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Hamid Karzai: 'I saw no good' with America's presence in Afghanistan - Telegraph

Hamid Karzai: 'I saw no good' with America's presence in Afghanistan
Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, admits that he has not spoken to Barack Obama in seven months as he reveals the complete breakdown of trust between his country and the United States

The president of Afghanistan has not spoken to his American counterpart since June, he said, in an interview which showed the increasing gulf between Kabul and Washington.

Hamid Karzai, 56, has grown increasingly hostile towards Barack Obamaas Afghanistan prepares to elect a new president in April. Mr Karzai will not stand again, but he is determined to emphasise his disagreements with the United States before he steps down.

"This whole 12 years was one of constant pleading with America to treat the lives of our civilians as lives of people," he said, adding that he had not spoken to Mr Obama since June.

"We met in South Africa [at Mandela's funeral] but didn't speak. Letters have been exchanged."

Mr Karzai said that he "saw no good" in the American presence in his country.
"They did not work for me, they worked against me," he said, and referred to the Taliban in his interview with The Sunday Times as "brothers" and the Americans as "rivals".

His rhetoric has been ill received in Washington, where American politicians are evermore infuriated by Mr Karzai's stance.

America spent $648bn (£394bn) during the war, which has cost 2,211 lives. Last week Congress cut development aid to Afghanistan in half, reducing it to $1.1bn.

But Mr Karzai is unrepentant.

"The money they should have paid to the police they paid to private security firms and creating militias who caused lawlessness, corruption and highway robbery," he said.

"They then began systematically waging psychological warfare on our people, encouraging our money to go out of our country.

"What they did was create pockets of wealth and a vast countryside of deprivation and anger."

He is slightly more generous in his assessment of Britain, "which has conducted with us in a very civilised way and tried to bring better relations between us and Pakistan."

But he added: "In general the US-led Nato mission in terms of bringing security has not been successful, particularly in Helmand."

A key bone of contention between the US and Afghanistan is the bilateral security agreement, which proposes 8-12,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan beyond the withdrawal of combat soldiers at the end of 2014. America is keen for the troops to remain to prevent "losing" Afghanistan, and the country's tribal elders supported the plan at an assembly in November.

Yet Mr Karzai is dragging his heels, saying that history has taught Afghanistan not to "gamble" on pacts.

"Under pressure our kings signed things and all that turned out to be disastrous for Afghanistan," he said. "Under pressure today if I do the same I don't know the consequences."

The president, who has ruled the country since 2001, said that he was proud of his legacy.

"Afghanistan is home to all Afghans now. We have a parliament where commanders, clergy, mujahids and women sit together.

"We have 11 candidates running for president who represent a combination of all Afghan people and thinking."

And he shrugged off concerns about the implications of his posturing, saying that Western anger and the cutting of financial aid did not trouble him.

"Money is not everything," he said. "If you ask me as an individual, I would rather live in poverty than uncertainty."



The article states that America spent 650 billion dollars in Afghanistan. I would like to say if Americans had intelligently used this huge sum of money, the country would have been the greatest ally of US and every single human there would be singing praises of America and I am not exaggerating anything in making this statement. Just a food for thought for Americans and the US taxpayers how to find the best worth for their money.
 
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Hamid Karzai: 'I saw no good' with America's presence in Afghanistan - Telegraph

Hamid Karzai: 'I saw no good' with America's presence in Afghanistan
Hamid Karzai, the president of Afghanistan, admits that he has not spoken to Barack Obama in seven months as he reveals the complete breakdown of trust between his country and the United States

The president of Afghanistan has not spoken to his American counterpart since June, he said, in an interview which showed the increasing gulf between Kabul and Washington.

Hamid Karzai, 56, has grown increasingly hostile towards Barack Obamaas Afghanistan prepares to elect a new president in April. Mr Karzai will not stand again, but he is determined to emphasise his disagreements with the United States before he steps down.

"This whole 12 years was one of constant pleading with America to treat the lives of our civilians as lives of people," he said, adding that he had not spoken to Mr Obama since June.

"We met in South Africa [at Mandela's funeral] but didn't speak. Letters have been exchanged."

Mr Karzai said that he "saw no good" in the American presence in his country.
"They did not work for me, they worked against me," he said, and referred to the Taliban in his interview with The Sunday Times as "brothers" and the Americans as "rivals".

His rhetoric has been ill received in Washington, where American politicians are evermore infuriated by Mr Karzai's stance.

America spent $648bn (£394bn) during the war, which has cost 2,211 lives. Last week Congress cut development aid to Afghanistan in half, reducing it to $1.1bn.

But Mr Karzai is unrepentant.

"The money they should have paid to the police they paid to private security firms and creating militias who caused lawlessness, corruption and highway robbery," he said.

"They then began systematically waging psychological warfare on our people, encouraging our money to go out of our country.

"What they did was create pockets of wealth and a vast countryside of deprivation and anger."

He is slightly more generous in his assessment of Britain, "which has conducted with us in a very civilised way and tried to bring better relations between us and Pakistan."

But he added: "In general the US-led Nato mission in terms of bringing security has not been successful, particularly in Helmand."

A key bone of contention between the US and Afghanistan is the bilateral security agreement, which proposes 8-12,000 troops remaining in Afghanistan beyond the withdrawal of combat soldiers at the end of 2014. America is keen for the troops to remain to prevent "losing" Afghanistan, and the country's tribal elders supported the plan at an assembly in November.

Yet Mr Karzai is dragging his heels, saying that history has taught Afghanistan not to "gamble" on pacts.

"Under pressure our kings signed things and all that turned out to be disastrous for Afghanistan," he said. "Under pressure today if I do the same I don't know the consequences."

The president, who has ruled the country since 2001, said that he was proud of his legacy.

"Afghanistan is home to all Afghans now. We have a parliament where commanders, clergy, mujahids and women sit together.

"We have 11 candidates running for president who represent a combination of all Afghan people and thinking."

And he shrugged off concerns about the implications of his posturing, saying that Western anger and the cutting of financial aid did not trouble him.

"Money is not everything," he said. "If you ask me as an individual, I would rather live in poverty than uncertainty."
Afghans will suffer if Karazi doesn't sign this agreement. ANF are just not strong enough to handle the country on their own. Only if Karazi can see beyond his own nose.
 
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Afghans will suffer if Karazi doesn't sign this agreement. ANF are just not strong enough to handle the country on their own. Only if Karazi can see beyond his own nose.

I do not know if they would suffer or not but my observation is about something different and I would say again that once nations have well defined objectives, they have to show wisdom and intelligence rather than policing and forcing other nations. Some use of force would always be necessary but undue use of force and working on the same classic singular line of thought seems to hurt everyone according to my opinion.
 
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It's true but this guy is a US puppet
 
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He didn't see ' any good' ?

The fact that he is alive to think & say such things is because of the presence of US & other troops in AF !

Else he too would have found himself occupying an unmarked grave somewhere.

Whom is trying to con ?
 
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America isn't there to do any good.......
 
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He didn't see ' any good' ?

The fact that he is alive to think & say such things is because of the presence of US & other troops in AF !

Else he too would have found himself occupying an unmarked grave somewhere.

Whom is trying to con ?

Like Saddam Hussain? Who raised and funded the Taliban, Al-Qaeda in the first place? Let the Afghan people decide about their fate, either way. Whether the current government will survive or not without US assistance is mere speculation. US' military presence in Afghanistan is threat to all countries in the region including India, Iran, China.

US had come to hunt Osama now that the hunt is over they have no reason to stay. I have a feeling that US will start covert support to Taliban to get even with Karzai.
 
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American troops should stay in Afghanistan bcoz Afghan army cannot deal with taliban.
 
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He is simply preparing for the American 2014 Withdrawal
 
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He doesnt want to sign a security deal with TAliban, but apart from that is he working well enough to strengthen his army?
 
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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/w...fghan-leaders-office.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

KABUL, Afghanistan — For more than a decade, wads of American dollars packed into suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags have been dropped off every month or so at the offices of Afghanistan’s president — courtesy of the Central Intelligence Agency.

All told, tens of millions of dollars have flowed from the C.I.A. to the office of President Hamid Karzai, according to current and former advisers to the Afghan leader.

“We called it ‘ghost money,’ ” said Khalil Roman, who served as Mr. Karzai’s deputy chief of staff from 2002 until 2005. “It came in secret, and it left in secret.”

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http://www.nytimes.com/2013/04/29/w...fghan-leaders-office.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0
KABUL, Afghanistan — For more than a decade, wads of American dollars packed into suitcases, backpacks and, on occasion, plastic shopping bags have been dropped off every month or so at the offices of Afghanistan’s president — courtesy of the Central Intelligence Agency.
All told, tens of millions of dollars have flowed from the C.I.A. to the office of President Hamid Karzai, according to current and former advisers to the Afghan leader.
“We called it ‘ghost money,’ ” said Khalil Roman, who served as Mr. Karzai’s deputy chief of staff from 2002 until 2005. “It came in secret, and it left in secret.”

Funny that you are doing it yourself and later complaining about it yourself. Classic argument would be, we had to do it and we had no other choice.
 
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