Hinduism Respects women rights by Burning her Alive.

[atleast_a_bronze]

No problem bro. Indian will always say this is illegal in india about all social injustices. But in practice many parts of india is still living in dark ages.

Honor killing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In Pakistan honor killings are known locally as karo-kari. Amnesty International's report noted "the failure of the authorities to prevent these killings by investigating and punishing the perpetrators."[36] Recent cases include that of three teenage girls who were buried alive after refusing arranged marriages.[37] Another case was that of Taslim Khatoon Solangi, 17, of Hajna Shah village in Khairpur district, which became widely reported after the graphic account of her father 57-year-old Gul Sher Solangi, who allegedly tortured and murdered his eight months’ pregnant daughter on March 7 on the orders of her father-in-law, who accused her of carrying a child conceived out of wedlock.[38][4]. Statistically, honor killings enjoy high level of support in Pakistani society, despite widespread condemnation from human rights groups.[39] In 2002 alone, over 382 people, about 245 women and 137 men, became victims of honor killings in the Sindh province of Pakistan.[40] Over the course of six years, over 4,000 women have fallen victim to this practice in Pakistan from 1999-2004.[41] More recently (in 2005), the average annual number of honor killings for the whole nation ran up to more than 10,000 per year. [42] According to woman rights advocates, The concepts of women as property and honor are so deeply entrenched in the social, political and economic fabric of Pakistan that the government, for the most part, ignores the daily occurrences of women being killed and maimed by their families." [43] Frequently, women murdered in "honour" killings are recorded as having committed suicide or died in accidents. [43]

People living in glass houses should not throw stones

 

[weaponx]

I dune i am gratefull for your kind info , this is what one would need on something IRONIC!!

Indian members are getting offended for some unknown reason , none of them have tried to explain it !

They are doing what they are here to do , thanks again....

This is really disgusting !!!

See the title of the thread and then use ur head to understand y we r getting offended...

Where in the world u came to no tat hinduism allows SATI....u r so ignorant ...u insult a religion..(tat too a religion which sees a woman as a manifestation of shakti..power)..coz of some old practices done by some ppl...

then u cant blame non-muslims to see islam as intolerant religion coz of some islamic terrorists...

we indians are not saying tat sati didnt exists..bt ter is laws which are in place check this menance...and ofcourse with hundreds of laws in place ..it is difficult to stop such henious crimes in a 1 billion+ population..

bt when compared to ur country like hudood laws...which actually is a law governed by ur constitution...we dont have such a thing in india

 

[Kompromat]

Sati is the practice through which widows are voluntarily or forcibly burned alive on their husband's funeral pyre. It was banned in 1829, but had to be banned again in 1956 after a resurgence. There was another revival of the practice in 1981 with another prevention ordinance passed in 1987 (Morgan 1984). The idea justifying sati is that women have worth only in relation to men. This illustrates women's lack of status as individuals in India


FAQs on Sati Courtesy: Miral Patel and Ekta Bhattarai


I. What is Sati?
Hindu custom in India in which the widow was burnt to death on her husband’s pyre.
Can be a voluntary choice or force upon a woman by her in-laws.

II. Reasons for Sati
A widow's status was looked upon as an unwanted burden that prevented her from participating in the household work. Her touch, her voice, her very appearance was considered unholy, impure and something that was to be shunned and abhorred.
A woman was considered pure if she committed Sati.

III. The History Behind Sati
Sati, the wife of Daksha, was so overcome at the demise of her husband that she immolated herself on his funeral pyre.
Sati was the consort of Lord Shiva. She burnt herself in fire as protest against her father, Daksha did not give her consort Shiva the respect she thought he deserved.

IV. Theories of Origin
Even though Sati is considered an Indian custom or a Hindu custom it was not practiced all over India by all Hindus but only among certain communities of India.
Sacrificing the widow in her dead husband's funeral or pyre was not unique only to India. This custom was prevalent among Egyptians, Greek, Goths, and others.
Ramayana- Sita walks through fire to prove her purity.
Mahabharata- Madri throws herself on her husband, Pandu’s fire.

V. Outside Views Impact
A few rulers of India like the Mughals, tried to ban this custom.
Italian Traveler Pietro Della Valle (1586-1652) has documented the Sati ritual that he witnessed in the town of Ikkeri in November of 1623.
Colonel William. H. Sleeman (1809 - 1856 A.D.) served as the collector of Jabalpur.

VI. Sati in the Modern times
In general, before this custom was outlawed in 1829, there were a few hundred officially recorded incidences each year.
The efforts of Raja Rammohan Roy and other Hindu reformers greatly impacted the movement to outlaw this practice.
Even after the custom was outlawed, this custom did not vanish completely. It took few decades before this custom almost vanished
In 1987 an eighteen years old widow, Roop Kanwar, committed Sati in a village of Rajasthan
The 'Sati' version is that Roop told her father-in-law she wanted to commit Sati.
Roop was forced to commit Sati.
The case went to court, but no one was charged with her murder.
Even in the year 2000, you hear about Sati occurring in rural villages.

Now you better stop telling , it does not exist any more!!!

Reference:Sati in India, Sati - the Burning of The Widow bride

 

[idune]

Practice of Suttee (Sati) in India
This is an excerpt from the paper...

The purpose of this research is to examine the practice of suttee (sati), or the burning of Indian widows upon the deaths of their husbands. The plan of the research will be to set forth the cultural and religious context in which suttee was practiced in India from ancient times, and then to discuss when and how it was outlawed in the 1800s in India, under British rule. In this connection, the reasons for outlawing suttee will be discussed, as well as issues dealing with the pros and cons of the issues.

The practice of suttee cannot be understood without reference to Hinduism, and the whole of Indian history, culture, and art must be understood with reference to the religious hegemony of the country.

The importance of the fact that Hinduism is above all religious rather than aesthetic or sociocultural in character cannot be overestimated, although the religion itself strongly influences the culture. Indeed, Lannoy states that the contemporary political and social history of India has to be understood with reference to the history of strong religious influence in the country. He chiefly focuses on the Hindu influence but synthesizes the religious factor in more general terms when discussing modern Indian politics.

The political history of the Indian nationalist movement has, therefore, always been associated with religion. Reduced to its simplest terms, the legacy of the Muslim period was the division of India into two antagonistic religious communities, Hindu and

. . .
al view of the facts. The informal view, and the record, is that there is a vast difference between outlawing a practice and actually abolishing it. Abolition as a political and social goal, of course, was supported by British and Indian secular reformers as well as by European missionaries in India (Sharma, 1976a), despite efforts by orthodox Hindus to assert religious standing for the practice.

In any case, the task was not undertaken lightly by the British rulers, who were reluctant to offend what they understood to be a well-entrenched religious rite (Azariah, 1979). Colonial attempts to end the practice appear to have actually encouraged it for a period prior to the final abolition, for the reason that suttee came to be seen as a form of rebellion against British rule among the nationalistic higher castes. Toward the end of the nineteenth century, nationalistic fervor impinged on religious preferences as well. However, there is also evidence that impoverished widows were more likely than financially secure ones to throw themselves on the funeral pyre voluntarily (Yang, 1989). In this connection, as Stein suggests (1978), the practice of suttee, as late as the nineteenth century, had the effect of simplifying everyday so
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Practice of Suttee (Sati) in India

 

[Kompromat]

This is really disgusting !!!

See the title of the thread and then use ur head to understand y we r getting offended...

Where in the world u came to no tat hinduism allows SATI....u r so ignorant ...u insult a religion..(tat too a religion which sees a woman as a manifestation of shakti..power)..coz of some old practices done by some ppl...

then u cant blame non-muslims to see islam as intolerant religion coz of some islamic terrorists...

we indians are not saying tat sati didnt exists..bt ter is laws which are in place check this menance...and ofcourse with hundreds of laws in place ..it is difficult to stop such henious crimes in a 1 billion+ population..

bt when compared to ur country like hudood laws...which actually is a law governed by ur constitution...we dont have such a thing in india

Wel i do not get "offended" when you talk about Jihad , so who gives you the right to get angry at someone asking to explain a tridition to them is Stupid and still being carried out

 

[Ruag]

Great!

Few incidents occur in rural, isolated places of India and this fellow generalizes the entire Hindu populace as some women-bashers.

If you want, for every such video you post... I can post hundreds of videos here depicting atrocities against women by Muslim men ranging from parading supposed "witches" naked in public, to publicly lashing a teenage girl for alleged affair, to publicly stoning a 13-year old girl because she was raped.

But I won't generalize all Muslims as people who disrespect women because of these incidents. Why? Because I have a high IQ.

I understand some people are not blessed enough in the mental department... hence such annoying threads.

 

[ssheppard]

Wel i do not get "offended" when you talk about Jihad , so who gives you the right to get angry at someone asking to explain a tridition to them is Stupid and still being carried out

Go on then.... enjoy your .... mutual S.U. secession with your frnd Idune.......

 

[King Julien]

Sati is a hindu religious practice , this is defined !

so far , keep posting , we need alot of info!!! cheers

This is not in our religious scriptures,
I can understand your pain black blood, I know you are hurt by the fact that Islam is defamed, but then Its not our problem, your people left no stone unturned to ensure Islam is defamed.
Sanatan dharma does not refer to any sectarian process of religion, It is eternal function of the eternal living entities in relationship with the eternal supreme lord. Religion conveys idea of faith, and faith may change. One may have faith in particular process and he may change this faith and adopt another. Precisely what's happening in Islam

 

[Kompromat]

origion of Sati:

Few reliable records exist of the practice before the time of the Gupta empire, approximately 400 AD. After about this time, instances of sati began to be marked by inscribed memorial stones. The earliest of these are found in Sagar, Madhya Pradesh, though the largest collections date from several centuries later, and are found in Rajasthan. These stones, called devli, or sati-stones, became shrines to the dead woman, who was treated as an object of reverence and worship. They are most common in western India.[2]

By about the 10th century sati, as understood today, was known across much of the subcontinent. It continued to occur, usually at a low frequency and with regional variations, until the early 19th century.

Some instances of voluntary self-immolation by both women and men that may be regarded as at least partly historical accounts are included in the Mahabharata and other works. However, large portions of these works are relatively late interpolations into an original story,[3] rendering difficult their use for reliable dating. Also, neither immolation nor the desire for self-immolation are regarded as a custom in the Mahabharata. Use of the term 'sati' to describe the custom of self-immolation never occurs in the Mahabarata, unlike other customs such as the Rajasuya yagna. Rather, the self-immolations are viewed as an expression of extreme grief at the loss of a beloved one.

The ritual has prehistoric roots, and many parallels from other cultures are known. Compare for example the ship burial of the Rus' described by Ibn Fadlan, where a female slave is burned with her master.[4]

Aristobulus of Cassandreia, a Greek historian who traveled to India with the expedition of Alexander the Great, recorded the practice of sati at the city of Taxila. A later instance of voluntary co-cremation appears in an account of an Indian soldier in the army of Eumenes of Cardia, whose two wives vied to die on his funeral pyre, in 316 BC. The Greeks believed that the practice had been instituted to discourage wives from poisoning their husbands.[5]

Voluntary death at funerals has been described in northern India before the Gupta empire. The original practices were called anumarana, and were uncommon. Anumarana was not comparable to later understandings of sati, since the practices were not restricted to widows — rather, anyone, male or female, with personal loyalty to the deceased could commit suicide at a loved one's funeral. These included the deceased's relatives, servants, followers, or friends. Sometimes these deaths stemmed from vows of loyalty,[2] and bear a slight resemblance to the later tradition of seppuku in Japan.[6]


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sati_(practice)

 

[atleast_a_bronze]

And honour killings in Pakistan....
I think that will lead the women/girls to heaven, just because it happens in Pakistan

 

[Jako]

Still being carried out?.....it is banned if you didnt get it......india and hinduism doesnt endorse it today.......what can govt do if some logger-heads suddenly remembers this bs once in 20yrs or so.......still its nowhere near to HONOR killings in pak......both are evil,and should be done away with.......but,uptill now india has been more successfull in rooting out such practices,thanks to a hindu-RAJA Rammohan Roy,who acted against it Loooooong back.

 

[Kompromat]

This is not in our religious scriptures,
I can understand your pain black blood, I know you are hurt by the fact that Islam is defamed, but then Its not our problem, your people left no stone unturned to ensure Islam is defamed.
Sanatan dharma does not refer to any sectarian process of religion, It is eternal function of the eternal living entities in relationship with the eternal supreme lord. Religion conveys idea of faith, and faith may change. One may have faith in particular process and he may change this faith and adopt another. Precisely what's happening in Islam

You are lying and denying on top of that.. read the following

Scriptures
Although the myth of the goddess Sati is that of a wife who dies by her own volition on a fire, this is not a case of the practice of sati. The goddess was not widowed, and the myth is quite unconnected with the justifications for the practice.

The Puranas have examples of women who commit sati and there are suggestions in them that this was considered desirable or praiseworthy: A wife who dies in the company of her husband shall remain in heaven as many years as there are hairs on his person. (Garuda Purana 1.107.29) According to 2.4.93 she stays with her husband in heaven during the rule of 14 Indras, i.e. a kalpa.

In the Ramayana, Tara, in her grief at the death of husband Vali, wished to commit sati. Hanuman, Rama, and the dying Vali dissuade her and she finally does not immolate herself. However, Sulochana wife of Indrajit (Meghanath) became Sati on his funeral pyre [30].

In the Mahabharata, Madri, the second wife of Pandu, immolates herself. She holds herself responsible for the death of her husband, who had been cursed with death if he ever had intercourse. He died while performing the forbidden act with Madri, who blamed herself for not having rejected his advances, although she was well aware of the curse.However it must be noted that this may be a much later addition to the Mahabharata as the entire epic as it exists now was not written and modified over millennia.

Passages in the Atharva Veda, including 13.3.1, offer advice to the widow on mourning and her life after widowhood, including her remarriage.

 

[weaponx]

.U posted y indian members r getting offended...i said plz check the title of the thread

"Hinduism Respects women rights by Burning her Alive."

tats y we r getting offended..

U have every right to speak...and so do we...bt remember for every nonsense statements u make...ppl will respond and then dont whine

Indian members are getting offended for some unknown reason , none of them have tried to explain it !

 

[idune]

Practice of Sati still prevalent in India

CJ: Shishir Srivastava Mon, Oct 13, 2008 22:49:38 IST

The Indian society might have progresses and move forward, but the social evil of Sati continues to haunt us. The shocking incident of a seventy one year old woman performing Sati in Chattisgarh a few days back is an eye opener for all of us.

THE PRACTICE of Sati has been a part of our society for ages with its inception being traced to the time of the Gupta period. Though Sati is illegal and is highly condemned in our society, the act of Sati bring performed in the 21st century has shocked people. Lalmati Verma aged seventy one and a resident of Chechar village in the Raipur district in Chattisgarh. Her husband Shivnandan Verma, a local had died of natural causes. Lalmati had come to the funeral dressed in a new sari. When her husband’s body had been almost burnt and the villagers were about to leave, Lalmati jumped into the pyre and was reduced to ashes in moments. Lalmati’s three sons were totally unaware of their mother’s plans. Lalmati was a member of the Kurmi caste, which is registered in the list of the OBC’s.

It is yet not known whether Lalmati chose to do this voluntarily or was pushed by someone. A police case has been registered and investigation is on. But the incident is a glaring example of how such incidents continue to occur in rural India inspite of all the modernisation and the development that urban India is facing today.

Since partition there have been more than forty cases of Sati, which have been documented. A majority of the cases have occurred in rural areas, with main reasons being attributed to lack of education and awareness of the law. Sati has always been condemned even at the time of the Mughal rulers, Humayun, Akbar and Aurangzeb had made all attempts to abolish the practice of Sati. Several religious groups have condemned the practice with Guru Nanak, the first Guru of the Sikhs speaking out against it. Raja Ram Mohan Roy, at the time of independence had fought to abolish the practice of Sati during the time of the freedom struggle.

The government has made its effort to ban the evil practice. After a few incidents that were reported in the 1980’s. The government passed the Sati prevention act of 1987 and also the Rajasthan Sati prevention ordinance of 1987, for most of the Sati acts were performed in regions of Rajasthan. Jaipur was also the last princely state to ban Sati during the British Raj in the year 1846.

The Sati prevention act of 1987, makes it illegal to “abet, glorify or attempt to commit Sati”. Abetment of Sati, includes forcing someone to commit Sati. Abetment can be punished by death sentence or life imprisonment, while glorifying Sati is punishable with one to seven years in prison.

Our society has moved forward by leaps and bounds in the past few decades, but some old practices like Sati are still prevalent in rural India despite several attempts made by the government to ban them. The key is to spread awareness amongst rural areas and make the people realise the evils associated with this practice. Till such cases of Sati continue to be performed we cannot call ourselves a developed nation. It is a shame for our society till this heinous practice continues to go on.

Practice of Sati still prevalent in India

 

[jaunty]

Pakistan: Three teenage girls buried alive in tribal 'honour' killing​

Saeed Shah in Islamabad
The Guardian, Monday 1 September 2008

Three teenage girls have been buried alive by their tribe in a remote part of Pakistan to punish them for attempting to choose their own husbands, in an "honour" killing case.

After news of the deaths emerged, male politicians from their province, Baluchistan, defended the killings in parliament, claiming the practice was part of "our tribal custom".

The girls, thought to have been aged between 16 and 18, were kidnapped by a group of men from their Umrani tribe.

They were driven to a rural area and then injured by being shot. Then, while still alive, they were dragged bleeding to a pit, where they were covered with earth and stones, according to the findings of Human Rights Watch, the international campaigning group. Officials, speaking off the record, confirmed the killings.

However, six weeks after the deaths, no one has been arrested, amid claims of a cover-up. According to several accounts, Baluchistan government vehicles were used to abduct the girls, and the killing was overseen by a tribal chief who is the brother of a provincial minister from the ruling Pakistan People's party.

Some reports said that two older relatives of the girls had tried to intervene, but they too were shot and buried with the girls while still alive. "This is a heinous criminal offence," said Ali Dayan Hasan, of Human Rights Watch. "We have corroborated it and cross-corroborated it, but the second the police admit that it happened, it would trigger an investigation."

Hasan said that, with a presidential election on September 6, one in which Baluchistan's provincial parliament would be strongly relied on to deliver votes, action that would antagonise the region's politicians was highly unlikely.

In Pakistan's national parliament, an MP from Baluchistan, Israrullah Zehri, said on Friday that "this action was carried out according to tribal traditions", a view backed up by some other male lawmakers, who attacked a woman senator who had raised the case.

"These are centuries-old traditions and I will continue to defend them," Zehri added over the weekend.

The killings happened in the Naseerabad district of Baluchistan. Although so-called honour killings are not unusual, burying the victims alive seems to have been brutal even by tribal standards.

"It is very common for women in these cases to be deprived of an honourable burial. This is to make sure others learn the lesson," said Samar Minallah, a human rights activist based in Islamabad.

Sarang Mastoi, a local journalist in Baluchistan with Pakistan channel KTN, said that the villagers were scared to talk openly about the crime, but he had been taken by some to see the burial site.

Under tribal - not religious - tradition, marriages are carefully arranged by elders. Marrying without permission is considered an affront to the honour of the tribe. Sadiq Umrani, a provincial minister, has admitted that the girls were buried alive but denied the involvement of his brother.

An editorial, published in Pakistani daily The News yesterday, said: "Surely the government should be seeking the murderers, not protect [them] through some dark conspiracy of silence. The fact the act was 'kept quiet' means the government sympathises with such doings."

Pakistan: Three teenage girls buried alive in tribal 'honour' killing | World news | The Guardian

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@ Black blood what is your views on this. Does Islam allow or teach you guys to do this. Or if it is off topic here shall we start a new thread on 'honor killing'--what say? Or do you need some videos of atrocities against women in Muslim world and bangladeshi freeloader Isune, can you help me in googling about this...Get a life people