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Here’s What It Feels Like To Be A Muslim In India

extremist factions are on the rise in india and hate against muslims is being piled up on a daily basis...
it is actually sad to see the state of affairs of muslims in india and how they are discriminated against, like for example the job fiasco...
There are people in India who hate Muslims. There are people in India who hate Sikhs. There are people in India who hate Hindus. There are people in India who hate Sachin Tendulkar. There are people in India who hate Game of Thrones. There are people in India who love Rahul Gandhi.

Point is that India is a country of 1.3 Billion. People are free to love and hate anyone and anything. So just because some people hate Muslims doesn't mean much on INDIA level.

Now about extremism. India is seeing a decline in extremism from the past many decades. India is not focusing on economic growth rather ran religious sentimental growth. So your perception is wrong.
 
I don't think there is any need to prove the patriotism of Indian Muslims. And for that matter any other Indian community. We all love our country.
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Yes you are right we are first Indians then we are hindus, muslims, christians and whatever. And no indian needs to prove its patriotism. :-)
 
haha..let me tell you, whatever they taught you in your country about India and it's various religious minorities, cannot be any more far from reality.

See, why do they tell you that ? Because Pakistan was created on the basis of the notion that Muslim minorities cannot live freely in Hindu dominated India. So, if there is religious harmony in India, it means the reason for creation of Pakistan becomes irrelevant. That;s why for nationalistic interest, it is required for Pakistan to spread a propaganda that minorities are not safe in India and thereby lead the life of a second class citizen. Which means, being Pakistanis, they made the right choice and are safer. Let me tell you frankly, that's a lie.

India on the other hand, does not have any such handicap. We don't need a boogeyman to create a garrison-state in
order to keep us together.

That's the insight that you get by interacting with an Indian in an online forum, which, otherwise would not have been possible.

if you don't need a boogeyman then why is your media coverage filled with next door "atomi quuat"?

truth is indian media and politicians are both scared of Pakistan and feeding the regular folk the false bravado that doesn't exist so feels at home with all the moral and social devaluation that is happening in India... along with the economic poverty that both countries enjoy...

as far as religious harmony is concerned yes we did see religious harmony in detail in the gujarat riots...

ooh so Pakistan is spreading propaganda? might as well sue the BBC for publishing "fake rape stories", what a fake kind of tolerance...

least of all i don't want to live in a country where the ordinary folk prefers to take a crap in the open...

Forget country, they created an entire new planet for Indian Muslims in 1947.
not much actually... there were still a few muslim majority areas such as hyderabad left...
 
truth is indian media and politicians are both scared of Pakistan

lolwa....

all i don't want to live in a country where the ordinary folk prefers to take a crap in the open..

May be it's because they can't afford two meals a day ?

No of hungry people in India falling but rising in Pakistan: Report - timesofindia-economictimes

if you don't need a boogeyman then why is your media coverage filled with next door "atomi quuat"?

doube lol,its filled with bollywood gossip & political junk most of the time .

as far as religious harmony is concerned yes we did see religious harmony in detail in the gujarat riots.

This is a secular nation.
 
Often stereotyped, Muslims are usually misunderstood in our country.

Watch this endearing video to see some of our brothers and sisters lay bare their thoughts about life as a Muslim in India.


P.S. We love India :-):-):smitten:

Thanks for the video !
 
Talk about unbiased opinion...
This is a secular nation.
With hindu fanatics...
doube lol,its filled with bollywood gossip & political junk most of the time .
And lot of your "political junk" contains Pakistan "ka atinkwadi kabootar" wali stories...

lolwa....
:)
 
if you don't need a boogeyman then why is your media coverage filled with next door "atomi quuat"?
1. You expect the media NOT to report, when the Agriculture and Irrigation Minister of Pakistan threatens India with nukes ? lol!!
truth is indian media and politicians are both scared of Pakistan and feeding the regular folk the false bravado that doesn't exist so feels at home with all the moral and social devaluation that is happening in India... along with the economic poverty that both countries enjoy...
Hahaha..Is this what they tell you back at home ? India is the bigger power and always has been so. The same has been reflected in all the wars.
Are you even aware of the indicators ? India's defence budget alone is greater than Pakistan's entire federal budget.
India has already reduced it's poverty by half than what it was in 1990. did they tell you that too ? No of course not.
as far as religious harmony is concerned yes we did see religious harmony in detail in the gujarat riots...
Yes, of course one will mention that and riots did happen and it is indeed a black chapter for our nation. However, the rule of law prevailed, the situation was controlled and now the perpetrators are being prosecuted.
ooh so Pakistan is spreading propaganda? might as well sue the BBC for publishing "fake rape stories", what a fake kind of tolerance...
BBC has it's own ideology and may not always be in your interest too. However, you were quick to accept that because you wanted to believe and give yourself a reasoning that India indeed is a bad place in every possible aspect.
Do you know what the real statistics are ? Both UK and Pakistan have 15 times more rapes happening per-capita than in India.
least of all i don't want to live in a country where the ordinary folk prefers to take a crap in the open...
Are you sure about that ? 50% of Pakistanis defecate out in the open.
 
of course we love India.
Hindustan is our Country. we are not Aliens or outsiders. ye hamare Baap Dada ki zameen hai.
e mere desh to jie 1000ro saal !:smitten:
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1. You expect the media NOT to report, when the Agriculture and Irrigation Minister of Pakistan threatens India with nukes ? lol!!
in reply to terrorism threats of course we will reply, i fully endorse his statement...
Hahaha..Is this what they tell you back at home ? India is the bigger power and always has been so. The same has been reflected in all the wars.
Are you even aware of the indicators ? India's defence budget alone is greater than Pakistan's entire federal budget.
India has already reduced it's poverty by half than what it was in 1990. did they tell you that too ? No of course not.
Our media is not littered with india specific news, sadly bollywood is there but nothing else...
Both countries have reduced their poverty levels, nothing surprising here...
Defence budget lol... wonder who has more nukes...
Yes, of course one will mention that and riots did happen and it is indeed a black chapter for our nation. However, the rule of law prevailed, the situation was controlled and now the perpetrators are being prosecuted.
That is a good thing and the sooner the better but sadly you made the biggest perpetrator your PM...
BBC has it's own ideology and may not always be in your interest too. However, you were quick to accept that because you wanted to believe and give yourself a reasoning that India indeed is a bad place in every possible aspect.
Do you know what the real statistics are ? Both UK and Pakistan have 15 times more rapes happening per-capita than in India.
oh wow you didn't only mention uk you had to apply the same to Pakistan, which is a country with a conservative society for the most part... just wow dude... i am not saying there arent any rapes here but saying they are double that of indias is exaggerating it by a thousand times, but someone here doesn'y rape a woman unless they can handle a bullet or two, not the brightest thing but true and results are gruesome, so better avoid it... this post of yours is based on pure non sense...
Are you sure about that ? 50% of Pakistanis defecate out in the open.
oh damn i live in my own country and an indian know better than me, and why 50 % why not 99.99 % bet that'd suit your narrative better... a false one though...
 
in reply to terrorism threats of course we will reply, i fully endorse his statement...
You missed the fun part.. That the Agriculture minister throwing nukes made of paper fuelled by imagination. :D

Both countries have reduced their poverty levels, nothing surprising here...
Again, do you have the statistics ? Or just assumed something ?
Defence budget lol... wonder who has more nukes...
Do you know that ?
That is a good thing and the sooner the better but sadly you made the biggest perpetrator your PM...
Says who ?
oh wow you didn't only mention uk you had to apply the same to Pakistan, which is a country with a conservative society for the most part... just wow dude.
Because a Pakistani was quoting me that. Sounds unfair ?
.. i am not saying there arent any rapes here but saying they are double that of indias is exaggerating it by a thousand times, but someone here doesn'y rape a woman unless they can handle a bullet or two, not the brightest thing but true and results are gruesome, so better avoid it... this post of yours is based on pure non sense...
I'm not saying it's double. It's actual 15 time more, per capita.
oh damn i live in my own country and an indian know better than me, and why 50 % why not 99.99 % bet that'd suit your narrative better... a false one though...
52pc of Pakistanis combat insanitary conditions
 
Anyway for us no difference between a Hindu or a Muslim Bharti.
 
You missed the fun part.. That the Agriculture minister throwing nukes made of paper fuelled by imagination. :D
you'll know when they'll come, till then sit tight... :)

Again, do you have the statistics ? Or just assumed something ?
common sense, hundreds of reports are published every year, cant keep track of all of them... a few days ago one was from bloomeberg...


Do you know that ?
nope i took that from netutral observers who monitor the nuclear advancements...

Says who ?
Murica! :)


Because a Pakistani was quoting me that. Sounds unfair ?
you talked about pakistan, i am a pakistani...


I'm not saying it's double. It's actual 15 time more, per capita.
ok ok good good... actually we have 1 million time more rapes... happy now, too bad it cant be true...

52pc of Pakistanis combat insanitary conditions
did you even bother to read the article? 23!=53
and most of them live in rural areas, i live in a city, hardly seen 2 3 people pissing on the side ways... was the most disguting thing ever, made me very frustrated...
 

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