ( Bearded Police and translator), Hk from Izmir ( Dog master with beard)

partly married with Durch colleagues

I am capable to publish open names. But that's not my job .

Ethics and other would punish me


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Jetzt wird er richtig deutlich: Jenseits dieser Toleranz liege es, "wenn die Strafbarkeitsgrenze erreicht ist, wenn türkische Minister hier den Wolfsgruß zeigen".

Limit for punishment is the sign of the wolfves .......

http://www.focus.de/politik/deutsch...iziere-trifft-islam-vertreter_id_6790016.html

What now ? How do you understand that official statement ?

Why are Aussi articles not accepted. Now read the German FOCUS.
Maybe there is also some video archive.

I googled a few times yesterday and couldnt find anything, honestly. But the sign is still not illegal in Germany, its not criminalized like the "Führer-Gruß".
 

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