HJ 12 E Anti Tank Next Gen Fire and forget missile launchers for Pakistan army

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Turkey has equivalent Systems too! there is one from South Korea as well. actually there are many systems similar to the Javelin on the market now!

I think This system OMTAS is an excellent replacement for legacy systems like TOW and HJ-8

 

[Great Janjua]

Turkey has equivalent Systems too! there is one from South Korea as well. actually there are many systems similar to the Javelin on the market now!

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I think This system OMTAS is an excellent replacement for legacy systems like TOW and HJ-8

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I think Omtas was trialled in PK but nothing came afterwards.

As for Karaok, it's simply just a beast that thing given to soldiers on loc would be a nightmare for the Indians.

Pakistan should go for tot on Karaok IMHO.

 

[Great Janjua]

Also, I think it is high time we find a "Partner" system to work alongside the RPGs we have in our inventory. Let's be real RPG is best used for harassing and general ambushes it loses accuracy when engaging at medium to long distances.

For that, we need something like the Carl Gustav but sadly since we play the game of 'not buying the same weapon my enemy has' we can seriously evaluate the "Chinese" Carl Gustav.

For now, it's in its final testing process heck it has not even gotten a name just an XYZ project stamped on. However, some details have been released like it is an 84mm weapon system capable of bunker-busting, anti-tank role with a range of 1000m including a ballistics computer capable of day and night engagement.

Am not saying we phase out the RPGs but we should at least have something heavy to rectify where the RPG falls short mainly that pesky 40mm RPG warhead.


@Sainthood 101 @Zarvan @Areesh
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[Sayfullah]

As for Karaok, it's simply just a beast that thing given to soldiers on loc would be a nightmare for the Indians.

Using them on loc would be kinda a waste because loc they’ll use those missiles to hit stationary bunkers. Pakistan can use some heavier rpg variant that does enough damage as a atgm but is much cheaper for loc.
Karaok I think it’s more like NLAW. It would be a nightmare for Indian armoured formations during war.

Also, I think it is high time we find a "Partner" system to work alongside the RPGs we have in our inventory. Let's be real RPG is best used for harassing and general ambushes it loses accuracy when engaging at medium to long distances.

For that, we need something like the Carl Gustav but sadly since we play the game of 'not buying the same weapon my enemy has' we can seriously evaluate the "Chinese" Carl Gustav.

For now, it's in its final testing process heck it has not even gotten a name just an XYZ project stamped on. However, some details have been released like it is an 84mm weapon system capable of bunker-busting, anti-tank role with a range of 1000m including a ballistics computer capable of day and night engagement.

Am not saying we phase out the RPGs but we should at least have something heavy to rectify where the RPG falls short mainly that pesky 40mm RPG warhead.


@Sainthood 101 @Zarvan @Areesh
@iLION12345_1

This would be a nightmare for Indians on loc. Also we should look into thermobaric rpg like Russians have. Those would one shot kill everyone in the bunker no matter how fortified it is. These would make it real hell for Indians on loc.

 

[IblinI]

we can seriously evaluate the "Chinese" Carl Gustav.

For now, it's in its final testing process heck it has not even gotten a name just an XYZ project stamped on. However, some details have been released like it is an 84mm weapon system capable of bunker-busting, anti-tank role with a range of 1000m including a ballistics computer capable of day and night engagement.

They just posted yesterday and you already know the details without understanding Chinese, I am suprised.

I like the ballistics computer intergrated optics (infra,laser) with a wide varity of ammiuntion, its going to play a important role in PLA army squad.

 

[RAMPAGE]

Also, I think it is high time we find a "Partner" system to work alongside the RPGs we have in our inventory. Let's be real RPG is best used for harassing and general ambushes it loses accuracy when engaging at medium to long distances.

For that, we need something like the Carl Gustav but sadly since we play the game of 'not buying the same weapon my enemy has' we can seriously evaluate the "Chinese" Carl Gustav.

For now, it's in its final testing process heck it has not even gotten a name just an XYZ project stamped on. However, some details have been released like it is an 84mm weapon system capable of bunker-busting, anti-tank role with a range of 1000m including a ballistics computer capable of day and night engagement.

Am not saying we phase out the RPGs but we should at least have something heavy to rectify where the RPG falls short mainly that pesky 40mm RPG warhead.


@Sainthood 101 @Zarvan @Areesh
@iLION12345_1

The Carl Gustav requires a team of two soldiers to fire. I do not think the RPG, which can be fired by a single soldier, and the Carl Gustav are substitutes for one another. Ideally, we should have both. There are RPG variants, such as the PSLR-1, that offer better accuracy.

 

[emotionless_teenage]

Yes you can say that but when pak army shows you the truth you have no words to reply to me

Believe it or not

Yeah and a broken clock is right twice a day and if you keep throwing turds on the wall some will bound to stick.

Also guys like you are the reason why I use adblock on my computer. You're not gonna get a cent off from me with your youtube channel that ripped off other people content without as much as giving them credits

 

[iLION12345_1]

Also, I think it is high time we find a "Partner" system to work alongside the RPGs we have in our inventory. Let's be real RPG is best used for harassing and general ambushes it loses accuracy when engaging at medium to long distances.

For that, we need something like the Carl Gustav but sadly since we play the game of 'not buying the same weapon my enemy has' we can seriously evaluate the "Chinese" Carl Gustav.

For now, it's in its final testing process heck it has not even gotten a name just an XYZ project stamped on. However, some details have been released like it is an 84mm weapon system capable of bunker-busting, anti-tank role with a range of 1000m including a ballistics computer capable of day and night engagement.

Am not saying we phase out the RPGs but we should at least have something heavy to rectify where the RPG falls short mainly that pesky 40mm RPG warhead.


@Sainthood 101 @Zarvan @Areesh
@iLION12345_1

PA already employs large numbers of Alcotan 100 launchers.

 

[Super Falcon]

Yeah and a broken clock is right twice a day and if you keep throwing turds on the wall some will bound to stick.

Also guys like you are the reason why I use adblock on my computer. You're not gonna get a cent off from me with your youtube channel that ripped off other people content without as much as giving them credits

Even I feel don't feel good to reply you who have no respect for others and complaining all the time

And who who are you I'm saying to contribute to YouTube channel

If you don't have something good to say than better don't say it

PA already employs large numbers of Alcotan 100 launchers.

Bro ALCOTAN launchers are like M1 Law light weight disposable not meant to destroy heavy armour

 

[Path-Finder]

I think Omtas was trialled in PK but nothing came afterwards.

not aware of any trial other than it was on display in IDEAS 18.

 

[iLION12345_1]

Even I feel don't feel good to reply you who have no respect for others and complaining all the time

And who who are you I'm saying to contribute to YouTube channel

If you don't have something good to say than better don't say it


Bro ALCOTAN launchers are like M1 Law light weight disposable not meant to destroy heavy armour

…ALCOTAN has penetration in excess of 700MM against targets with ERA. That’s nearly double what the Carl Gustaf or M72 LAW are capable of and also more than the tandem charge PG7VR RPG-7. It will go through a T72s front armor like butter, even with ERA. It also has a computerized FCS that the Gustaf lacks.
If you think it’s not meant to destroy heavy armor then you need to do some basic research.

Beyond that, none of these are proper ATGMs like HJ8, TOW or HJ-12. PA is yet to procure modern Top-attack ATGMs but is in the process of doing so, HJ-10 would be my first guess, a Turkish system may also be possible but less likely due to the Z-10ME purchase over the T-129B.

 

[Yasser76]

…ALCOTAN has penetration in excess of 700MM against targets with ERA. That’s nearly double what the Carl Gustaf or M72 LAW are capable of and also more than the tandem charge PG7VR RPG-7. It will go through a T72s front armor like butter, even with ERA. It also has a computerized FCS that the Gustaf lacks.
If you think it’s not meant to destroy heavy armor then you need to do some basic research.

Beyond that, none of these are proper ATGMs like HJ8, TOW or HJ-12. PA is yet to procure modern Top-attack ATGMs but is in the process of doing so, HJ-10 would be my first guess, a Turkish system may also be possible but less likely due to the Z-10ME purchase over the T-129B.

If the performance of light anti-tank NLAWS in Ukraine is anything to go by you are 100% correct. It really does seem as if modern light western anti-tank rounds are making mincemeat out of Russian Armour. I think PA is learning these lessons as you look at how AK II and VT-4 are armoured now, in the past I think PA was more focused on speed of it's tanks but a combination of heavy armour tanks and ambush teams equipped with ALCOTANs may prove very effective against the Indian Army

 

[Great Janjua]

The Carl Gustav requires a team of two soldiers to fire. I do not think the RPG, which can be fired by a single soldier, and the Carl Gustav are substitutes for one another. Ideally, we should have both. There are RPG variants, such as the PSLR-1, that offer better accuracy.

That I said a Partner system to complement where the RPG falls short.

PA already employs large numbers of Alcotan 100 launchers.

Alcotan is a single shot this chinese system is reusable just like the Carl Gustav.

 

[RAMPAGE]

That I said a Partner system to complement where the RPG falls short.


Alcotan is a single shot this chinese system is reusable just like the Carl Gustav.

I think I did not read your full post. I was probably half-asleep, lol.

 

[Great Janjua]

Everyone is just straight-up forgetting the difference between a reusable and a Single-shot system. I think this discussion should unfortunately end right here no point in carrying on.

Alcotan, NLAW, AT4 are all single-shot disposable systems they have their place on the battlefield.

Whereas RPG, Carl Gustav and this Chinese system are reusable meaning more than one shot.