Harappan treasure trove unlocked

[Icewolf]

@karan

What the hell?? Are you retarded? We're not talking of Hindu empire we're talking of IVC.

 

[scorpionx]

@Karan21

There was no Hindustan or Bharat... India was just a bunch of loose kingdoms fighting... Foreign empires like Mughal and British made you guys united.

@karan

Our ancestors were also Hindu, we have claim to the IVC, sorry kiddo.

India is not just a country with a certain boundary.Its a common religion to all indians that make us united.We inherit a proud past that no other country in this world have.

 

[Joe Shearer]

And really, where does it say that only one out of Pakistan and India can culturally inherit IVC.. Plus history is for books and self realization. No one can stop anyone for feeling associated with whatever part of the history one wants.. Apart from that, lets rather focus on present and future

Have you read even a single one of my previous posts, here or on the other thread? What you have suggested is precisely my position, articulated again and again.

Please don't be in such a hurry to print.

 

[karan21]

@karan

What the hell?? Are you retarded? We're not talking of Hindu empire we're talking of IVC.

okk mister historian i am offff.

 

[Vibs]

Wow..mindless trolls from both countries fighting over a non issue. Religion or nationality does not come into play here at all. We all inherited the culture of the IVC. It has nothing to do with people being in Pakistan or India or a Hindu or a Muslim. Seriously guys, grow up!

 

[kumarkumar1867]

maps keep changing. thats why civilizations are known by their culture and not by the ever changing political lines. a decade back macedonia was part of yugoslavia…did anyone call alexander a yogoslav king? or his empire a yogoslav empire? did you mention the battle between alexander and porus as war between yugoslavia and India????

btw, the vedas were also recited, created beside the indus for centuries.We will be happy if IVC-Lover-Pakistanis include that also in the pakistani claims like you claim right over IVC!!!

It is same feeling we get when pakistanis say "we are the patrons of Islam and we lead muslim Ummah even though Islam and its sacred sites are in Mecca and Madina".

It is not stealing, Hindu culture and IVC have lot of similarity and Hinduism is a continuataion of that culture.

@Sukhoi_30MKI
Your post is best eye-opener to Pakistani dellusionists here, but like all logical post I think this will go unheeded here.

Physical remains of IVC are like remains of corpse that are definitely in Pakistan but its essence its soul in present day indian culture.
We inherit the soul & essence of IVC they inherit the its remains.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Rig Veda, the oldest book in the history of Indian subcontinent (thus far) mentions about “Hariyupia”. It is intepreted by many scholors as Harappa. It talks about a battle that Indra fought on the banks of river Ravi and won.

Go and also check the existence of the Brahui tribe in Baluchistan, to the west of the Indus.

They speak a Sanskrit language like or Dravidian language like Tamil spoken in southeast India. That clearly points out IVC has deep roots in central as well as south indian history & culture.

 

[sab]

We should stop associating ourselves with the Haroppans. They had great civic sense clear from their sanitation system which we dont have.

Rig Veda, the oldest book in the history of Indian subcontinent (thus far) mentions about “Hariyupia”. It is intepreted by many scholors as Harappa. It talks about a battle that Indra fought on the banks of river Ravi and won.

Go and also check the existence of the Brahui tribe in Baluchistan, to the west of the Indus.

They speak a Sanskrit language like or Dravidian language like Tamil spoken in southeast India. That clearly points out IVC has deep roots in central as well as south indian history & culture.

Hariyupia thing is a speculation because of the similarity in name. Dont forget the wide gap between IVC and Vedic civilization. And there is proof of any war or invasion not found in Haroppa.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

We should stop associating ourselves with the Haroppans. They had great civic sense clear from their sanitation system which we dont have.



Hariyupia thing is a speculation because of the similarity in name. Dont forget the wide gap between IVC and Vedic civilization. And there is proof of any war or invasion not found in Haroppa.

The Gap is between IVC & present day Pakistan is more wider.

Vedic Civilization is outcome of IVC though former was much **later **, but you cant cut down the relation between Seeds (IVC) & Fruits (Hinduism & Vedic Culture)


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[Joe Shearer]

The Gap is between IVC & present day Pakistan is more wider.
Vedic Civilization is outcome of IVC though former was much before, but you cant cut down the relation between Seeds (IVC) & Fruits (Hinduism & Vedic Culture)

Please, don't just write any old thing that comes to mind. There is no proven connection between the IVC and the Vedic culture.

Post-Vedic Hinduism may have inherited some aspects of the IVC, but the evidence is thin and unconvincing.

 

[kumarkumar1867]

Please, don't just write any old thing that comes to mind. There is no proven connection between the IVC and the Vedic culture.

Post-Vedic Hinduism may have inherited some aspects of the IVC, but the evidence is thin and unconvincing.

Sir, I may sound wrong but there are sure certain evidence of links between IVC & Vedic civilization.

For example Symbol of Swastika which still hold importance in hindu religion , Lord Pashupati which resembles to Mahadeva , Great Common Bath ( which was part of mahabharta incidents like Kaurava baths, Gandharva baths, also same in found in ancient hindu temples in indian subcontinent) , yogic mudra on pashupati seal is Padma-asana in yoga again a basic posture of hindu meditation, IVC people worshipped agricultural assets like Cattle & Cow Vedisim have Nandideva & Gow-Mata instead (check out Unicorn Bull seal in IVC).

 

[Yeti]

This is emphatically not part of the Vedas. The Vedas mention the Saraswati and the Sindhu; they mentioned walled cities which were attacked, and the inhabitants overthrown; there is nowhere any mention of civic activity in the Sindhu-Saraswati region.

In any case, the decline of the IVC was prior to and to a very minor extent parallel to the composition of the Rg Veda, so mentions of it in the Rg Veda are unlikely.

Finally, there is no evidence in the IVC cities of any armed attacks.

Please do not spread misleading propaganda.

I think you did not understand my point which was in relation to Sanskrit which is the language used in the Vedas and the river Saraswati which is mentioned in the Rig Veda.

Also Rudra is mentioned in Vedic text as well so your claim that the Rig-Veda does not have a connection with IVC is wrong.


Pashupati - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The Rigveda has the related pashupa "protector of animals" as a name of Pushan. The name has also been applied, by Sir John Marshall, to a figure, probably a deity, depicted as sitting among animals, bearing a strong identical resemblance to modern day Shiva, on a seal discovered in the context of the Indus Valley Civilization[3] .The Pashupatinath Temple is a important Hindu shrine located in Nepal.

Archaeologist Jonathan Mark Kenoyer, current Co-director of the Harappa Archaeological Research Project in Pakistan and Indologist Heinrich Zimmer agree that the 'Pashupati' figure shows a figure in a yoga posture.

Swastika seals were also found in various Indus Valley cities this also shows a link with IVC and Dharmic religion

 

[kumarkumar1867]

I think you did not understand my point which was in relation to Sanskrit which is the language used in the Vedas and the river Saraswati which is mentioned in the Rig Veda.

Also Rudra is mentioned in Vedic text as well so your claim that the Rig-Veda does not have a connection with IVC is wrong.

There is lot of confusion regarding timeline of Rig Veda.

But looking to a fact that Silver ornaments found at the Sarasvati site of Kunal prove that copper purification (which releases silver as byproduct) was known in India before 3000 BC.

Also silver was unknown to the Rig Veda which shows the Rig Veda to be older than that date, which means it existed during IVC itself.

So I somewhat agree with your claim of relation between IVC & Rig-Veda.

 

[Yeti]

There is lot of confusion regarding timeline of Rig Veda.

But looking to a fact that Silver ornaments found at the Sarasvati site of Kunal prove that copper purification (which releases silver as byproduct) was known in India before 3000 BC.

Also silver was unknown to the Rig Veda which shows the Rig Veda to be older than that date, which means it existed during IVC itself.

So I somewhat agree with your claim of relation between IVC & Rig-Veda.

Problem is many persons still believe in the 'Aryan invasion' myth which has now beeen debunked, they had the date of the Rig Veda as 1500 bc and we all know those early Europeans got that date out of the thin air.

Agree with you there is alot of confusion with the timeline of the Rig-veda, the relation between IVC and Rig-Veda which although is up for debate depending on various interpretation's and conflicting views, I feel there is a connection but others may disagree on that.