Hellenoturkism

[Yankee-stani]

Bulgarian nationalist retards use Turkic symbols while at the same time they deny their Turkic past Lmaoooo

Those ebil TURKS OPPRESED US AND SHEIITTT MAMA RUSSIA HELP US

Greeks and Armenians live for revenge they may act nice but when the time comes they would drown Turks with a teaspoon of water.

They hate us and we hate them.

Dont you blame the Anglo revison of their history for causing the Anti-Turk sentiment in the 1800s

 

[Damir877]

Greeks and Armenians live for revenge they may act nice but when the time comes they would drown Turks with a teaspoon of water.

They hate us and we hate them.

Speaking of hating Turks and wanting revenge,you can also add Serbs and Bulgarians to that list...

 

[Yankee-stani]

Speaking of hating Turks and wanting revenge,you can also add Serbs and Bulgarians to that list...

Doesnt Bulgaria have a large Turkish and Pomak population tho and what about Macedonians and Albanians

 

[Damir877]

Doesnt Bulgaria have a large Turkish and Pomak population tho and what about Macedonians and Albanians

Yes they do,ask any Turk about how Bulgarians view them(Especially those who were around when the ethnic cleansing in the 80's happened.)
Macedonians,generally are neutral towards Turkey.One one hand like most of the Balkan they were under Ottomans,which they aren't very happy about,but after gaining independence, strong Turkish support has improved their image of Turks a lot.Turkish minority here does not face any troubles by the state or any ethnic group whatsoever.
Albanians(generally)view Turkey and Turks positively...

 

[Yankee-stani]

Yes they do,ask any Turk about how Bulgarians view them(Especially those who were around when the ethnic cleansing in the 80's happened.)
Macedonians,generally are neutral towards Turkey.One one hand like most of the Balkan they were under Ottomans,which they aren't very happy about,but after gaining independence, strong Turkish support has improved their image of Turks a lot.Turkish minority here does not face any troubles by the state or any ethnic group whatsoever.
Albanians(generally)view Turkey and Turks positively...

I am aware of the policies taken by Communist Bulgaria towards the Turks in the 80s but since you are from Macedonia whats your thoughts on the new name deal with Greece

 

[Damir877]

I am aware of the policies taken by Communist Bulgaria towards the Turks in the 80s but since you are from Macedonia whats your thoughts on the new name deal with Greece

It's pretty sensitive for Macedonians.I think the whole problem was bull..to start with since the begining and it should have been solved when it appeared (early 90's).However no one here was serious about finding a solution until it became a condition for Macedonia joining NATO.
Just for a quick reminder,Macedonia was ready to join NATO and was supposed to be invited together with Croatia and Albania in 2008(Bucharest summit).
Despite strong US and Turkish support,Greece vetoed it and overnight resolving the name issue became main condition for acceptance of Mk in NATO and European Union.(Before that it was only a bilateral issue between the two countries involved.)
After a decade of political turmoils and 10% of population migrating in western Europe I like most people here believe it's time to join NATO and EU,since Macedonia with it's 2 million citizens and fragile democracy can hardly stand on it's own without major allies,joining those two organizations will not only improve the life of the people here,but assure the future of the country itself.
So personally i think it wasn't fair that a bilateral problem was made MK-NATO problem,however there isn't much of a choice.
Also worth noting is that I am ethnic Bosniak,if I was ethnic Macedonian i would probably be pissed(like many are)about the name change.

 

[Yankee-stani]

It's pretty sensitive for Macedonians.I think the whole problem was bull..to start with since the begining and it should have been solved when it appeared (early 90's).However no one here was serious about finding a solution until it became a condition for Macedonia joining NATO.
Just for a quick reminder,Macedonia was ready to join NATO and was supposed to be invited together with Croatia and Albania in 2008(Bucharest summit).
Despite strong US and Turkish support,Greece vetoed it and overnight resolving the name issue became main condition for acceptance of Mk in NATO and European Union.(Before that it was only a bilateral issue between the two countries involved.)
After a decade of political turmoils and 10% of population migrating in western Europe I like most people here believe it's time to join NATO and EU,since Macedonia with it's 2 million citizens and fragile democracy can hardly stand on it's own without major allies,joining those two organizations will not only improve the life of the people here,but assure the future of the country itself.
So personally i think it wasn't fair that a bilateral problem was made MK-NATO problem,however there isn't much of a choice.
Also worth noting is that I am ethnic Bosniak,if I was ethnic Macedonian i would probably be pissed(like many are)about the name change.

What are Macedonians view towards Russia is it like Ukraine wary or like Serbia spilt between pro Russia and pro EU ambitions I know many Greeks here make a big deal about FYROM and how they bitch about the name in fact their rallies about it their stores even have sighs saying "Greece is Macedonia" or some shit like that

 

[Damir877]

What are Macedonians view towards Russia is it like Ukraine wary or like Serbia spilt between pro Russia and pro EU ambitions I know many Greeks here make a big deal about FYROM and how they bitch about the name in fact their rallies about it their stores even have sighs saying "Greece is Macedonia" or some shit like that

They have mostly positive feelings toward Russia,but that is pretty much where it ends.Russia has never been very involved in any way here,it almost seems like they have no interests in this area at all.Some pro Russian activists appeared a few months ago with slogans like "no to NATO",and asking for a Macedonian Russian alliance but there are too few of them.Time in which they showed up it's also interesting only days after NATO officials stating that after solving the name dispute Macedonia will be welcomed to join immediately.
As is said they are too few and too late to be considered a factor.

As far as Greeks go,personally i think they have some issue with the existence of this country and the name is only an excuse to continue the hostility they started since day one of Macedonia becoming independent.

In 1995 the flag was changed,now the name,let's wait and see what they will come up with next.

 

[Yankee-stani]

They have mostly positive feelings toward Russia,but that is pretty much where it ends.Russia has never been very involved in any way here,it almost seems like they have no interests in this area at all.Some pro Russian activists appeared a few months ago with slogans like "no to NATO",and asking for a Macedonian Russian alliance but there are too few of them.Time in which they showed up it's also interesting only days after NATO officials stating that after solving the name dispute Macedonia will be welcomed to join immediately.
As is said they are too few and too late to be considered a factor.

As far as Greeks go,personally i think they have some issue with the existence of this country and the name is only an excuse to continue the hostility they started since day one of Macedonia becoming independent.

In 1995 the flag was changed,now the name,let's wait and see what they will come up with next.

Do you prefer Yugoslavia or the current Balkan status quo hmm I guess Macedonians are looking for benefits they may like the NATO or EU for its views but Russia seems more focused on Serbia,Ukraine,and Belarus

 

[Damir877]

When it comes to military partnerships Macedonia's strongest ally have been USA followed by Turkey.Economically it's EU(Germany and UK).So even the most hardcore nationalists are very clear about the path Macedonia should take.

 

[Yankee-stani]

When it comes to military partnerships Macedonia's strongest ally have been USA followed by Turkey.Economically it's EU(Germany and UK).So even the most hardcore nationalists are very clear about the path Macedonia should take.

I am guessing after Bosnia, Macedonia are generally pro Turkish

 

[Dante80]

This bullshit only comes from Turks, no union, walk into a Greek or Armenian cafe and say that, they will kill you.

To be honest, the idea of Hellenoturkism is not a new one, and - historically speaking - a lot of Greek people ascribed to it - or at least, a lot more than presumed here.
The life work of Dr. Dimitri Kitsikis on the subject is very indicative of said interest. I've personally read his book Türk-Yunan İmparatorluğu on the subject at hand, it has pretty good arguments inside.

 

[Yankee-stani]

To be honest, the idea of Hellenoturkism is not a new one, and - historically speaking - a lot of Greek people ascribed to it - or at least, a lot more than presumed here.
The life work of Dr. Dimitri Kitsikis on the subject is very indicative of said interest. I've personally read his book Türk-Yunan İmparatorluğu on the subject at hand, it has pretty good arguments inside.

Yeah I have heard of Dimitri Kitskikis he envisons a Chinese Centric world and a Greco-Turkic confederation that would rule over Europe on some lines like that he has a twitter accouant a bit nutty but he is intresting guy

They should do more turkification. Add to that there was many Balkan regions like Bulgaria and Moldova who were ruled by Turkic kipchaks,cumans, and bulgars


Bulgarians are denying their Turkic roots

Yeah the Bulgarians should cut it out with that

 

[Damir877]

I am guessing after Bosnia, Macedonia are generally pro Turkish

I would say after Bosnia is Kosovo,for now.But yeah considering the growing economic and all other kinds of cooperation Macedonian-Turkish relations are becoming stronger by the day...

 

[Yankee-stani]

I would say after Bosnia is Kosovo,for now.But yeah considering the growing economic and all other kinds of cooperation Macedonian-Turkish relations are becoming stronger by the day...

Hmmm what about relations with Greece