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Hiroshima, Nagasaki and the Big Historical Lie
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It is perceived wisdom throughout the Western world –particularly America – that the dropping of two nuclear bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki was “necessary” to end the war with Japan. Printed throughout textbooks in the post-war world, the understanding is that, had these targets not been struck, the war would have waged on indefinitely, with potentially untold American soldier and Japanese civilian deaths. As the world commemorates the 68th anniversary of the attacks, however, it is important to take a step back and view the catastrophic event not through the prism of propaganda and mythologizing, but instead through the lens of historical scrutiny. For, as if often the case, the disparity between “Official History” and reality is characterized by lies and deceptions bolstered by patriotism and American exceptionalism.

We are told repeatedly that, without the use of weapons which current Hiroshima Mayor Kazumi Matsui refers to as the “ultimate inhumane weapon and an absolute evil”, Japan would never have surrendered. We are told that President Truman was troubled by the mounting Allied casualties, and that the Joint Chiefs had told him to expect 1,000,000 dead Americans in the pending attack on the Japanese home islands. Yet this figure is a complete fabrication, invented by Secretary of War Stimson. No such claim was made by the Joint Chiefs of Staff, and Truman himself, in different statements, asserted “thousands of lives would be saved,” and “a quarter of a million of the flower of our young manhood was worth a couple of Japanese cities,” and also “I thought 200,000 of our young men would be saved by making that decision.” None of these statements were based on any evidence.

The alleged indefatigably of the Japanese military and their unwillingness to surrender is also a proven myth. By the summer of 1945 their position was hopeless and numerous attempts to surrender had already been made. Brigadier Gen. Carter W. Clarke stated: “We brought them down to an abject surrender through the accelerated sinking of their merchant marine and hunger alone, and when we didn’t need to do it, and we knew we didn’t need to do it, and they knew that we knew we didn’t need to do it, we used them as an experiment for two atomic bombs.”
Truman knew weeks before the Potsdam Conference, which began in July, 1945, that the Japanese were making overtures to surrender, the only condition being the retention of the
Emperor.

But Truman was determined to test the new bombs. In the words of General Douglas McArthur: ”The war might have ended weeks earlier, he said, if the United States had agreed, as it later did anyway, to the retention of the institution of the emperor.” In the event, the US agreed to the terms of the Japanese surrender anyway – but not until they had tested their new weapons and caused the deaths of 100,000s of innocent civilians. In reality, most of the military top brass were disgusted at the decision to bomb Hiroshima and Nagasaki and understood completely that it served NO military purpose whatsoever. Admiral William D. Leahy, the President’s Chief of Staff said, “The use of this barbarous weapon at Hiroshima and
Nagasaki was of no material assistance in our war against Japan.

The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.”
This view was reiterated by Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz, who said, “The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace… The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan.” So what is the truth about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why, when intelligence agencies knew months in advance that contingency plans for a large- scale invasion were completely unnecessary and that Japan desperately sought peace, did they, as Admiral Leahy put it, adopt “an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages”? There are two main reasons.

*Firstly, the Russians had entered the Japanese war and were making striking advances through Manchuria, decimating the already weakened Japanese army. Indeed, their role was pivotal – as Air Force General Claire Chennault stated: “Russia’s entry into the Japanese war was the decisive factor in speeding its end and would have been so even if no atomic bombs had been dropped.” The last thing the American leadership wanted was for Russia to receive equal spoils of war and emerge from the war as a superpower equal to the US...
 
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In this sense, the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki are more accurately perceived as the opening salvos of the Cold War, rather than the final shots fired in the Second World War – the Cold War was, after all, defined essentially as a balance of nuclear powers; realpolitik and the primacy of power where the arms race and military insanity took supremacy over diplomacy. The other, far more sinister reason, was one of scientific curiosity. After making such a huge investment in the Manhattan Project (2 billion in 1940) and with three bombs completed, there was little to no desire to shelve the weapons.

The fissionable material in the Hiroshima bomb was uranium, while the Nagasaki bomb was plutonium, and subsequently there was intense scientific curiosity as to the different effects these bombs would produce. As the US Army director of the project, General Leslie Groves pondered: “what would happen if an entire city was leveled by a single uranium bomb?” “What about a plutonium bomb?” For the science experiment to go ahead, surrender was not an option.

Perhaps Stanley Kubrick in his movie Dr. Strangelove, Or How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb expressed his understanding more than most of the mentality of those who pushed for the use of atomic weapons on the Japanese at Hiroshima and Nagasaki – it was a decision based on a kind of hell-bent fanatical militarism combined with the worst kind of scientific endeavor devoid of any sense of humanity. Small wonder that this history books and the propaganda machine went into overdrive in the following years, endlessly justifying the use of what President Eisenhower
described as “that awful thing”.
 
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Reformat the article then post it . its a pain to read.
 
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Just before Japan's surrender, Japanese authority destroyed many secret files making it difficult to know what actually happened.

In short I can tell you what actually happened.

During the Opium Wars, watching the Chinese misery in the hands of Western White colonizers, Japan had first realized that the East Asians would soon be like no more than Native Red Indians and other tribes in the Americas. The first Opium War was brutal and Japan had rarely any access to what was happening in China. The heard reports of indiscriminate massacre of mass Chinese populations in the hands of Western invaders. There was no internal national media, no Television, no internet to monitor how the invading army is behaving in China. But during the second Opium War (1856–1860), Japan received first hand witness to the inhuman slaughter of innocent Chinese people by the Western white men. If you read the contemporary Japanese writers, you will know how much favorably the Japanese viewed the Chinese.

The end of 19th century opened Japan's eyes and made them realize that China would slowly become a history if they would not come to their rescue.

By the start of the 20th century, Japan decided to take first step, it engaged Russia in 1904-05 to stop it from eating up entire Manchurian region. The Russo Japanese war began and for the first time an Asian nation defeated a Western white nation. Japan was admired by all Asian nations for its victory and engaging a Western white nation for a just cause. In those days, racism was at the peak. White men obstinately felt themselves to be superior to the East Asians who they sometimes didn't regard as human beings!

In 1919, Japan submitted its Racial Equality Proposal in the League of Nations but was refused by the Americans who didn't consider East Asians as human beings at all and so no question of racial equality. Japan being pissed off, decided to end Western white colony at least in the neighboring regions.

"Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941.

You can’t blame him much. For more than 60 years such beliefs have constituted the generally accepted view among Americans, the one taught in schools and depicted in movies—what “every schoolboy knows.” Unfortunately, this orthodox view is a tissue of misconceptions. Don’t bother to ask the typical American what U.S. economic warfare had to do with provoking the Japanese to mount their attack, because he won’t know. Indeed, he will have no idea what you are talking about."


In the 1940, at the sight of Japan trying to liberate China and southeast Asia from white Western colonizers, US imposed blockade and embargo to soften the target as US had already decided to invade Japan and remove the obstacle in its way to colonize the rest of East Asia.

The Hull Note served as the ultimatum to Japan by USA in 1941. It was a declaration of war against Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack. After declaring war against Japan, USA waited for Japan to react so that USA get the excuse for a full fledged invasion of the East Asian savior.

On November 25 Henry L. Stimson, United States Secretary of War noted in his diary that he had discussed with US President Franklin D. Roosevelt the severe likelihood that Japan was about to launch a surprise attack, and that the question had been "how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.'" Hull note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Japan made mistake by believing the Germans as invincible. In May 1945, after the fall of Berlin, Japan's last hope was shattered. Germans were the only ally Japan had been left with. USA bombed Tokyo and other cities to the stone age killing millions of innocent Japanese civilians. Japan knew they would have to sacrifice themselves for the rest of East Asians.

After three months since the fall of Berlin, Japan's Hiroshima was nuked on 6th August 1945, by USA.

USA had already learnt of the Russians making similar plans to invade and occupy Japan as they did in case of Germany. So USA made every effort to force Japan into submission so that entire Japan becomes a US colony, not giving a chance to the Russians to occupy Japanese lands. So USA started dropping nuclear bombs on Japanese mainland to scare off the Russians and force the Japanese to surrender as well.

Suddenly in early August Russians declared war against Japan and proceeded to invade Japan on 8th August, 1945. Japan had seen what the Russians did during the invasion of Berlin a few months ago. Meanwhile another nuclear bomb was dropped on Nagasaki by USA. Japan decided to surrender to the US with the hope that US soldiers would not rape Japanese women after landing on Japan. They heard that American forces behaved in a better way than the Russians.

However, they soon realized what they thought was wrong. US troops behaved better in Germany but worst in Japan raping all the women of Japan. Douglas MacArthur put censorship on news media so that American GIs could rape all the Japanese women in the first systematic ethnic cleansing the mankind has ever seen. Japanese were gone.

Japan sacrificed its yesterday for your today. Today, some East Asian nations are free because of Japan. Without Japan's self sacrifice, white colonizers would have still been banging your women in front of you inside your bed rooms. Never forget that.

Colonial days never tasted sweet to the colonized.
 
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The Japanese were already defeated and ready to surrender.” This view was reiterated by Fleet Admiral Chester W. Nimitz,[/B] who said, “The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace… The atomic bomb played no decisive part, from a purely military standpoint, in the defeat of Japan.” So what is the truth about the bombing of Hiroshima and Nagasaki? Why, when intelligence agencies knew months in advance that contingency plans for a large- scale invasion were completely unnecessary and that Japan desperately sought peace, did they, as Admiral Leahy put it, adopt “an ethical standard common to the barbarians of the Dark Ages”? There are two main reasons..............

What does this mean? "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace." How can you sue for peace when you started the war? They start the war by own choice. USA end the war by own choice. That is how it works.
 
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The most infamous is that many young Japanese are confident that the Soviet Union was dropped atomic bombs on children and the elderly :-(
 
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100% correct..... Well histories are always written by "The conquerors" that is why facts are always distorted and made to match their objectives and carry their views as they want them to be understood and presented........

Well written article and facts..... :)
 
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What does this mean? "The Japanese had, in fact, already sued for peace." How can you sue for peace when you started the war? They start the war by own choice. USA end the war by own choice. That is how it works.

what is the point of fighting on and killing civilians when you know other side is going to surrender. Unless of course you are driven by revenge.
 
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what is the point of fighting on and killing civilians when you know other side is going to surrender. Unless of course you are driven by revenge.

It was a gesture of intimidation, addressed personally to Stalin. If you disassemble detail actions of the Red Army against the Japanese Kwantung Army in Manchuria, you will realize that the Red Army of the sample in 1945 was stronger than the U.S. Army. United States were convinced that the Soviet Union is not going to abide by the contract and occupied Japan - albeit in vain, Stalin was not going to cheat allies. He was not going to start Cold War. Allies did.
 
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Just before Japan's surrender, Japanese authority destroyed many secret files making it difficult to know what actually happened.

In short I can tell you what actually happened.

During the Opium Wars, watching the Chinese misery in the hands of Western White colonizers, Japan had first realized that the East Asians would soon be like no more than Native Red Indians and other tribes in the Americas. The first Opium War was brutal and Japan had rarely any access to what was happening in China. The heard reports of indiscriminate massacre of mass Chinese populations in the hands of Western invaders. There was no internal national media, no Television, no internet to monitor how the invading army is behaving in China. But during the second Opium War (1856–1860), Japan received first hand witness to the inhuman slaughter of innocent Chinese people by the Western white men. If you read the contemporary Japanese writers, you will know how much favorably the Japanese viewed the Chinese.

The end of 19th century opened Japan's eyes and made them realize that China would slowly become a history if they would not come to their rescue.

By the start of the 20th century, Japan decided to take first step, it engaged Russia in 1904-05 to stop it from eating up entire Manchurian region. The Russo Japanese war began and for the first time an Asian nation defeated a Western white nation. Japan was admired by all Asian nations for its victory and engaging a Western white nation for a just cause. In those days, racism was at the peak. White men obstinately felt themselves to be superior to the East Asians who they sometimes didn't regard as human beings!

In 1919, Japan submitted its Racial Equality Proposal in the League of Nations but was refused by the Americans who didn't consider East Asians as human beings at all and so no question of racial equality. Japan being pissed off, decided to end Western white colony at least in the neighboring regions.

"Ask a typical American how the United States got into World War II, and he will almost certainly tell you that the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor and the Americans fought back. Ask him why the Japanese attacked Pearl Harbor, and he will probably need some time to gather his thoughts. He might say that the Japanese were aggressive militarists who wanted to take over the world, or at least the Asia-Pacific part of it. Ask him what the United States did to provoke the Japanese, and he will probably say that the Americans did nothing: we were just minding our own business when the crazy Japanese, completely without justification, mounted a sneak attack on us, catching us totally by surprise in Hawaii on December 7, 1941.

You can’t blame him much. For more than 60 years such beliefs have constituted the generally accepted view among Americans, the one taught in schools and depicted in movies—what “every schoolboy knows.” Unfortunately, this orthodox view is a tissue of misconceptions. Don’t bother to ask the typical American what U.S. economic warfare had to do with provoking the Japanese to mount their attack, because he won’t know. Indeed, he will have no idea what you are talking about."


In the 1940, at the sight of Japan trying to liberate China and southeast Asia from white Western colonizers, US imposed blockade and embargo to soften the target as US had already decided to invade Japan and remove the obstacle in its way to colonize the rest of East Asia.

The Hull Note served as the ultimatum to Japan by USA in 1941. It was a declaration of war against Japan before the Pearl Harbor attack. After declaring war against Japan, USA waited for Japan to react so that USA get the excuse for a full fledged invasion of the East Asian savior.

On November 25 Henry L. Stimson, United States Secretary of War noted in his diary that he had discussed with US President Franklin D. Roosevelt the severe likelihood that Japan was about to launch a surprise attack, and that the question had been "how we should maneuver them [the Japanese] into the position of firing the first shot without allowing too much danger to ourselves.'" Hull note - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Japan made mistake by believing the Germans as invincible. In May 1945, after the fall of Berlin, Japan's last hope was shattered. Germans were the only ally Japan had been left with. USA bombed Tokyo and other cities to the stone age killing millions of innocent Japanese civilians. Japan knew they would have to sacrifice themselves for the rest of East Asians.

After three months since the fall of Berlin, Japan's Hiroshima was nuked on 6th August 1945, by USA.

USA had already learnt of the Russians making similar plans to invade and occupy Japan as they did in case of Germany. So USA made every effort to force Japan into submission so that entire Japan becomes a US colony, not giving a chance to the Russians to occupy Japanese lands. So USA started dropping nuclear bombs on Japanese mainland to scare off the Russians and force the Japanese to surrender as well.

Suddenly in early August Russians declared war against Japan and proceeded to invade Japan on 8th August, 1945. Japan had seen what the Russians did during the invasion of Berlin a few months ago. Meanwhile another nuclear bomb was dropped on Nagasaki by USA. Japan decided to surrender to the US with the hope that US soldiers would not rape Japanese women after landing on Japan. They heard that American forces behaved in a better way than the Russians.

However, they soon realized what they thought was wrong. US troops behaved better in Germany but worst in Japan raping all the women of Japan. Douglas MacArthur put censorship on news media so that American GIs could rape all the Japanese women in the first systematic ethnic cleansing the mankind has ever seen. Japanese were gone.

Japan sacrificed its yesterday for your today. Today, some East Asian nations are free because of Japan. Without Japan's self sacrifice, white colonizers would have still been banging your women in front of you inside your bed rooms. Never forget that.

Colonial days never tasted sweet to the colonized.


Going by the same logic, after learning so much about Central Asians brutality in India, the British realized that if they don't come to the rescue, Hindu would become history by 19th century. After all, Aryan who gave rise to indian civilization were Europeans too.
So Why are you hindu indians sore about British colonization? They stick their neck our for you. British scarified its yesterday for your today. Today, India is free because of the British.

This article is a piece of propaganda crap from @Enemy.
 
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Going by the same logic, after learning so much about Central Asians brutality in India, the British realized that if they don't come to the rescue, Hindu would become history by 19th century. After all, Aryan who gave rise to indian civilization were Europeans too.
So Why are you hindu indians sore about British colonization? They stick their neck our for you. British scarified its yesterday for your today. Today, India is free because of the British.

This article is a piece of propaganda crap from @Enemy.

Why India and all ?

Do you want troll in this thread or what?

Any way Taliban are controlling Pakistan and now the BD border.
 
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