Help me in debated against Pakistani Army

[_alee]

Hi,

there is some colleague of mine who is in continuous favor of that america should take control of pakistan's mission against terrorism to wipe out taliban and i am trying to pursue him that it's the ultimate plan of america to destablize the pakistan to that extent that it was forced to ask america to help her - ultimately getting control over it's nuclear arsenal and to weak the ONLY ISLAMIC super power.

Day by day, he is giving the facts which are being published in MEDIA whose sole purpose is to portray the pakistan which america wants to and on the basis of this he is saying that PAKISTAN's army should be WIPE OUT and this mission should be accomplished by someone else. right now he is giving me facts from this site

//w w w . thenews.com. pk /daily_detail. asp ?id=171140
(since i can't post url before 15 posts, i am writing it in this way)

can someone please help me out .. ?

 

[genmirajborgza786]

who are this guy's that is doing these dirty job's please provide more information about them they need to be caught
thanx

 

[_alee]

yeah i know that .. that's why i am trying to pursue him. he don't come to this forum or wun believe watever is being said by someone in this fourm unless i don't give him facts.

I'll try my best to bring him over .. but right now i need help to give him some speechless dose.

 

[Xeric]

Well you just bring him here if he has the guts to talk and prove what he think in front of people equaling his match. We'll take the job there on!

On the contrary this forum is filled with issues and articles that would get you enough of data to support your claims. You may like to search it.

And if you can be a bit more specific to a particular topic, i mean let us know about a single issue that he and you want to debate..we'll answer to it and then you may like to quote it further to him.

 

[shravan]

_alee

Just tell you friend America if given full power will denuclearize Pakistan because it wants to see Japan & India (Tell him About the Indian Nuclear deal) to be the most powerful in Asia not China. Because it fears if china not controlled in Asia would be the next superpower which is not good for America.

 

[_alee]

i m continuously trying to bring him hear .. but he is kind a orthodox who like to believe on the things which are being printed in thenews, dailytimes etc and don't want to put an eye on other facts. Right now i am going through the forum to get information about anything that india/america is actually trying to spread all this here.

when ever i start things with him .. after arguing on what i said .. he start on the issue that pakistan should have never been freed from india. the 1947 was a great MESS .. .. the army is actually those BRITISH PUPPETS which were given to pakistan at the time of partition and till now they are the same.

I said it that would the case then in 1965 pakistan would not have been able to DEFEND against 10 times bigger country. if that would be the case then 1971 could have result in more than 2 pakistans .. and if they would have been the case indiw would have invaded pakistan in the start of this year when their MIRAJ flew over pakistan boundaries.

 

[_alee]

_alee

Just tell you friend America if given full power will denuclearize Pakistan because it wants to see Japan & India (Tell him About the Indian Nuclear deal) to be the most powerful in Asia not China. Because it fears if china not controlled in Asia would be the next superpower which is not good for America.

which nuclear deal .. can you give me some reference.

I am giving each and every bit of Things (without references since i don't have it) .. .. I have even asked him to read that rand report which was published earlier from american think tanks

 

[Xeric]

i m continuously trying to bring him hear .. but he is kind a orthodox who like to believe on the things which are being printed in thenews, dailytimes etc and don't want to put an eye on other facts. Right now i am going through the forum to get information about anything that india/america is actually trying to spread all this here.

when ever i start things with him .. after arguing on what i said .. he start on the issue that pakistan should have never been freed from india. the 1947 was a great MESS .. .. the army is actually those BRITISH PUPPETS which were given to pakistan at the time of partition and till now they are the same.

I said it that would the case then in 1965 pakistan would not have been able to DEFEND against 10 times bigger country. if that would be the case then 1971 could have result in more than 2 pakistans .. and if they would have been the case indiw would have invaded pakistan in the start of this year when their MIRAJ flew over pakistan boundaries.

Tell him to go settle in india.
Like this we don't have to waste time in 'grooming' another pervert.

 

[ajpirzada]

man just go and simply ask them how will US be successful in this mission against terrorism when they have failed miserably in afghanistan. also y do they think that more pakistani wont rise against US and not form their own lashkar to fight against US troops in pakistan??? so how exactly do they think US will succeed in pakistan while it has failed in afghanistan

 

[dabong1]

"pakistan should have never been freed from india. the 1947 was a great MESS"

Jinnah said that muslims living in india woud end up at the bottom of every social-economic indicator.....which has come true.
Ask you freind to move to india and then tell us if pakistan shuld have been made.

 

[_alee]

that's what i said to him during our last conversation ..

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[12:50 PM] ME:
then who will stop us being invaded from india, america (indireclty)
[12:50 PM] HIM:
i dont know whats wrong with inida taking these lands
[12:50 PM] HIM:
afterall it was all india 63 years vback
[12:50 PM] ME:
at least ARMY stood for pakistan .. .. no doubt the OFFICERS doesn't .. bt at least the lower rank did
[12:51 PM] ME:
lolz ..
[12:51 PM] ME:
COOL ..
[12:51 PM] ME:
why dun you apply for "indian immigration"
[12:51 PM] ME:
..
[12:51 PM] HIM:
i dont need it,
[12:51 PM] HIM:
reality is coutnries dont matter
[12:51 PM] HIM:
they keep comign and going
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[Xeric]

On the other hand if he is so pissed off on being a Pakistani, please tell him that it is only because of this independent Pakistan that he still is free and can do whatever he wants. there was no harm for us Muslims to stay together withe the hindus in india, but the only reason that we asked for a separate country was so that we can practice our religion and our own life style freely.

Now many inidans on this forum would argue that whether the indian Muslims are not enjoying the same privileges as india claims to be a secular country. My answer to this would be NO!
Here are the reasons:
Yes the Muslims in india are free to do whet ever they want to but the indian cultures influence over them has taken away all that you need to be a guud Muslim.

just wearing shalwar kamiz and a arabic hanki over the shoulder while wearing a skull cap and a beard doen't make you a muslim. i'll give here a very simple example of a famous indian icon, farah khan though being a Muslim doesn't show any signs of being one. The way she dress up showing away her old aged cleavage and they way she conduct herself is not what a Muslim women do. i am not trying to be a hardliner here but there are certain limits which are not to be crossed what ever the case may be. Marrying like a hindu and them like a muslim is doesn't that Islam allows.

Now i m sure many indian friends would be feeling strange in this, but the fact remains that we are NOT secular and we are proud of it. That's why we have named the country the Islamic republic of Pakistan not a secular republic or something else!

Now this is what i want to argue about...this was what our forefather who decided to get separated from the hindus knew that we would be like 'dhobi ka ***** na ghar ka na ghat ka'. sandwiched between the actual Islam and the Islam that 'others' tell us.

So we need to maintain are uniqueness, ofcousre not the on that the extremist/radical muslims follow but the actual Islam that we are supposed to follow!

And getting a separate Pakistan was the only solution.

Though as the indians claim that they will pollute are youth by winning a media war, we have many idiots like the friend of _elee but still we have been successful in maintaining our own ideology and it is only because we are Pakistanis and are away from 'other'

_alee i hope this will soothe your friend a bit!

 

[shravan]

"pakistan should have never been freed from india. the 1947 was a great MESS"

Jinnah said that muslims living in india woud end up at the bottom of every social-economic indicator.....which has come true.
Ask you freind to move to india and then tell us if pakistan shuld have been made.

YUP THEY ALL ARE POOR. Muslims in India are Not allowed to become Actors, Musicians, Singers, Politicians, Cricketers, Scientists, Engineers, etc. We treat them like ****.

The sad part is the Muslims who are poor in India are the ones who want laws like Saudi Arabia and don't want to work because they will not be able to pray 5 times a day.

 

[ajpirzada]

countries do matter when majority of muslims in one country are in lower income group while in other they are in a lot better condition.

 

[ajpirzada]

YUP THEY ALL ARE POOR. Muslims in India are Not allowed to become Actors, Musicians, Singers, Politicians, Cricketers, Scientists, Engineers, etc. We treat them like ****.

The sad part is the Muslims who are poor in India are the ones who want laws like Saudi Arabia and don't want to work because they will not be able to pray 5 times a day.

i knew this was coming from someone. u cant describe the condition of a group of ppl by only referrin to few individuals. look at the whole group and ull see that most of them are living in poor condition relative to other citizens. no offence