Harappan treasure trove unlocked

[jbond197]

Have you ever heard of the late Prof. Ahmad Hasan Dhani and is not some third rate European hippie triapsing around India doing some archeaology on the side to pay for his alternative lifestle of 'self discovery through eastern religions'.

Pakistan, the Indus land, is the child of the Indus in the same way as Egypt is the gift of Nile

History Through The Centuries
Ahmad Hasan Dani - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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What is surprising about you guy's is I am always equated with "Madrasa" although the truth is I have never seen the inside of them let alone study in one. I would happily raze them all into the ground. I am secularist in the Kemalist tradition. I alway's avoid as much as possible bringing religion into anything. I think if you read my posts that becomes quite apparent.

However what seems somewhat surprising is how guy's who tout India as a 'citadel of secularism' keep bringing bloody religion into things. I will never use Islamic scripture to reinforce anything. Religion is at best contrived human myth yet you guy's keep bringing up religious text with nauseating frequency. So do me a favour keep religious clap trap out, be it Islamic, Christian, Jewish, Hindu etc. These are matters of faith and do not rest comfortably with fact and scientific enquiry.

Now before you jump on the 'Sarawasti' .................. It does not require scripture or NASA. The dry riverbed of the Hakra-Gaggar gives clues to the possibility of a perennial river in the past. It can be seen on Google Earth or even US Army Maps 1951 series. So no you have not hit some golden lode here. If this river indeed was perennial in the past, guess what? For the most part of it still flows in Pakistan. The course is Indian Punjab -> Pakistan Punjab -> Sindh, Pakistan-> Arabian Sea. At best it is just another river in the Indus Valley.

Harrapa or Mohenjo Daro remain next to Ravi River and Indus River respectively. So sorry no cataclysmic change there.

Pakistani archeologist, sorry not worth it.. Read the post you replied to again..

FYI, Europeans were the ones who discovered Harappa/Mohenjodaro and many other IVC site..

I still hold the belief that you guys would not have devoted any time/money to those sites in Islamic Pakistan, had those not been discovered long time back in Undivided British India and had not gotten the fame that it has today..

 

[SamantK]

Pakistani archeologist, sorry not worth it.. Read the post you replied to again..

FYI, Europeans were the ones who discovered Harappa/Mohenjodaro and many other IVC site..

I still hold the belief that you guys would not have devoted any time/money to those sites in Islamic Pakistan, had those not been discovered long time back in Undivided British India and had not gotten the fame it has today..

There two others Well known researchers, Mahadevan and Asko Papola who say that there is a strong south Indian link to IVC...also there have been some evidences found recently which does point in that direction like..
Sembiyankandiyur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Hindu : News / States : Symbols akin to Indus valley culture discovered in Kerala

 

[Joe Shearer]

Harappa is a city and Harappan is a culture which is rooted in our culture like it is for Pakistan either accept world history or believe the crap they teach you in your Madrasa

In the Sanskrit language of Ancient India, the Indus was called the Sindhu. Other rivers such as the Sarasvati join the Indus as it flows down to the sea. The Indus Valley civilisation is sometimes called the Sindhu-Sarasvati civilisation.


This is part of our holy books the Vedas and for somebody to say it is not part of our history is a moron

This is emphatically not part of the Vedas. The Vedas mention the Saraswati and the Sindhu; they mentioned walled cities which were attacked, and the inhabitants overthrown; there is nowhere any mention of civic activity in the Sindhu-Saraswati region.

In any case, the decline of the IVC was prior to and to a very minor extent parallel to the composition of the Rg Veda, so mentions of it in the Rg Veda are unlikely.

Finally, there is no evidence in the IVC cities of any armed attacks.

Please do not spread misleading propaganda.

 

[jbond197]

There two others Well known researchers, Mahadevan and Asko Papola who say that there is a strong south Indian link to IVC...also there have been some evidences found recently which does point in that direction like..
Sembiyankandiyur - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Hindu : News / States : Symbols akin to Indus valley culture discovered in Kerala

The fact is, people in IVC were not living in some jails nor were they confined to a country boundaries that their movements would have been restricted to only "two cities" or to certain areas.. Proof of it is the widespread IVC sites found all over India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran..

But what can be done to the people, who wants to live their lives on falsehood..

The important thing to note is that only people in India have retained and are still using many symbols of IVC religiously to date.. This tells the real story by itself..

 

[Joe Shearer]

The fact is, people in IVC were not living in some jails nor were they confined to a country boundaries that their movements would have been restricted to only "two cities" or to certain areas.. Proof of it is the widespread IVC sites found all over India, Pakistan, Afghanistan and Iran..

But what can be done to the people, who wants to live their lives on falsehood..

The important thing to note is that only people in India have retained and are still using many symbols of IVC religiously to date.. This tells the real story by itself..

The sad part is that Yeti, you and Samantk have a point of view, Atanz, and perhaps Ph-enix have another point of view, and those represent one and the same cultural phenomenon.

Could I suggest that for one moment, each side looks at the other's position and seeks to understand what they are trying to say?

 

[Cherokee]

That is a bone stupid thing to say.
Next you will be asking "Isn't Indus Valley in Pakistan .....?
Then your gonna loose your marbles by asking "does Gujrat not fall outside of the Indus Valley"?

What you see is nothing less than the complete plunder of everything under our own sacred soil and the legacy of our forefathers by Indian's.


* Civilizations are never neat and tidy. Pakistan is the homeland of IVC but just like when I eat bread some crumbs fall around me. So with IVC, you will find crumbs littered beyond the homeland of IVC, that is the area adjacent to the Indus River in Pakistan. You can find these crumbs in Afghanistan and India.

Civilizations are Not your Dinner and please learn to eat if while eating in Pakistan bread crumbs fall in Gujarat . Must be some kind of world record .

 

[scorpionx]

How come a civilization, being vaguely traced 5000 odd years ago become pakistani which came to existence about 65 years ago? If after 5000 years some other race come to my state and name it x,y,z, should i be called by their name? Pakistani members will never accept the indianness of IVC, they have certain compulsion to do so. So its futile to convince them.
In rigveda, there is a mention of invasion of a place called harapuara, which many claims to be harappa.

 

[foxbat]

The sad part is that Yeti, you and Samantk have a point of view, Atanz, and perhaps Ph-enix have another point of view, and those represent one and the same cultural phenomenon.

Could I suggest that for one moment, each side looks at the other's position and seeks to understand what they are trying to say?

And really, where does it say that only one out of Pakistan and India can culturally inherit IVC.. Plus history is for books and self realization. No one can stop anyone for feeling associated with whatever part of the history one wants.. Apart from that, lets rather focus on present and future

 

[Pakistanisage]

Yes but Indus Valley Civilization is also known as Harappan culture

Okay , that settles it. That means Gujarat is ours ( But Modi will have to leave ).

 

[karan21]

Okay , that settles it. That means Gujarat is ours ( But Modi will have to leave ).

No, that means the land u were born on once belonged to hindustan or bharat.

 

[Desert Fox]

No, that means the land u were born on once belonged to hindustan or bharat.

And? What's your point? The land we live in now once was known as Pangea, so are we all Pangeans now lol???

Anyways, good to know that more artifacts of Pakistani civilization are being discovered.

 

[karan21]

And? What's your point? The land we live in now once was known as Pangea, so are we all Pangeans now lol???

Anyways, good to know that more artifacts of Pakistani civilization are being discovered.

lol pakistani??? it was the bhartis who settles there and were all hindus. 3000 yrs later whenpartition happened pakistanis were lucky to get that land where it happened. and 60 yrs later u claim it was always ours lollllll

 

[Icewolf]

@Karan21

There was no Hindustan or Bharat... India was just a bunch of loose kingdoms fighting... Foreign empires like Mughal and British made you guys united.

@karan

Our ancestors were also Hindu, we have claim to the IVC, sorry kiddo.

 

[karan21]

@Karan21

There was no Hindustan or Bharat... India was just a bunch of loose kingdoms fighting... Foreign empires like Mughal and British made you guys united.

@karan

Our ancestors were also Hindu, we have claim to the IVC, sorry kiddo.

sorry brother dont know whats taught in pakistan, but hindu empire in indian subcontinent existed right after ivc.

 

[Srinivas]

God damn Indian stop trying to leech off of ancestral history of modern day Pakistani people. You Hindustanis and your hundred plus ethnicities have little or nothing to do with IVC. No one gives a damn what your Vedas wrote or what they called a certain river. Point is that history does not belong to you, you history is that you are the descendants of Ganghes river tribes.


You always create these threads, because of your obsession to leech off of ancestral history of modern day Pakistanis, give it up your threads won't change the reality.

It is same feeling we get when pakistanis say "we are the patrons of Islam and we lead muslim Ummah even though Islam and its sacred sites are in Mecca and Madina".

It is not stealing, Hindu culture and IVC have lot of similarity and Hinduism is a continuataion of that culture.