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Happy Independence Day - Southern Sudan

The difference between China & America is that China invests in infrastructure development in countries all over the globe, whereas America invests in terrorists & proxies, & selling arms & ammunition in nations they stir conflicts in, to achieve their strategic objectives. Quite different from one another. Sudan's split had been a long time coming with the constant US attention on it, next stop Libya.

To put it more simply China cleverly profits from American mistakes.
 
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That says it all.........




then you don't really know what the term economic hedgomony means. China already practices it.
Last i checked China did not put economic sanctions on any nation or moved a resolution in UN for putting sanction on a country due to which literally hundreds of thousands of people died (Iraq after 1st Gulf War).And there was not a Chinese Secetary of State who defended death of 500000 children.
 
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They died becuase Saddam diverted the money for his own means such as building palaces. He then used the deaths as propoganda tools to which you yourself still allow yourself to be used for. You should also include the fact that it was not American but U.N. sanctions to which China was a part of. I think the article link below explains it best.

Unlocking "the biggest scandal in human history." - By Michael Crowley - Slate Magazine


** China’s UN security council votes regarding Iraq.

Security Council Resolution 687 – obstained

Security Council Resolution 661 – voted for

Security Council Resolution 686 – osbtained

Security Council Resolution 1483 - voted for
 
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Dr. Riek Machar Teny-Dhurgon
Chairman and Commander-in-Chief, SSIM/A.

Since the historic Nasir Declaration of August 28, 1991, the demand of the people of South Sudan for the right of self- determination, as a peaceful political resolution of the forty year war in the Sudan, has been a real challenging problem to Sudanese political forces and parties. The SSIM/A (formerly the SPLM/A-United) had been engaged in many peace initiatives with this present regime of the National Islamic Front (NIF) to find a solution to the conflict. Among these initiatives are: the Frankfurt Talks of January 25,1992; the Nigerian mediated Abuja Peace Talks of May/June 1992; the Nairobi May-June 1993 Talks and the Inter-Governmental Authority on Drought and Development (IGADD) mediated Peace Talks , January 6th, 1994 through September 19, 1994. In these talks, the SSIM/A had demonstrated its commitment to the search for lasting and just peace in South Sudan and above all the SSIM/A had specifically underlined the right of self-determination for the people of South Sudan as the cornerstone for settlement that would meet their legitimate aspirations.

The people of South Sudan have been denied this right by the different regimes that ruled the Sudan since its constitution as a state. However, it is now imperative that peace shall prevail only when the people of South Sudan are acceded their inalienable right to self-determination.

On the other hand, although it is generally accepted that there is racial, religious, cultural, linguistic and historical diversity in the Sudan, these diversities have not been used to help enrich and consolidate the unity of the new state, but rather were used by the ruling Arab elites in the North to oppress, subjugate and exploit the people of South Sudan resulting in conflicts and wars.

HISTORICAL PERSPECTIVE

To clarify the objective of the struggle of the people of South Sudan, it is important to go quickly over the colonial history of the South Sudan - the territorial unit claiming the right of self-determination.

Before the Turko-Egyptian invasion of 1821, the Sudan consisted of Kingdoms and tribal communities without modern forms of government as we have today. In other words, Sudan in its present boundaries did not exist.

The Turko-Egyptian occupation of 1821 was promoted by the expansionist ambitions of the Ottoman empire and its craving for wealth and markets. The main commodities of interest were slaves, gold, ivory and timber. South Sudan and her people became the main source of these commodities. The Turko - Egyptian and the North Sudanese collaborated in their raids against the South Sudan for slaves resulting in millions of South Sudanese people being taken into slavery in the Arab and new World.

Although the Turko - Egyptian rule lasted for a period of sixty years, it did not control all the Sudan. South Sudan in particular was not fully brought under the administration of the invading alien power. Similarly, the Mahdist administration of 1883 - 1898 did not succeed to impose its full authority on the whole of South Sudan.

The Belgians in 1892, advancing from the former Belgian Congo (now Zaire), captured Western Equatoria up to Mongalla and established the Lado Enclave as part of the Belgian Congo. During the same period(1892) the French led by Major Marchand occupied large parts of South Sudan (Bahr el Ghazal, Western Upper Nile up to Fashoda) and by 1896 they had established a firm administration in these areas. Another French expedition which started off in 1897 from Djibouti moving through Ethiopia and along the Baro and Sobat Rivers failed to link up with Fashoda expedition. The French had wanted to annex South Sudan to the French territories in West Africa. However, an international conflict developed between the British and the French over South Sudan commonly known as the Fashoda Incident.

Again, in 1898 the Sudan was re-conquered by a joint British and Egyptian forces resulting in the signing of the Condominium Agreement between the British and the Egyptian to administer the Sudan in its present boundaries.

In 1899 the British and the French concluded an agreement in Europe which made the French pull out of South Sudan handing over its portion of South Sudan to the same authorities who were already in control of North Sudan. A similar incident took place in 1910 when the Belgians withdrew from the Lado Enclave after an agreement was concluded in 1896 stipulating that the Enclave was to be handed over to the British after the death of King Leopold. The king died in 1910. The withdrawal of the French and Belgians from South Sudan ceded the territory to the British.

THE BRITISH SEPARATE ADMINISTRATION POLICY (1898-1947)

Owing to the geographical, political, historical and cultural differences between North and South Sudan, the British devised a system of a separate administration for the two countries. To guarantee the effectiveness of the separate administration policy the British passed the Closed Districts Ordinances of 1920s. In consolidation of this policy, the Passports and Permits Ordinance was promulgated in 1922. This ordinance required the use of passports and permits for travellers shuttling between the two countries of North and South Sudan. The permits were to specify the conditions and purposes of the visits. The Immigration Policy was further strengthened by the permits and trade order enacted in 1925. This law required North Sudanese to obtain permits to conduct trade in South Sudan. Finally, a Language Policy was developed and enforced in South Sudan in 1928. This policy adopted English as the official language for South Sudan and approved the use of the following local languages: Dinka, Bari, Nuer, Latuko, Shilluk and Zande. Arabic was categorically rejected as a language in South Sudan. The cumulative effect of the immigration and trade laws coupled with the language policy was to maintain South Sudan as a separate country from North Sudan. In fact, colonial governors from South Sudan used to attend regular administrative conferences in East Africa instead of Khartoum.

After the establishment of the Condominium rule, the British continued to consolidate its position in North Sudan by creating the necessary administrative and political structures for the state of North Sudan. In an effort to prepare the North Sudan for self-rule, the North Sudan Advisory Council Ordinance was enacted in 1943. The ordinance covered all the six North Sudan provinces: comprising of Khartoum, Kordofan, Darfur, Eastern, Northern and Blue Nile provinces. This council was empowered to advise the condominium authority on how to administer North Sudan in certain specific areas. Members of the Advisory Council were all North Sudanese. The ordinance had no application or relevance to the territory of South Sudan. Thus far, North and South Sudan were regarded as two separate countries colonised by the British and Egyptians.

COLONIAL BRITIAN HANDS OVER SOUTH SUDAN TO THE NORTH

Instead of establishing an advisory council for South Sudan similar to that of North Sudan, the resolutions of the Administrative Conference held in Khartoum in 1946 surprisingly advocated the colonisation of South by North Sudan. It must, however, be pointed out that the conference took the decision at the back of the people of South Sudan as they were not represented and because the conference was meant for administrators in North Sudan only, the British administrators in South Sudan did not attend. Consequently, this unexpected outcome revealed the conspiracy between the British and the North Sudanese supported by Egypt to hand over South Sudan to North Sudan as a colonial territory. Certainly, this plan provoked bitter reaction from the South Sudanese and their sympathisers.

The betrayal of South Sudan by the British was finally concluded in the infamous Juba conference of 1947. Precisely the conference was convened to inform the chiefs of South Sudan of the irreversible decision to hand over South Sudan to the new colonial masters from North Sudan. This unpalatable decision was crowned by the promulgation and establishment of the Sudan Legislative Assembly in 1948. Thirteen (13) delegates from South Sudan were handpicked and forced to represent South Sudan in the Assembly. The Cairo Agreement of 1953 was no exception to the rule. Once again, the colonial masters from Britain and North Sudan masquerading as representatives of national political parties with tacit support of the Egyptian government conspired to grant self-determination to the Sudan without the participation of South Sudan. The people of South Sudan were deliberately excluded on the pretext that they had no political parties or organizations. This was yet another ploy made by political parties of North Sudan to claim representation of South Sudan with the erroneous and unjustifable assumption that the Sudan is one country. Nevertheless, the people of South Sudan regard themselves as 'internally colonised people'. The deliberate hand over of South Sudan to North Sudan by the British was one of the greatest blunders ever made in the diplomacy of the British colonial history. If the British had felt that South Sudan was not yet ready to become an independent state by itself then, they should have either handed over its administration to an international body like the UN instead of North Sudan or should have left North Sudan get independence separately as they did with North Rhodesia. It is now up to the British to correct this serious error of judgement, that has cost millions of lives of the people of South Sudan, by supporting the call of the people of South Sudan for full independence.

POST COLONIAL ERA: North - South Relations

Independence for Sudan meant nothing for South Sudan but a change of masters as the North Sudanese took over the colonial state. The North Sudanese elites failed to evolve policies that would have consolidated national unity and stability. As a result, the Sudan has been plunged into continous state of political, constitutional, economic and military crisis till today. Various governments and regimes in Khartoum waged war and denied the South Sudanese equality, social justice, freedom and effective participation in the running of the State.

In brief, North - South relations since independence until now has been characterised by the following:-

-Political marginalization of the South through under representation, discrimination, and other restrictions that did not permit South Sudanese to occupy certain important constitutional posts.

-Deliberate retardation and neglect of socio - economic development of South Sudan as all socio-economic development projects are concentrated in North Sudan.

-Cultural subjugation through imposition of Arabic culture and Islamic values on the people of South Sudan in a deliberate attempt to destroy their African culture and heritage. The declaration of Sudan as an Islamic state by the present regime has relegated South Sudanese to third class citizens. This imposition of cultural and religious laws - Islamic sharia - is a negation of common citizenship which could be the basis of national unity, equality and social justice in a heterogenous state such as the Sudan.

-The crisis of national identity is a creation of North Sudan which defines the Sudanese identity in Arab and Islamic terms. The North political elites consider the Sudanese citizenship as a transition to full integration into the Arab identity. This undermines the right of the vast African majority to whose identity should be fully embodied in the character of the state.

-Abuse of fundamental human rights of South Sudanese people through the following practices:-

a.Decimation of the population of South Sudan through prosecution of war and perpetrating large scale massacres of innocent people by various North regimes:-

-Yei, Maridi and Kodok Massacres in 1964 were carried out by the regime of Abboud.

-Juba, Wau, Torit, Warajwok, Bor, Akobo Massacres in 1965 were carried out by Mohammed Ahmed Mahgoub government.

-Dhaein Massacre 1987/88 in which 3,000 South Sudanese were killed by government militias and police.

-Wau Massacre in 1987 in which more than 100 people were killed by government army.

-Jebelien Massacre in 1989/90 in which more than 2000 South Sudanese were killed by government militia.

b.Indiscriminate bombing and raiding of civil population centres leading to massive displacement of people from their homes. Already there are over 3 million South Sudanese in the North living under sub- human conditions in the outskirts of Khartoum and other major cities in the North.

c.Denial of basic human needs and use of food as a weapon for conversion into Islamic religion.

d.Forced Islamization and Arabization of the educational system in the South with the aim to kill indigenous languages and cultures to accentuate Islamic and Arabic dominance.

e.Political executions, detentions without trials and disappearance of South Sudanese in the government controlled towns.

f. Reviving of slavery and slave trade during this war.

The enumerated violations and pratices are true evidences of the failure of the two parts to co-exist and live harmoniously as a nation. As matter of fact, it is the people of the South who are the victims of this tragic situation. Attempts made in the past with the successive regimes that came to power in Khartoum to find a durable solution to the problem of South Sudan all ended in failure. Even the Addis Ababa Agreement of 1972 which brought relative peace and stability to the South was unilaterally abrogated by General Numeiri in 1983 returning the Sudan to war.

PRINCIPLES FOR THE RESOLUTION OF THE CONFLICT IN THE SUDAN: THE RIGHT OF SELF- DETERMINATION

On the basis of the facts stated above, it is obvious that the Sudan has been at war with itself for the last forty years. This state of affairs if allowed to continue would work to the detriment of the people of the Sudan in both North and South, and could have negative consequences on regional peace and stability. It is our strong belief that the only way forward in the resolution of this conflict and the attainment of just and lasting peace is to allow the people of South Sudan to freely exercise their inalienable and democratic right to self- determination through an internationally supervised referendum.

THE SUDANESE POLITICAL PARTIES AND THE RIGHT OF SELF- DETERMINATION

In this connection, it would be recalled that a major breakthrough was made between the SSIM/A (formerly SPLM/A-United) and the NIF government, particularly in the Frankfurt Talks of January 25, 1995 and in the Nairobi Talks of May 1993, where the NIF regime conceded referendum to people of South Sudan. Yet, we are concerned by the fact that the same NIF regime has respected neither the agreed issues in the Frankfurt nor Nairobi Talks. This intransigent attitude, if maintained by the regime, will not bring to an end this tragic chapter of war, suffering and hopelessness in the Sudan.

Historically, the other Sudanese political parties, namely:- the Umma Party, the Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army, the Democratic Unionist Party (DUP), the National Islamic Front and the Communist Party have been against acceding to the people of South Sudan their inalienabe right to self-determination. However, since the historic Nasir Declaration of August 28, 1991 some of these parties started to make public pronouncement about self-determination. Since 1983, the Sudan People's Liberation Movement/Army (SPLM/A) has been fighting South Sudanese groups that called for the right of self-determination for the people of South Sudan. This was epitomised in the bitter wars the SPLM/A waged against the Anyanya II 'separatist' from 1983 to 1991 and against the Nasir faction of the SPLM/A since 1991. Despite the hostility of the SPLM/A against SSIM/A, the SPLM/A reluctantly recognised the right of self-determination in Abuja I Peace Talks , the Washington Declaration and Common Agenda for IGADD Peace Talks. The Communist Party of the Sudan has been discussing the principle for sometime but with no commitment to its implementation. The Umma Party has made a move to recognising self-determination as stated in Sayyed Sadiq el Mahdi Discussion Paper of 10 November 1993 and reinforced in the Chukudum Agreement beween the Umma and the SPLM/SPLA. In addition, all the Sudanese opposition political parties that met in Bonn recognised this principle, except the DUP which inserted a reservation. Although, the DUP has consistently stood against the right of self- determination for people of South Sudan but it recognized the principle at subsequent meetings in Asmara .

Internationally, the right of self-determination for people of South Sudan has gained credence and has been recognised as a basic human right as well as a democratic principle for resolving conflicts by Pan-African 7th Congress in Kampala, April 3-9, 1994 and IGADD in its Declaration of Principles (DOP). It is now imperative that the demand of the people of South Sudan for exercise of their inalienable right to self- determination has gain substantial grounds in the Sudan, regionally in Africa as well as internationally and therefore cannot be anymore ignored .
South Sudan: A History of Political Domination - A Case of Self Determination, (Riek Machar)

A bit dated given the fact that today they have become Independent!
 
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UN approves troops for disputed Sudan area

The UN Security Council on Monday authorized a 4,200-strong temporary peacekeeping force to be deployed in Sudan's disputed Abyei region for six months.

Approval of the U.S.-sponsored resolution came amid worries about fighting in oil-rich Abyei as South Sudan prepares to declare independence from the north on July 9.

The United Nations has a 10,400-strong peacekeeping force monitoring implementation of the 2005 north-south agreement, but the Sudanese government informed the UN that it wants UN troops in the north to leave on July 9 when the south becomes independent.

As a result, the UN created a new mission for South Sudan.
UN approves troops for disputed Sudan area - World - CBC News

One more place where conflict is left behind.

Control will remain in the hands of the powers that be!

Oil!!!!!!
 
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They died becuase Saddam diverted the money for his own means such as building palaces. He then used the deaths as propoganda tools to which you yourself still allow yourself to be used for. You should also include the fact that it was not American but U.N. sanctions to which China was a part of. I think the article link below explains it best.

Unlocking "the biggest scandal in human history." - By Michael Crowley - Slate Magazine
everyone knows that saddam was supported by america for the way with iran, osama was suported by america for the war to suiet too. almost every wa in the world including sudan civil war is supported by america. so CIA is the biggest terrorist, do not you?
 
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everyone knows that saddam was supported by america for the way with iran, osama was suported by america for the war to suiet too. almost every wa in the world including sudan civil war is supported by america. so CIA is the biggest terrorist, do not you?

And China supports Sudan against Darfur!

Chinese weaponry, inspite of UN restraint, arms the Sudanese to massacre the Darfur people!!
 
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China defends arms sales to Sudan

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Sudanese Janjaweed in western Darfur region (April 2004)

At least 200,000 people have died in five years of conflict in Darfur

China has defended its sale of weapons to Sudan, amid growing criticism of its alleged failure to help resolve the humanitarian crisis in Darfur.


More at
BBC NEWS | Asia-Pacific | China defends arms sales to Sudan

China 'is fuelling war in Darfur'

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The BBC has found the first evidence that China is currently helping Sudan's government militarily in Darfur.

The Panorama TV programme tracked down Chinese army lorries in the Sudanese province that came from a batch exported from China to Sudan in 2005.

The BBC was also told that China was training fighter pilots who fly Chinese A5 Fantan fighter jets in Darfur.

China's government has declined to comment on the BBC's findings, which contravene a UN arms embargo on Darfur.

The embargo requires foreign nations to take measures to ensure they do not militarily assist anyone in the conflict in Darfur, in which the UN estimates that about 300,000 people have died.
BBC NEWS | Africa | China 'is fuelling war in Darfur'

Oil for China, Guns for Darfur

China's thirst for oil is causing bloodshed. So says New York-based nongovernmental organization Human Rights First, which on Mar. 13 released a report linking China's rising imports of Sudanese oil with sales of Chinese small weapons to Khartoum, used to further the deadly conflict in the western region of Darfur......

At issue is the simultaneous growth of Sudanese oil exports to China and the proliferation of Chinese small weapons in Darfur. When it comes to oil consumption, China is second only to the U.S. and almost half of China's oil needs come from imports. The Chinese rely on Sudan to supply a big part of that. Sudanese oil shipments to China increased 63% from 2003 to 2006 and soared 113% last year alone. In 2007, China purchased 40% of Sudan's 25-million-ton annual output of oil, accounting for about 6% of all Chinese oil imports (BusinessWeek.com, 2/13/08). State-owned China National Petroleum (CNPC) is the single largest investor in Sudan through its 40% stake in Greater Nile Petroleum, based in Khartoum.


Beijing has also been investing heavily in improvements to Sudan's infrastructure. For instance, the Chinese have pumped hundreds of millions of dollars into roads, pipelines, and other infrastructure projects.
Oil for China, Guns for Darfur

Chinese arms fueling Sudanese conflict

Titled ....."Investing in Tragedy: China's Money, Arms and Politics in Sudan," the report stresses that the $55 million represents 90 percent of Sudan's arms purchases during the period, which coincided with some of the worst fighting in Darfur.

Chinese exports to Sudan cover a wide array of weaponry including assault rifles, heavy machinery, anti-aircraft guns, anti-tank weapons and mortars.

Between 1999 and 2005 Sudan's imports multiplied by almost 700 percent. Beijing has used arms sales to forge a solid relationship with the Sudanese government to the detriment of the people of Darfur, who have endured a long and painful conflict leading to injury, death and displacement on a tremendous scale.

http://search.japantimes.co.jp/cgi-bin/eo20080324cc.html

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In short, Hamam main sab nanga hai!

All are culpable!
 
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And China supports Sudan against Darfur!

Chinese weaponry, inspite of UN restraint, arms the Sudanese to massacre the Darfur people!!

thousands of people died in iraq, in afhanistan, in suandan……why?
the reason is the war, then why the war occored? the root reason of the war is supporting from america.
sadam is supported by america;
osama is supported by america;
dalai lama is supported by america;
south sudan is supported by america too;
without acmerian support, without war!

yes, we sell weapons to sudan official govenment. just like india invade pakistan in 1970s, and split our friend to pakistan and bangladesh. every country has justice should sell weapon to pakistan to maintainence independence.
 
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thousands of people died in iraq, in afhanistan, in suandan……why?
the reason is the war, then why the war occored? the root reason of the war is supporting from america.
sadam is supported by america;
osama is supported by america;
dalai lama is supported by america;
south sudan is supported by america too;
without acmerian support, without war!

yes, we sell weapons to sudan official govenment. just like india invade pakistan in 1970s, and split our friend to pakistan and bangladesh. every country has justice should sell weapon to pakistan to maintainence independence.

Have I supported the US action?

Why ask me?

How is your selling arms to Pakistan and India 'invading' Pakistan connected?

Rather ridiculous reasoning.

Sudan is killing its own people (Darfur people). There should be no reason actually since both are Muslim people and part of the ummah.

Selling arms to a country to defend itself against foreign aggression and selling arms to kill one's own people are two different things.

It is immoral to give weaponry to a country to help kill its own people.

To help you understand since you have not got the subtlety, would it be correct to sell arms to the Uighur revolutionaries against China?

If you think that is correct and moral, then the matter is closed!

And by the way since it is the habit of you chaps to veer off into irrelevance and irrelevant subjects to deflect and obfuscate, we are talking of Sudan and NOT Pakistan. You are welcome to sell arms to Pakistan!

It would contribute most magnificently if you confine yourself to Sudan and Chinese arming them. That is the issue.

Next, you will raise the issue of Burkina Faso!

Mull over it. China is not purer than the driven snow or any other country which interferes or sell weapons to countries to kill their own. Remember arming of Mugabwe?

China is as culpable as the US!

As I said - Hamam main sab nanga hai!
 
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Eventhough the oil is drilled in South Sudan, the pipes go north towards North Sudan. China has considerable influence in North Sudan, but not in South and for Western Countries the vice versa. Whoever interested in oil from this part of the world has to be in good terms with both Sudans.
 
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Every time US has pushed something through security council in recent past, almost always all permanent members have supported it. Action talks louder than actual talk.
 
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Darfur region is also fighting for independence..

OT After independence migration of minorities will be very crucial in the future relationship of both SUDANs..
 
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