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Heavy military spending in India and Pakistan has been detrimental to the citizens of both countries, a US think-tank said on Thursday while urging the two neighbours to reinvest in trade and confidence building.
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Heavy military spending in India and Pakistan has been detrimental to the citizens of both countries, a US think-tank said on Thursday while urging the two neighbours to reinvest in trade and confidence building.

The Washington-based Atlantic Council warns that “Kashmir remains a potential global flashpoint that could escalate into a nuclear war very quickly.”

The council’s report ---“India and Pakistan: The Opportunity Cost of Conflict” --- explains how high defence spending and low economic integration into South Asia’s regional economy have come at the expense of those living in poverty.

Although many in the two countries now favour rapprochement, the report argues that “unless both sides begin a dialogue on economic and military relations, these issues will only worsen.”

Authors Suhja Nawaz and Mohan Guruswamy point out that today Pakistan has a population of 200 million and India 1.2 billion. The United Nations Development Programme’s human development indicators show that 21per cent of Pakistan’s population lives on under $1.25 a day. In India’s case, while this has come down from 41.6pc in 2005, but it has now become relatively obdurate at 22.6 pc.

The report notes that this coincides with a period when India’s gross domestic product grew at an average of over 7.4 pc, while Pakistan’s economic condition deteriorated very clearly suggesting the need to maintain high levels of GDP growth to make a dent on poverty.

Yet both countries’ defence spending continued to rise in real terms, especially in the period 1998-2010, with India’s defence expenditures growing in constant dollars from some $20 billion to over $45 billion and Pakistan’s from slightly below $5 billion to slightly more than $5 billion over this period.

The share of this spending in the GDP of both countries has declined over this period, with India’s declining from under 5pc to under 3pc and Pakistan rising initially from below 3pc to over 3 pc in 1999 and 2000 to below 3 pc in 2010.

In a foreword for the report, former US Secretary of State George P Shultz notes that the cost of the military itself is substantial.

“But the cost of arms and armies is only part of the problem. Here we have two countries full of competent people and many complementary capabilities,” he writes. “In this setting, trade should be booming, much to the benefit of people in both countries. Instead, trade is at a mere trickle.”

For confidence building, the report suggests increased people-to-people contacts which, it argues, will eliminate old stereotypes that fuel fears of each other. It also encourages direct communications between the two militaries, through exchange visits and more transparency about their military plans and movements. Open borders for trade and tourism and joint investments in energy, water, and export industries would also help.

Showing the inadequacy of military build-up for strengthening national security; the report points out: “Increased spending has not brought foolproof security to either country. Indeed, their threats have changed much over the decades. Internal militancy and insurgencies continue to bedevil both states.”

It notes that “the production of newer missiles and tactical nuclear weapons adds further volatility and danger to this mix. Unless both sides can begin a dialogue on economic and military relations, they will continue to feed their defence budgets, increasing the opportunity costs of such expenditures.”

It recommends that India and Pakistan should reduce the proximity of their land forces by increasing the distance from borders of their respective forces.

While India and Pakistan may still be far away from evolving open borders to allow people to move freely, they could have open borders for trade. A big bilateral trade then invests in the peace constituencies in both countries. Business relationships make nations more pragmatic and accommodating,” says the report.

“India and Pakistan seriously need to invest efforts in expanding trade and investment to the fullest extent possible. An annual bilateral trade between India and Pakistan may result in a GDP trajectory that could be as much as 1.5 pc more than present,” it adds.

“This will represent a fourfold increase in trade and both sides have much to gain in terms of lower prices and timely supplies,” the Atlantic Council argues.
 
Utter BS for India's part. It spends less than 2% of its GDP which is an all time low for the past few decades. Most nations including developing nations spend far more.


The West needs to stop grouping India and Pakistan together.

Pakistan spends more than 5% if their GDP and 25% of their national budget goes on defence.

Apples and oranges.
 
Utter BS for India's part. It spends less than 2% of its GDP which is an all time low for the past few decades. Most nations including developing nations spend far more.


The West needs to stop grouping India and Pakistan together.

Pakistan spends more than 5% if their GDP and 25% of their national budget goes on defence.

Apples and oranges.
Why u had to reply with details, u could have just said "look who is talking" , US of A spends 4% and still they preach to other's. Hypocrites.
 
Utter BS for India's part. It spends less than 2% of its GDP which is an all time low for the past few decades. Most nations including developing nations spend far more.


The West needs to stop grouping India and Pakistan together.

Pakistan spends more than 5% if their GDP and 25% of their national budget goes on defence.

Apples and oranges.

West is also concerned about India .They way India behaves towards Western nations is not good fro them in long terms and they know that.They will stay away from here.Because her we will decide the matters.Like we kick them out from negotitations
about Kashmir.
India's defence spending is too less and we dont beg IMF for bail out.
 
Why u had to reply with details, u could have just said "look who is talking" , US of A spends 4% and still they preach to other's. Hypocrites.

US is a developed country ...and the standard of living it provides to its people is undisputable .

they have right to their opinion.

I always have talked about their hypocrisy ..and hate them for that .

But when it comes to overall standard of living ...I agree with them ...

we have long way to go to achieve even modest of what they cater to their people ...

Utter BS for India's part. It spends less than 2% of its GDP which is an all time low for the past few decades. Most nations including developing nations spend far more.


The West needs to stop grouping India and Pakistan together.

Pakistan spends more than 5% if their GDP and 25% of their national budget goes on defence.

Apples and oranges.

Couldn't agree with you more ...

Our defense expenditure is well within limits and we can sustain it and it has got little to do with poverty eradication .


Our failure to provide to improve standard of living of our masses is linked to several other factors .

Yet one can't deny that India -Pakistan would have been better of fighting with poverty than fighting each other !
 
US is a developed country ...and the standard of living it provides to its people is undisputable .

they have right to their opinion.

I always have talked about their hypocrisy ..and hate them for that .

But when it comes to overall standard of living ...I agree with them ...

we have long way to go to achieve even modest of what they cater to their people ...



Couldn't agree with you more ...

Our defense expenditure is well within limits and we can sustain it and it has got little to do with poverty eradication .


Our failure to provide to improve standard of living of our masses is linked to several other factors .

Yet one can't deny that India -Pakistan would have been better of fighting with poverty than fighting each other !
Rome was not built in one day, we improved a lot and we will improve more and more, Americans should watch thr sorry economy first the days of they trying to being global boss are long.
 
Rome was not built in one day, we improved a lot and we will improve more and more, Americans should watch thr sorry economy first the days of they trying to being global boss are long.

we have been building ourselves for last 6 decades ...we haven't made even a good beginning ....
after 6 decades we have world's third of poor , hungry , malnourished ....


Don't tell me that it's going to take 1,000 years ....

China which was worse than India ...has done much better ...
 
we have been building ourselves for last 6 decades ...we haven't made even a good beginning ....
after 6 decades we have world's third of poor , hungry , malnourished ....


Don't tell me that it's going to take 1,000 years ....

China which was worse than India ...has done much better ...
Why just see the sad side? Why dont see we became third largest economy in just 67 years, we are top ten on every good thing one can imagine, just imagine where we can be in next 60 year. Compairing to china and get sad is worst thing one can do,
 
Why just see the sad side? Why dont see we became third largest economy in just 67 years, we are top ten on every good thing one can imagine, just imagine where we can be in next 60 year. Compairing to china and get sad is worst thing one can do,

Tell that good news to those hungry , poor , malnourished and dying ...
May be they will thank us for allowing them to suffer & die in " Prospering , third largest economy while being in top ten on every good thing one can imagine ( whatever that means ...)
 
Tell that good news to those hungry , poor , malnourished and dying ...
May be they will thank us for allowing them to suffer & die in " Prospering , third largest economy while being in top ten on every good thing one can imagine ( whatever that means ...)
Yeah sure then why don't u just suggest that india should stop spending every single penny on defense or space programs so that poor could eat, a poor can't be made rich by stopping a rich buying gold, 67 years ago more then 70 percent were today only 30percent are, in next 50 yeara more will reduce. And why don't u give up ur internet spending? That can be enough for feeding a poor for few days. Preaching is easy but real life doesn't work that way.
 
Utter BS for India's part. It spends less than 2% of its GDP which is an all time low for the past few decades. Most nations including developing nations spend far more.


The West needs to stop grouping India and Pakistan together.

Pakistan spends more than 5% if their GDP and 25% of their national budget goes on defence.

Apples and oranges.
India spends about 1.8% of GDP and 12 % of national budget for defence.
 
Yeah sure then why don't u just suggest that india should stop spending every single penny on defense or space programs so that poor could eat, a poor can't be made rich by stopping a rich buying gold, 67 years ago more then 70 percent were today only 30percent are, in next 50 yeara more will reduce. And why don't u give up ur internet spending? That can be enough for feeding a poor for few days. Preaching is easy but real life doesn't work that way.

do you know what is our definition of 'poor' based on which we say that today only 30 % are poor ???
 
Utter BS for India's part. It spends less than 2% of its GDP which is an all time low for the past few decades. Most nations including developing nations spend far more.


The West needs to stop grouping India and Pakistan together.

Pakistan spends more than 5% if their GDP and 25% of their national budget goes on defence.

Apples and oranges.

Where did you get the <2% figure from? According to SIPRI, India spend's 2.5% of its GDP on the military:

SIPRI Publications
 
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