That's almost ground zero.
If these are NOT accepted, why even set out to discuss anything?
Take it that these expressions are passports to a dialogue.
You can check with any other Indian. They will agree with what you think should be the base line, and will look surprised that you even ask.
Let me put it this way, if I say Bipin Rawat was a āterroristā or hurl abuses at him, is there anything left to discuss? If I mock his death is there anything left to discuss between me and you? Answer is probably No. Itās the same when Indians mock our martyrs or heros.
Some discussions canāt be with some people. I wonāt go on discussing hijab with an Indian member whoās Hindu because he wonāt know anything on Islam.
If Indian members agree with me then they should show they agree as well. Just look through threads and see some of their responses.
If I go to an Indian forum and join it, I will act like a guest and remember Iām a guest cuz after all itās an Indian forum. Same applies for Indians on Pakistani forum.
One, reporting news is tricky. I think XYZ is reliable, and report something from there that deeply hurts your feelings. You think ABC is reliable, and report something that deeply hurts my feelings. So what exactly is reliable? If you think Indian media admits heavy casualties, why should any Indian object? If any Indian objects, are you sure about the authenticity of the Indian media you are quoting?
It's all shades of grey, there's nothing black and white.
On a Pakistani forum it would make sense I post only Pakistani sources or sources seen as reliable by Pakistanis. Others might not see it as reliable or offending but itās the risk you take when you go to a Pakistani forum. Likewise on an Indian forum I would expect all pro Indian sources which might be offending to Pakistanis.
Also the heavy casualties, I posted a Pakistani source but the news was confirmed by Indian news. If Indian news is lying then itās between Indians and their news channels. Indian news even published a video going with it.
No, it isn't.
It isn't about Indian forums; you are not leading PDF and fighting back against those fora. If you want to do that, get enrolled as a member there and tell them what you think. To take out your frustrations with other places on members of your own forum doesn't compute.
Pakistani defence forum should promote its stance and counter its rivals stance no?
If Indians on Indian defence forums post than itās only logically Pakistanis on Pakistani defence forums give a reply Iām the same manner. Why take my frustrations to an Indian forum when a Pakistani forum is available for me to expose Indians narrative? Why on a Pakistani forum should I not speak up Kashmir or Indian Muslims or any other separatist movements in india when Indian forums have whole sections dedicated to insurgencies in Pakistan? As a Pakistani Iāll be posting on a Pakistani forum not an Indian one.
Why is it your jugular vein? What does it control that you need and don't have control over? Don't say 'water', please; the fairest treatment that Pakistan gets is on the distribution of waters. There has never been a realistic dispute.
As for their being your brothers in faith, it was Jinnah who made it clear that Pakistan was not being created as protector of Muslim Indians; Muslim Indians, he made clear more than once, would have to fend for themselves.
Itās jugular vein because Quiad e Azam called it that and it has been Pakistans stance that it is for the past 75 years +. It also should have went to Pakistan because it was legally Pakistanās since it was Muslim majority. No the maharaja signing away to india isnāt enough for it to be part of india because the dogra regime it self was an occupier. One occupier canāt accede occupied land to another. When Poonch rebellion happened, when rebellions in Gilgit happened, Muslims of J&K made it clear that they want Pakistan and donāt except dogra regime either. It was Poonchi rebels who invited Pakistan to help them and genocides like Jammu genocide in which maharajas troops massacred 200k-600k Muslims and turned a Muslim majority Jammu region into Muslim minority, it only proves that it was right for us to invade J&K when Muslims of J&K asked us for help. We were an invited force while Indians were uninvited to the valley. We canāt let the blood of our martyrs go to waste, too much blood has been spilled for Kashmir not to be our jugular vein.
Jinnah told Indians Muslims go migrate to Pakistan but many Indian Muslims didnāt believe in Pakistanās cause and existence. Jinnah warned them about the threat of rss and hindutwa but they didnāt listen. Many millions did migrate to Pakistan but the rest preferred to stay behind in India.
Now their left to fend for themselves because of the mistakes they made about staying behind in india when Jinnah warned them of the dangers of it. Even though many Indian Muslims are still against our existence, we as Muslims still stand up in defence for them. Their stuck fending for them selves cuz they were too busy cutting the hand of their fellow Muslims to appease others. Now their suffering the consequences of it but still is Pakistani Muslims stand up for them even tho Indian Muslims hate us more then rss which lynches them.
Do they? Apart from a bigoted government that hunts trouble, who has been highlighting the plight of Hindus in Pakistan? Probably Pakistani media do that more than anyone else.
We come back to the same point. So shout and scream as much as you want. Leave PDF members who are Indian out of it.
Do people even know the ground relatives of Hindus in Pakistan? Iām from interior sindh from Umerkot and Mirpur Khas, which have the highest population of Hindus in sindh, Iāve seen the ground realities. 99% of the violence Hindus face isnāt religiously motivated there rather itās personal issues with others. āForced conversionsā is also a lie being told because when a Hindu converts to Islam by choice itās still labeled as āforcedā. Many dawah organizations operate in interior sindh which invite people to Islam and many Hindus convert by their own will. India has many thousands of Hindus converting to Islam yearly, is that also āforcedā?
Posting a thread about situation of Indian Muslims doesnāt mean Iām calling out Indian members on pdf. They can simply ignore the thread. But donāt expect me to not post about Indian Muslims on a Pakistani thread but Islamic republic of Pakistan cares about Muslims worldwide including in India. Why Indian members feel attacked by me posting threads on rss terrorists attacking Indian Muslims. Or they feel attacked because they support rss?
That ship has sailed. Pakistani courts have had no hesitation in convicting him. So there has to be a point at which you have to say that the game's up, as everyone including the judiciary, the administration and the military are agreed that he has committed crimes and has to be punished. If you don't follow Pakistan's law and constitution, that, of course, is another thing altogether.
Check what he was convicted for VS what Indians want him to be convicted for. Pakistani know the reality and know heās innocent. We have retired generals making YouTube videos in his support.
The reality is heās innocent and hasnāt committed any crimes BUT is being sent to jail because of FATF pressure since the last point in the 27 point list was punishing Hafiz Saaed and others. We all know the reality and Hafiz Saaed will forever be respected by true Pakistanis. Indians are free to believe what they want to.
will get respect. You withhold respect from anyone because of something someone else has done, you voluntarily give up claims to being respected yourself.
My post to you four, among many, many others, was merely to point out the obvious. It is up to you to accept or not to accept these things. We won't suffer; your mature members are already there to talk to us, sometimes to tease us, sometimes to scold us, sometimes to laugh at us, sometimes to look down at us, but never crossing the line.
Check the posts on the forum and see for yourself.
Thatās fine. We āimmatureā members will continue to post the reality and continue to use Pakistani Defence forum to spread the truth and speak up for the voiceless in india.
Us āimmatureā members on Pakistani defence forum will continue to promote the Islamic Republic of Pakistan and its official stance because we donāt need Indian approval to post on a forum made for us.
