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India is as majoritarian as Pakistan and Afghanistan, author and columnist Aakar Patel tells Karan Thapar.

In an interview that is a forceful and outspoken critique of Hindutva and Hindu Rashtra, one of India’s most highly regarded columnists has said Hindutva is not an ideology but an anti-minority and, primarily, anti-Muslim prejudice.
Aakar Patel also says that the desire or ambition to create Hindu Rashtra, which lies at the core of Hindutva, “is purely about the exclusion and persecution of India’s minorities, particularly Muslims … that is all there is to Hindu Rashtra.”
He adds Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s record, both as chief minister of Gujarat for 13 years and as prime minister of India for seven years, shows that Modi “encourages anti-Muslim prejudice”.

He said in classical terms ideology is understood as a doctrine of economic or political theory. Hindutva, as pursued by the BJP or its predecessor, the Jan Sangh, has never been consistent either in terms of its economic or political thinking. The only issue on which Hindutva has been consistent is the demand that Muslims give up their mosques, their personal law, their autonomy in Kashmir and now, more recently, the right to marry hindu girls or eat beef. This is why he believes Hindutva is not an ideology but prejudice and, specifically, anti-Muslim.

He said the concept of Hindu Rashtra as upheld by the BJP – in contrast to Nepal – “is purely about the exclusion and persecution of India’s minorities, particularly Muslims. That is the only meaning of Hindu Rashtra in India. It imagines India as a Hindu nation where the Muslim and christian exist on sufferance. That is all there is to Hindu Rashtra.”

Patel told The Wire that the aim of Hindu Rashtra seems to be the persecution of non-hindu minorities and not the betterment of the majority community. “The acquisition of authority in Hindu Rashtra is not towards bettering the lives of hindus but damaging, excluding and handicapping those who are not born hindu.”

Patel says that Hindutva never reveals itself in its full light. It often appears in disguise or even by deception. As he put it: “Hindutva has captured the Indian state but it sits behind the façade of Nehruvian secularism and inclusion. It pretends to be what it is not.”

Patel, therefore, comes to the conclusion that unlike its neighbours, who are majoritarian because that is how their constitution has defined them, India has become majoritarian through the backdoor i.e. “through the issues that parties and governments picked and stayed focus on till the majoritarian impact was achieved.” Asked if this means India is less majoritarian than Pakistan and Afghanistan or the same, Patel said that India is as majoritarian as these countries.

“What does majoritarianism mean in these countries?”, he asked. “It means the exclusion of minorities from power and the active harassment of minorities by using the instruments of the state. In both senses India is no less majoritarian than Pakistan and Afghanistan. The exclusion of minorities is as deliberate and absolute.”

Patel pointed out India does not have a Muslim chief minister in any of its 28 states. In 15 there is no Muslim minister and in 10 there is just one, usually in charge of Minority Affairs. Patel called this “the deliberate exclusion of 200 million people”.

In the interview, Patel spoke about three specific examples of how Hindutva has targeted Muslims and which, he believes, shows how in independent India the entire system seems to be loaded against them. First, he pointed out that whilst the BJP talks of appeasement of Muslims, the truth is that in almost every sphere Muslim representation is way below their proportion of the population. For instance, they should have 74 seats in the Lok Sabha but only have 27. They are nearly 15% of the population but only 4.9% of state and central government employees, 4.6% of the paramilitary services, 3.2% of IAS, IFS and IPS and perhaps as low as 1% of the army.

Patel says Muslims have been deliberately excluded in two ways. First, through democratic process and secondly through state policy. For instance, he says RAW does not have nor has ever employed a Muslim. They are deliberately excluded from RAW.
The second specific example of how Hindutva excludes Muslims is Gujarat’s Disturbed Areas Act. It’s been in force for 35 years and Patel says its aim is “to keep Muslims out of other neighbourhoods than those traditionally Muslim”. In other words, “to ghettoise Muslims”. He says this means the state government decides where people who are Muslims can buy property and live. The purpose, he says, is to exclude Muslims from acquiring property and living in Hindu dominated areas.


The third example cited by Patel of how the Indian political system can work against Muslims is the judiciary. He says its delivered bewildering judgements such as Om is not a religious symbol and hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. In the Babri judgement, after accepting the mosque was wrongly and illegally demolished, the Supreme Court still gave the site to the people who demolished it. Most recently, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and deliberately delayed hearing critical constitutional issues like the change in status of Jammu and Kashmir and the Citizenship Amendment Act. Patel says: “the judiciary is pliant in India … it sides with the majoritarian view”. Many judges, he said, share the anti-Muslim prejudice that lies at the heart of Hindutva.

Asked whether Modi accepts and encourages this anti-Muslim prejudice, opposes it or turns an opportunistic blind eye to it, Patel categorically said that Modi’s record shows “he encourages anti-Muslim prejudice”.

Giving details, Patel said that as chief minister of Gujarat, Modi never gave a ticket to a Muslim. He said beef-lynching started in 2015 after he became prime minister. It was in subsequent years that anti-beef laws were passed by BJP governments in Maharashtra and Haryana. More importantly, Aakar Patel says Modi has rewarded those who abuse Muslims and cited as examples Giriraj Singh and Niranjan Jyoti.

Finally, when The Wire asked Aakar Patel if the political success of Hindutva, particularly after 2014, suggests that a large number of the Indian people, possibly even a majority, share the anti-Muslim prejudice that lies at its core, he said this does seem to be the case. He said Modi’s re-election in 2019 and his undeniable popularity cannot be explained on the basis of the Prime Minister’s economic or administrative performance. Clearly it is because people identify with his anti-Muslim image.
https://thewire.in/communalism/watc...ndutva-hindu-rashta-narendra-modi-anti-muslim
 
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Hindutva is not an ideology but an anti-minority and, primarily, anti-Muslim prejudice.

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“Hindutva has captured the Indian state but it sits behind the façade of Nehruvian secularism and inclusion. It pretends to be what it is not.”
Sorry, can PDF sue this guy for making money off of what we've been jabbering all along?
In fact, the estate of Muhammad Ali Jinnah will soon be in touch with Mr Aakar Patel.
 
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Hindutva, as pursued by the BJP or its predecessor, the Jan Sangh, has never been consistent either in terms of its economic or political thinking.

But Hindutva is intimately connected to Capitalism. Extreme Capitalism.

No other society, especially its middle class ( which elected Modi to power ), will see the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years for socio-economic reasons, and will carry on with their lives accepting those suicides as a normal fact of human life.

He says its delivered bewildering judgements such as Om is not a religious symbol and hinduism is not a religion but a way of life.

I never understood that phrase - "Way of life" - that Hindutvadis use to describe their ideas.
 
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But Hindutva is intimately connected to Capitalism. Extreme Capitalism.

No other society, especially its middle class ( which elected Modi to power ), will see the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years for socio-economic reasons, and will carry on with their lives accepting those suicides as a normal fact of human life.



I never understood that phrase - "Way of life" - that Hindutvadis use to describe their ideas.

Hindutva is a hostile corporate takeover by banya lobby barging into the old money domain of the Parsis.

Cheers, Doc
 
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Hindutva is a hostile corporate takeover by banya lobby barging into the old money domain of the Parsis.

Cheers, Doc

I think you are correct for the last three or so centuries and in mainly the Bombay Presidency region. Were the Parsis the money people in other parts of India ? And what was the Parsi idea about interest-based loans ?
 
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I think you are correct for the last three or so centuries and in mainly the Bombay Presidency region. Were the Parsis the money people in other parts of India ?

It's very clear to us.

The target of the Gujrat lobby.

Not the crazed cowbelt northies.

They are pawns.

Cheers, Doc
 
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But Hindutva is intimately connected to Capitalism. Extreme Capitalism.

No other society, especially its middle class ( which elected Modi to power ), will see the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years for socio-economic reasons, and will carry on with their lives accepting those suicides as a normal fact of human life.



I never understood that phrase - "Way of life" - that Hindutvadis use to describe their ideas.
Hindutwa only went the capitalistic way after Mandal Commission, to counter it. Capitalism is a good thing, but it should not be restricted to just economics. Why can't for example a Muslim or Christian compete with Hinduism and increase his followers ? Anti-conversion law is protecting Hinduism from competition and Love-Jihad law is also anti-competitive.

"Way of life" is ploy, to dilute fundamentals of other religions. They want to project Hinduism as something National.
 
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The Intelligent Muslims followed Jinnah for a reason!!! Even the Bangal Muslims understood it too well!!! Even traitor Mujib asked for the immediate withdrawal of the Indian forces after the creation of BD with the help of the USSR/India/Israel etc.....
 
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India is as majoritarian as Pakistan and Afghanistan, author and columnist Aakar Patel tells Karan Thapar.

In an interview that is a forceful and outspoken critique of Hindutva and Hindu Rashtra, one of India’s most highly regarded columnists has said Hindutva is not an ideology but an anti-minority and, primarily, anti-Muslim prejudice.
Aakar Patel also says that the desire or ambition to create Hindu Rashtra, which lies at the core of Hindutva, “is purely about the exclusion and persecution of India’s minorities, particularly Muslims … that is all there is to Hindu Rashtra.”
He adds Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s record, both as chief minister of Gujarat for 13 years and as prime minister of India for seven years, shows that Modi “encourages anti-Muslim prejudice”.

He said in classical terms ideology is understood as a doctrine of economic or political theory. Hindutva, as pursued by the BJP or its predecessor, the Jan Sangh, has never been consistent either in terms of its economic or political thinking. The only issue on which Hindutva has been consistent is the demand that Muslims give up their mosques, their personal law, their autonomy in Kashmir and now, more recently, the right to marry hindu girls or eat beef. This is why he believes Hindutva is not an ideology but prejudice and, specifically, anti-Muslim.

He said the concept of Hindu Rashtra as upheld by the BJP – in contrast to Nepal – “is purely about the exclusion and persecution of India’s minorities, particularly Muslims. That is the only meaning of Hindu Rashtra in India. It imagines India as a Hindu nation where the Muslim and christian exist on sufferance. That is all there is to Hindu Rashtra.”

Patel told The Wire that the aim of Hindu Rashtra seems to be the persecution of non-hindu minorities and not the betterment of the majority community. “The acquisition of authority in Hindu Rashtra is not towards bettering the lives of hindus but damaging, excluding and handicapping those who are not born hindu.”

Patel says that Hindutva never reveals itself in its full light. It often appears in disguise or even by deception. As he put it: “Hindutva has captured the Indian state but it sits behind the façade of Nehruvian secularism and inclusion. It pretends to be what it is not.”

Patel, therefore, comes to the conclusion that unlike its neighbours, who are majoritarian because that is how their constitution has defined them, India has become majoritarian through the backdoor i.e. “through the issues that parties and governments picked and stayed focus on till the majoritarian impact was achieved.” Asked if this means India is less majoritarian than Pakistan and Afghanistan or the same, Patel said that India is as majoritarian as these countries.

“What does majoritarianism mean in these countries?”, he asked. “It means the exclusion of minorities from power and the active harassment of minorities by using the instruments of the state. In both senses India is no less majoritarian than Pakistan and Afghanistan. The exclusion of minorities is as deliberate and absolute.”

Patel pointed out India does not have a Muslim chief minister in any of its 28 states. In 15 there is no Muslim minister and in 10 there is just one, usually in charge of Minority Affairs. Patel called this “the deliberate exclusion of 200 million people”.

In the interview, Patel spoke about three specific examples of how Hindutva has targeted Muslims and which, he believes, shows how in independent India the entire system seems to be loaded against them. First, he pointed out that whilst the BJP talks of appeasement of Muslims, the truth is that in almost every sphere Muslim representation is way below their proportion of the population. For instance, they should have 74 seats in the Lok Sabha but only have 27. They are nearly 15% of the population but only 4.9% of state and central government employees, 4.6% of the paramilitary services, 3.2% of IAS, IFS and IPS and perhaps as low as 1% of the army.

Patel says Muslims have been deliberately excluded in two ways. First, through democratic process and secondly through state policy. For instance, he says RAW does not have nor has ever employed a Muslim. They are deliberately excluded from RAW.
The second specific example of how Hindutva excludes Muslims is Gujarat’s Disturbed Areas Act. It’s been in force for 35 years and Patel says its aim is “to keep Muslims out of other neighbourhoods than those traditionally Muslim”. In other words, “to ghettoise Muslims”. He says this means the state government decides where people who are Muslims can buy property and live. The purpose, he says, is to exclude Muslims from acquiring property and living in Hindu dominated areas.


The third example cited by Patel of how the Indian political system can work against Muslims is the judiciary. He says its delivered bewildering judgements such as Om is not a religious symbol and hinduism is not a religion but a way of life. In the Babri judgement, after accepting the mosque was wrongly and illegally demolished, the Supreme Court still gave the site to the people who demolished it. Most recently, the Supreme Court has repeatedly and deliberately delayed hearing critical constitutional issues like the change in status of Jammu and Kashmir and the Citizenship Amendment Act. Patel says: “the judiciary is pliant in India … it sides with the majoritarian view”. Many judges, he said, share the anti-Muslim prejudice that lies at the heart of Hindutva.

Asked whether Modi accepts and encourages this anti-Muslim prejudice, opposes it or turns an opportunistic blind eye to it, Patel categorically said that Modi’s record shows “he encourages anti-Muslim prejudice”.

Giving details, Patel said that as chief minister of Gujarat, Modi never gave a ticket to a Muslim. He said beef-lynching started in 2015 after he became prime minister. It was in subsequent years that anti-beef laws were passed by BJP governments in Maharashtra and Haryana. More importantly, Aakar Patel says Modi has rewarded those who abuse Muslims and cited as examples Giriraj Singh and Niranjan Jyoti.

Finally, when The Wire asked Aakar Patel if the political success of Hindutva, particularly after 2014, suggests that a large number of the Indian people, possibly even a majority, share the anti-Muslim prejudice that lies at its core, he said this does seem to be the case. He said Modi’s re-election in 2019 and his undeniable popularity cannot be explained on the basis of the Prime Minister’s economic or administrative performance. Clearly it is because people identify with his anti-Muslim image.
https://thewire.in/communalism/watc...ndutva-hindu-rashta-narendra-modi-anti-muslim

Thank God for Pakistan!
 
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Is he related to Mubarek Patel?
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Sorry, can PDF sue this guy for making money off of what we've been jabbering all along?
In fact, the estate of Muhammad Ali Jinnah will soon be in touch with Mr Aakar Patel.
Government of Pakistan shares intelligence with India.
But Hindutva is intimately connected to Capitalism. Extreme Capitalism.

No other society, especially its middle class ( which elected Modi to power ), will see the fact of 300,000+ farmers committing suicide within ten years for socio-economic reasons, and will carry on with their lives accepting those suicides as a normal fact of human life.



I never understood that phrase - "Way of life" - that Hindutvadis use to describe their ideas.
You are wasting everyone's time with idealistic vision of human existence
 
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Hindutwa only went the capitalistic way after Mandal Commission, to counter it.

Hindutva was capitalist since its basis was written in the Manusmriti 3250 years ago.

Capitalism is a good thing

How ?

Please again read the second paragraph of my post you quoted.

You are wasting everyone's time with idealistic vision of human existence

You mean to say all those philosophers down history like some Greeks, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Nanak, Marx, Lenin, Nasser, Gaddafi etc were wasting people's time ?
 
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Hindutva was capitalist since its basis was written in the Manusmriti 3250 years ago.



How ?

Please again read the second paragraph of my post you quoted.



You mean to say all those philosophers down history like some Greeks, Buddha, Jesus, Muhammad, Nanak, Marx, Lenin, Nasser, Gaddafi etc were wasting people's time ?
Manusmriti was written and whole heartedly supported by invading Aryans/Upper Caste to stop all competition from 70% lower caste majority. All the good professions of that time were reserved(100%) for upper castes. Manusmriti was the first reservation system in India. Manusmriti was more about exploitation and subjugation, to keep the majority population of India subservient.

Dalit boy from Rajasthan tops JEE Mains with 100% score
https://scroll.in/latest/835864/dalit-boy-from-rajasthan-tops-jee-mains-with-100-score

Too much of anything has adverse effects, Controlled levels of Capitalism is actually good, incentivizes people to work harder. Too much of Capitalism is also harmful, few people grab all the resources and rest of the people have no chance of upward mobility. Too much of Socialism kills off merit, which leads to mediocrity.

Best is to keep a balance between socialism and capitalism. After World War II Germany was divided into two, East Germany was under the Socialist USSR and West Germany was under Capitalist USA(and allies). So, German people understood the merits and demerits of both, now Germany has mixed economy, for example all education is free.

I think competition is something God intended to have.
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do you claim to be all of those in your 7 lives, Indian?

No I just claim to be a speaker of the legacy of those people.

Manusmriti was written and whole heartedly supported by invading Aryans/Upper Caste to stop all competition from 70% lower caste majority. All the good professions of that time were reserved(100%) for upper castes. Manusmriti was the first reservation system in India. Manusmriti was more about exploitation and subjugation, to keep the majority population of India subservient.

Indeed, it was about exploitation and subjugation, which are also elements of Capitalism. Similar to the IT / ITES industry in India of today.


1. In contrast to this Dalit boy's success there are the cases of Dalit school boys being the victims of caste discrimination from their colleagues and school administrations in Rajasthan. Another case : In Indian Idol's current season there is a young man from Rajasthan called Sawai Bhaat who along with his parents is a street singer and puppeteer. He said that those people in his village who used to taunt him or mistreat him earlier are now, after his contestancy in Indian Idol, treating him better. So his is a case of socio-economic disparity, through traditional Capitalism, now turned into a somewhat better life through the contest.

2. Your link says that this Dalit boy studied in a Udaipur coaching institute which has HQ in Kota. Now Kota is infamous for its high-pressure "teaching" which has led to suicides among the students. This is not only because of trying to number one in future job attaining but also to get what in India is called 'seats' in "good" colleges / universities. This is my thread from last November about a girl from Telangana who committed suicide at her house because her scholarship ( money ) from Delhi University was not coming. Her family was a poor one where her younger sister had to drop out of school for the elder one to be in a college in DU. Please read my comment at the end of the OP there. But this case is again because of the needless competition among humans that Capitalism creates.

Controlled levels of Capitalism is actually good, incentivizes people to work harder.

How ?

Too much of Capitalism is also harmful, few people grab all the resources and rest of the people have no chance of upward mobility.

Agreed.

Too much of Socialism kills off merit, which leads to mediocrity.

Well, I will point to the communist slogan "From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs" does not mean one does not need to contribute. Contribution can be physical or mental as per condition or situation.

Best is to keep a balance between socialism and capitalism. After World War II Germany was divided into two, East Germany was under the Socialist USSR and West Germany was under Capitalist USA(and allies). So, German people understood the merits and demerits of both, now Germany has mixed economy, for example all education is free.

Hmm, interesting.

In response I will ask you to read this proposal of mine for a new economic system which aims to eradicate economic classes.

Second, we can have a socio-economic system where the means of production ( let's say a 3D Printing shop ) are owned and funded by the society ( as per Communism ) but the workers / leaders are left free to come up with their ideas and work with independence ( perhaps semi-Capitalism ). Maybe this was how the USSR's design bureaus worked. Designs for the USSR's space industry or the military ( MiG, Sukhoi etc ). Found this :
The organizational core of the Russian space program is the design bureau. This could be classified by design bureau (KB) or experimental design bureau (Opytnoye Konstruktorskoye Buro, OKB). The design bureau was the middle element in a three-part chain, a system developed in Stalin’s time [1]. First, concepts were tested in a scientific research institute (NII) (Nauk Issledovatl Institut). Once deemed possible or desirable, hardware was designed, built and tested by an OKB or KB. Once perfected, it was put into production in the third part, the factory. The operation of the system was actually more complex than this, because some design institutes grew up with factories alongside and were closely associated with one another. Furthermore, a design product of an OKB could be sent for production in a factory affiliated to a rival design bureau. A complex set of relationships and rivalries thus built up over the years. Their work in the new century is now reviewed. Nowadays, many of these organizations are called NPOs (scientific and production associations), companies or corporations, but the term “bureau” is still widely used.
And this :
OKB is a transliteration of the Russian initials of "Опытное конструкторское бюро" – Opytnoye Konstruktorskoye Buro, meaning Experimental Design Bureau. During the Soviet era, OKBs were closed institutions working on design and prototyping of advanced technology, usually for military applications.

A bureau was officially identified by a number, and often semi-officially by the name of its lead designer – for example, OKB-51 was led by Pavel Sukhoi, and it eventually became known as the OKB of Sukhoi. Successful and famous bureaus often retained this name even after the death or replacement of their designers.

These relatively small state-run organisations were not intended for the mass production of aircraft, rockets, or other vehicles or equipment which they designed. However, they usually had the facilities and resources to construct prototypes. Designs accepted by the state were then assigned to factories for mass production.

After the collapse of the Soviet Union, many OKBs became Scientific Production Organizations (Научно-производственное объединение) abbreviated to NPO. There were some attempts to merge them in the 1990s, and there were widespread amalgamations in 2001–2006 to create "national champions", such as Almaz-Antey to consolidate SAM development.

OKBs in aerospace industry[edit]
Add to this the modern 'Open Source' concept ( Open Source hardware / software ).

I think competition is something God intended to have.
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Then why do I, born through a competition process as you put it, not believe in the competitions that Capitalism drowns us in ? Maybe you and I were just fertilized randomly.


Watched the first vid. Was interesting.

But you should tell me of your understanding of why you posted that search string.

I consider the Indian IT / ITES industry as modern feudalism. Do you know that there is employee union system in the Indian IT / ITES industry ? At least this was the case in 2014 when IBM-India and TCS suddenly removed thousands of employees without notice and proper severance pay. And just before I resigned from a ITES company in 2014 I was in the process of establishing an employee union in that branch and I had planned to replicated that in the other branch and encourage the employees in both branches to speak to their friends and family in other IT / ITES companies in the same city and other cities to establish employee unions there. I should not have resigned in 2014. Would have been the first employee union in that industry.
 
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