'Headley says Ishrat was Lashkar suicide bomber'

[Ki[[er1]

I dont have any proof- i am sure your court had enough proofs to rule the encounter as fake- do you think court made a wrong judgement?- Let me see what you got to challenge the court ruling-

Fake encounters always ends up with victims having all sort of planted weapons on them- that why they are considered fake encounters-

CBI can not file charge sheet in this case in last two year because they do not have proof. High court make fun and appointed one police office in SIT recommended by Ishrat mother. How on the earth any terrorist mother can recommend her fev officer for investigation.
Congress is playing dirty politics to appease mulsim. This is not single encounter at that time. there was hell of encounter happen at that time. but only this is fake?

 

[Fireurimagination]

instead of medal the officer was sent to jail on charges of another fake encounter- yeah right-

That's the irony, the human right champions are all for human rights of terrorists but when it comes down to a commoner he can very well die, nobody cares. The so called champions of freedom and human rights USA has facilities like Guatemala prison where human rights can take a hike because they value the lives of their citizens

 

[Bang Galore]

Congress is playing dirty politics to appease mulsim. This is not single encounter at that time. there was hell of encounter happen at that time. but only this is fake?

Good point. Though this is probably not just the Congress's doing. There are too many NGO's going after Modi. The Congress seems to have played along, not that they are blameless after the way they behaved after the Batla House encounter.

 

[Ki[[er1]

Dude I an not defending anyone I an just against encounters and thats just my opinion. And the evidence you are talking about surfaced after the encounter. Such fanatics deserve to die not with bullets but by hanging!

Your case is possible only in ideal situation. This is good in book not in practical life. Open you eye and have a look in UP. UP govt want to release terrorist from jail to appease some particular community. If she was arrested she would be living a decent life and carrying anti-national activity.

 

[gslv mk3]

@Tshering22 I know what these guys do,and I have seen whatever propaganda they dish out against christianity and Jesus Christ himself (christ myth theory and Christ was copied from Krishna ) I have seen the language they used to describe christ and christians,prophet and muslims.I ve seen how hard they are working to incite communal violence-They recently desecrated a temple using the skull of a buffalo and claimed muslims did it..only to get busted by Kerala police.

Sanghis themselves are a lot insecure,Dont let me post more about the claims these leaders make to prove that the government of Kerala (Whose Cheif minister and finance minister are christians) is working in favour of x'tias and muslims....some of them are really funny

Oh yeah verses from Kuran..I have seen these guys trying to take Bible verses out of their context and intepreting it in a way that defame christianity and Christ,and I dont think it is a different story about Quran

And when did I said 'hindus are persecuting us' and when did I supported Kasab..genius??

You are behaving like too tyical sanghi..hahaha

 

[Fireurimagination]

@Tshering22 I know what these guys do,and I have seen whatever propaganda they dish out against christianity and Jesus Christ himself (christ myth theory and Christ was copied from Krishna ) I have seen the language they used to describe christ and christians,prophet and muslims.I ve seen how hard they are working to incite communal violence-They recently desecrated a temple using the skull of a buffalo and claimed muslims did it..only to get busted by Kerala police.

Sanghis themselves are a lot insecure,Dont let me post more about the claims these leaders make to prove that the government of Kerala (Whose Cheif minister and finance minister are christians) is working in favour of x'tias and muslims....some of them are really funny

Oh yeah verses from Kuran..I have seen these guys trying to take Bible verses out of their context and intepreting it in a way that defame christianity and Christ,and I dont think it is a different story about Quran

And when did I said 'hindus are persecuting us' and when did I supported Kasab..genius??

You are behaving like too tyical sanghi..hahaha

LOL you are funny, the less said about Muslims and Christians outlook, views and speech about Hindu customs and beliefs (idol worship etc) the better, stop playing the victim card and stop portraying terrorists as victims

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

True but the problem with a case like of Ishrat's is that there would not be prosecutable evidence since almost all information may be source based. Difficult to go to court or reveal the source. The dilemma then is what do you do?

if there is not even prosecutable evidences how can the cops be so sure about it to the extend to take their life.many cops do fake encounters just to save the work of going behind the evidence.

We don't know if information was gleaned before neutralisation. Unlike Headley, there was no prosecutable evidence here. That may explain (I assume) the handling of this case.

a terror case investigation goes on years before coming to a conclusion, if they didn't have the evidences then and there they could have hoped to get the evidences later in that long time frame, look at the situation now, we have prosecutable evidences but unfortunately the cops opted for a quick fix, a solution which can be highly erroneous.
We don't know how much info they collected, I believe nothing much, given the short time period and by taking the argument of no prosecutable evidences against them, if police indeed extracted some thing from them then police could have followed it up and framed a case.

 

[JonAsad]

That's the irony, the human right champions are all for human rights of terrorists but when it comes down to a commoner he can very well die, nobody cares. The so called champions of freedom and human rights USA has facilities like Guatemala prison where human rights can take a hike because they value the lives of their citizens

i thought i told you that the glory officer was arrested for encounter of another indian most probably a hindu- does your human rights champion story fits here- NO-

Once an officer is booked for fake encounter that opens up the Pandora box of all of his related encounters to be doubted as fake aswell- The officer loses his credibility and character- these are more than enough for any rational person to doubt the logic and not blindly sport some one- i am glad your courts does not work like the mind of a common indian on the internet works in hate- just because the encounter victim was muslim - it must must must be true- all hail glory officer- bullax-

CBI can not file charge sheet in this case in last two year because they do not have proof. High court make fun and appointed one police office in SIT recommended by Ishrat mother. How on the earth any terrorist mother can recommend her fev officer for investigation.
Congress is playing dirty politics to appease mulsim. This is not single encounter at that time. there was hell of encounter happen at that time. but only this is fake?

there is a difference between encounters of local bhai- druggist- gangsters- rapist et all- than some one who was killed on charges terrorism-

 

[Bullet500]

Your case is possible only in ideal situation. This is good in book not in practical life. Open you eye and have a look in UP. UP govt want to release terrorist from jail to appease some particular community. If she was arrested she would be living a decent life and carrying anti-national activity.

I dont know whats cooking in UP seems like our politicians have mastered the art of divide and rule. We seriously need to invest in our judicial system to fast track judgements and make our politicians accountable!

 

[Fireurimagination]

i thought i told you that the glory officer was arrested for encounter of another indian most probably a hindu- does your human rights champion story fits here- NO-

Once an officer is booked for fake encounter that opens up the Pandora box of all of his related encounters to be doubted as fake aswell- The officer loses his credibility and character- these are more than enough for any rational person to doubt the logic and not blindly sport some one- i am glad your courts does not work like the mind of a common indian on the internet works in hate- just because the encounter victim was muslim - it must must must be true- all hail glory officer- bullax-

Well if the officer does the job, Mumbai underworld was cleaned using fake encounters, the encounter specialist then had tons of accusations levied upon them, arrested etc etc but they did the job and for me that what matters and these encounters had backing of seniors in police department, home ministry etc because they also know that this fight couldn't have won staying within the gambit of law

there is a difference between encounters of local bhai- druggist- gangsters- rapist et all- than some one who was killed on charges terrorism-

No there is difference between Hindus getting killed in encounter and Muslims getting killed in encounters, don't get me wrong if an innocent was killed the police officer deserves to be hanged but if a terrorist was killed I would say forget it and move ahead

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Your case is possible only in ideal situation. This is good in book not in practical life. Open you eye and have a look in UP. UP govt want to release terrorist from jail to appease some particular community. If she was arrested she would be living a decent life and carrying anti-national activity.

I don't know about the particular case in UP, but in general that's a wrong move but the method to prevent such move is not giving the judges role also to the police but strong opposition and agitation.

 

[Bang Galore]

if there is not even prosecutable evidences how can the cops be so sure about it to the extend to take their life.many cops do fake encounters just to save the work of going behind the evidence.
a terror case investigation goes on years before coming to a conclusion, if they didn't have the evidences then and there they could have hoped to get the evidences later in that long time frame, look at the situation now, we have prosecutable evidences but unfortunately the cops opted for a quick fix, a solution which can be highly erroneous.
We don't know how much info they collected, I believe nothing much, given the short time period and by taking the argument of no prosecutable evidences against them, if police indeed extracted some thing from them then police could have followed it up and framed a case.

Remember there were multiple inputs & the main driver here was a central intelligence agency, the IB. I'm not sure what you think is prosecutable here, source based evidence is not the same as prosecutable evidence. Not any less valuable for anti-terrorist operations. The state police was only following through on what the IB was saying. Too much to assume a conspiracy. The IB would have to be in cahoots with the state police. What would be the reason. Entirely possible that the IB was wrong but if the state police acted on the advice given by the central agency & that was the common method used by different state forces, then prosecuting police officers would be more than unfair. No point in then screaming bloody murder & intelligence failure when a terrorist attack happens.

I don't understand what you mean by asking for further investigations & waiting. The supposed terrorists were on their way(supposedly) to complete their operation. What would you wait until?

 

[Agnostic_Indian]

Remember there were multiple inputs & the main driver here was a central intelligence agency, the IB. I'm not sure what you think is prosecutable here, source based evidence is not the same as prosecutable evidence. Not any less valuable for anti-terrorist operations. The state police was only following through on what the IB was saying. Too much to assume a conspiracy. The IB would have to be in cahoots with the state police. What would be the reason. Entirely possible that the IB was wrong but if the state police acted on the advice given by the central agency & that was the common method used by different state forces, then prosecuting police officers would be more than unfair. No point in then screaming bloody murder & intelligence failure when a terrorist attack happens.

lets say there was intelligence info from IB. intelligence input is a 50/50 case, could be right or wrong equally.after primary investigation Police went a head and arrested four of them, They have two options 1. question them, follow the leads, do a through investigation,etc 2. they just relied on intelligence input and primary investigation to come to a conclusion that there is on prosecutable evidences.All this in Four days . What evidences can you collect in forum days, how can you come to a conclusion in forum days ?? defiantly the cops were saving some work or they had something to hide.

I don't understand what you mean by asking for further investigations & waiting. The supposed terrorists were on their way(supposedly) to complete their operation. What would you wait until?

yes if they were going to carry out a operation police could stop them by force which may end up killing them all, but here it's a clear case of custodial killing and fake encounter.


If police get them alive then follow the procedure, don't come to a conclusion in four days and kill them.

 

[Bang Galore]

lets say there was intelligence info from IB. intelligence input is a 50/50 case, could be right or wrong equally.after primary investigation Police went a head and arrested four of them, They have two options 1. question them, follow the leads, do a through investigation,etc 2. they just relied on intelligence input and primary investigation to come to a conclusion that there is on prosecutable evidences.All this in Four days . What evidences can you collect in forum days, how can you come to a conclusion in forum days ?? defiantly the cops were saving some work or they had something to hide.


yes if they were going to carry out a operation police could stop them by force which may end up killing them all, but here it's a clear case of custodial killing and fake encounter.


If police get them alive then follow the procedure, don't come to a conclusion in four days and kill them.

I think you are being unnecessarily cussed about this. We have no knowledge of how long the IB was following this lead & how much they had developed this. Once passed on to the Gujarat government, you simply cannot be sure that it was not a matter of urgency. Even if captured, what exactly are you going to do with them since the IB may have given actionable intelligence but bot prosecutable necessarily. Bumping them off might have been the only solution thought to be feasible(only those with the full evidence would actually know). This is now entering very dangerous territory. Which police officer is going to risk being hauled up for murder the next time IB passed on information? For that matter, which IB officer will? Maybe the police would prefer to investigate an attack that has already taken place. It is the ordinary people who will pay the price.

This case is different because no one has accused the police for acting on reasons other than the supposed intelligence passed on. Not like the police officers were involved in a domestic dispute. Even more odd the case of the IB officer, because he was unlikely to have been mentioned in any dispatches about this inident because of the very covert nature of his work.

 

[Tshering22]

@Tshering22 I know what these guys do,and I have seen whatever propaganda they dish out against christianity and Jesus Christ himself (christ myth theory and Christ was copied from Krishna ) I have seen the language they used to describe christ and christians,prophet and muslims.I ve seen how hard they are working to incite communal violence-They recently desecrated a temple using the skull of a buffalo and claimed muslims did it..only to get busted by Kerala police.

Oh but what about the actual attacks where the perpetrators are caught? Vandals are there who have been arrested but how many PFI rogues have been thrown behind bars for killing non-muslims for example?

Can you tell me?

I know in Kerala the way you proselytize is different, but nevertheless it in an attack.

Sanghis themselves are a lot insecure,Dont let me post more about the claims these leaders make to prove that the government of Kerala (Whose Cheif minister and finance minister are christians) is working in favour of x'tias and muslims....some of them are really funny

Oh but many Hindu keralites also agree with what you say.


We have Buddhist heads for our state but the Hindus never complain or vice versa.

Can you tell me why only someone specific only has complaints?

One more thing; there is enough proof of very vulgar pamphlets being distributed to demean Buddhists and even Hindus in east and north.

Hindus don't butcher because they are open minded. If they were not; post independence there would have been no organized religion in India.

Oh yeah verses from Kuran..I have seen these guys trying to take Bible verses out of their context and intepreting it in a way that defame christianity and Christ,and I dont think it is a different story about Quran

It is very different. I mean seriously; who the heck would massacre Buddhists?

Till now I had a belief that no religion is wrong and that people make it wrong. But what happened in Myanmar and similar incidents before changed my views.

And when did I said 'hindus are persecuting us' and when did I supported Kasab..genius??

What does vilifying mean then?

You are behaving like too tyical sanghi..hahaha

But if expressing what is rightmeans being a 'Sanghi', then I can't help you. It is interesting how you are shoving the RSS cadre admission form down my throat even though I am not a kar sevak.

I never knew you give RSS so much importance that you give them the custody of speaking out truth.. Wow!


It is amusing how you "oh-so-victimized-and-targeted" folks of organized religion always jump to RSS.

First, it was Infinity who called me RSS agent when I didn't even mention a single political party except the indecisiveness and bias of the ruling UPA in judging terrorism.

Now you call me a Sanghi.


SO tell me; why such hatred of this voluntary organization? Why so much hate against the faith of your ancestors a.k.a Hindus?


Even while debating against bias of terrorism, I am rooted to the faith and culture of my land and am speaking in defence of it.

Are you?