Hamas battle with Al Qaeda radicals kills 13, injures 100

[paritosh]

We will get Palestine without battle soon , no need to kill mouse with canon

can you elaborate?

 

[TruthSeeker]

Why you think it is dangrous mind set?
You dont have believe on dome day?
You dont have belive on last great war between jews and muslims/cristians?

Your angle or frame of mind may be different ?

I know you directed your questions to muse. The TruthSeeker here believes:

- dome day is a primordial myth,
- there will never be a "great war" between Jews and Christians who will remain friends,
- the last great war will be among Muslims over the meaning of true Islam.

 

[muse]

Couldn't have said it better

 

[gambit]

Question is why muslim countries are under foriegn agression?

Iran destroyed by Iraq,Kuwait destroyed by Iraq, Iraq destroyed by US, Afghanistan destroyed by Russia and now under attack by ISAF?

Utter BS.

Iran was not 'destroyed' by Iraq. They fought a bloody war to a standstill with each side claiming 'victory'. Iraq raped Kuwait, figuratively and literally, on the land and on the people. No foreigner powers ordered or were in some silly conspiracy with Saddam Hussein as some believe to invade Kuwait. Desert Storm involved foreigners because the petty despots in the ME were too weak and too distrustful of each other to do anything about an aggressive Iraq. To give the muslims some face, the foreigners who actually liberated Kuwait gave the credit to an Egyptian unit. Afghanistan? Ask yourself as to how did the Soviets got their hooks into the country in the first place? Was it the muslims there who invited them in and became the Soviets' puppet?

Stop trying play the victim. The world may be slowly but certainly is wearied of the muslims' blame game. Whatever ails the ummah %50 of the blame rest with the muslims, if not most of the blame. It was not Allah who gave the muslims the oil wealth, it was foreigners with a few strokes of their pens. And what have the ME gave the world since that time? Oil...And even that required foreigners assistance in intellectual and physical capital.

For the Palestinians? Why is the US the largest singular aid donor to the Palestinians? Do not bother US with how much aid we give to Israel. Given the billions in aid to the Palestinians, it would be like the US government giving every New York City resident a new house. And yet Arafat's family live in luxury in Paris while the average Palestinians live in poverty and foreign handouts. Address the corruption in the Palestinians' leadership council before you muslims start crying about how much aid we give to Israel as if the amount has some direct effect on the level of corruption of Arafat and company.

You identify with the Palestinians as in 'we'? Then what are you doing at home debating this issue against foreigners like me? Get over there, put on a mask and start chucking some stones at Israeli tanks. Then you can come back and start moaning with some credibility.

 

[Vassnti]

Looks like it may be the begining of things not the end.

Allah is sufficient for us, and He is the best of witnesses against this schism that has been ignited
by some of the collaborating leaders from Hamas that was heated up by some of the cooperative
[traitor] Hamas leaderships—and we wash our hands of responsibility for any events that might
take place in the next several days as a result... Await our response.”

http://www.nefafoundation.org/miscellaneous/FeaturedDocs/nefa_jundansarallah081609.pdf

 

[waraich66]

I know you directed your questions to muse. The TruthSeeker here believes:

- dome day is a primordial myth,
- there will never be a "great war" between Jews and Christians who will remain friends,
- the last great war will be among Muslims over the meaning of true Islam.

Read below post to clarify your doubts

Jesus Will Return - by Harun Yahya

 

[Durran3]

Before Jesus comes this will happen

And than the world will laugh at humanity !! hopefully a new specie will naturally evolve into something more intelligent, hopefully

 

[waraich66]

Utter BS.

Iran was not 'destroyed' by Iraq. They fought a bloody war to a standstill with each side claiming 'victory'. Iraq raped Kuwait, figuratively and literally, on the land and on the people. No foreigner powers ordered or were in some silly conspiracy with Saddam Hussein as some believe to invade Kuwait. Desert Storm involved foreigners because the petty despots in the ME were too weak and too distrustful of each other to do anything about an aggressive Iraq. To give the muslims some face, the foreigners who actually liberated Kuwait gave the credit to an Egyptian unit. Afghanistan? Ask yourself as to how did the Soviets got their hooks into the country in the first place? Was it the muslims there who invited them in and became the Soviets' puppet?

Intresting fake story

Who provided arms to Saddam against Iran?

United States support for Iraq during the Iran?Iraq war - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Muslims invited Russians ? No Sir, they wanted access and control in Indian Ocean (warm waters ).

Afghanistan was a decisive step in Soviet Russia's march to the Indian Ocean. Moscow's strategy of cultivating friendly relations with Indian Ocean states, such as India, Madagascar, ax South Yemen, and the buildup of a Soviet naval presence in the area during the 1960s arid 1970s seemed to justify such conclusion. Once in firm possession of Afghanistan the reasoning goes the Soviets could extend their influence and control southward to Pakistan, an unstable and ethnically divided state on the Indian Ocean's rim. One respected analyst has suggested that by the early twenty first century the Soviets either would have retreated back across the Amu Darya or, will be the dominant military and political force in South Asia and the Middle East.

Afghanistan

Stop trying play the victim. The world may be slowly but certainly is wearied of the muslims' blame game. Whatever ails the ummah %50 of the blame rest with the muslims, if not most of the blame. It was not Allah who gave the muslims the oil wealth, it was foreigners with a few strokes of their pens. And what have the ME gave the world since that time? Oil...And even that required foreigners assistance in intellectual and physical capital.

Oil is gift of Allah to Muslims ,how it was discovered and who is getting benefit of it is seperate debate.

For the Palestinians? Why is the US the largest singular aid donor to the Palestinians? Do not bother US with how much aid we give to Israel. Given the billions in aid to the Palestinians, it would be like the US government giving every New York City resident a new house. And yet Arafat's family live in luxury in Paris while the average Palestinians live in poverty and foreign handouts. Address the corruption in the Palestinians' leadership council before you muslims start crying about how much aid we give to Israel as if the amount has some direct effect on the level of corruption of Arafat and company.

By all accounts the United States has given more money to Israel than to any other country. The Congressional Research Service’s conservative estimate of total cumulative US aid to Israel (not adjusted for inflation) from 1949 through 2009 is $106.1647 billion.
US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians

Why US is giving aid only to Israel ? Why US tax payers are silent? May be because AIPAC have too much influence in US politics?

You identify with the Palestinians as in 'we'? Then what are you doing at home debating this issue against foreigners like me? Get over there, put on a mask and start chucking some stones at Israeli tanks. Then you can come back and start moaning with some credibility.

You dont have point to justify US double standards in Palestine , but remember ,darkness will not remain for longer period.

 

[Canaan]

except Hamas does not want a two state solution.

Zionist lie.
They already accepted the two state solution:
Hamas accepts two-state idea, says Carter | World news | The Guardian

n Damascus, Meshal appeared to confirm Carter's version. He said: "We agree to a state on pre-67 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital with genuine sovereignty without settlements but without recognising Israel." Hamas would "respect Palestinian national will even if it was against our convictions

 

[gambit]

Intresting fake story

Who provided arms to Saddam against Iran?

Arms? You telling people that America manufacture jet fighters whose names began with 'MIG'?

Muslims invited Russians ? No Sir, they wanted access and control in Indian Ocean (warm waters ).

The Soviets could not have established their puppet government in Kabul unless some were willing to help them. Please do some thinking.

Oil is gift of Allah to Muslims ,how it was discovered and who is getting benefit of it is seperate debate.

No...Oil was a gift from foreigners to the muslims. Allah had nothing to do with it.

By all accounts the United States has given more money to Israel than to any other country. The Congressional Research Service’s conservative estimate of total cumulative US aid to Israel (not adjusted for inflation) from 1949 through 2009 is $106.1647 billion.
US Aid to Israel and the Palestinians

Why US is giving aid only to Israel ? Why US tax payers are silent? May be because AIPAC have too much influence in US politics?

So how does this explain why the Palestinians live in poverty while Arafat's family live in luxury in Paris?

 

[waraich66]

Arms? You telling people that America manufacture jet fighters whose names began with 'MIG'?

The Soviets could not have established their puppet government in Kabul unless some were willing to help them. Please do some thinking.

No...Oil was a gift from foreigners to the muslims. Allah had nothing to do with it.

So how does this explain why the Palestinians live in poverty while Arafat's family live in luxury in Paris?

Enough links provided for your understanding , you cant deny the facts and figures of history exposing double standards of so called only super power.

 

[gambit]

Enough links provided for your understanding , you cant deny the facts and figures of history exposing double standards of so called only super power.

What you 'provided' to the readership is the now clear fact that you do not read your own sources and ended up embarrassing yourself. Your own source mentioned Said K Aburish...

Amazon.com: Saddam Hussein: The Politics of Revenge (9781582340500): Said K. Aburish: Books

I can quote from the book the exact chapter where the US and the UK refused to sell Saddam Hussein arms. Aburish was Saddam's shopping concierge in Europe. Whatever 'arms' we may have sold to Iraq would not be enough to amuse Uday and Qusay Hussein for a weekend.

 

[Thomas]

Zionist lie.
They already accepted the two state solution:
Hamas accepts two-state idea, says Carter | World news | The Guardian

n Damascus, Meshal appeared to confirm Carter's version. He said: "We agree to a state on pre-67 borders, with Jerusalem as its capital with genuine sovereignty without settlements but without recognising Israel." Hamas would "respect Palestinian national will even if it was against our convictions

Hamas's idea of what a two state solution. Is not the same as the rest of the worlds. The worlds idea is a permanent peace agreement leading to two separate states. One Palestinian and one Israeli. Hamas's idea is a ceasefire leading to Israel giving back all lands prior to the 1967 war. and a refusal to recognize Israels right to exist. The cease fire would be renewed every 10 years. Now you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that Hamas's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist and refusal to make a peace permanent. Their real plans is still to drive Israel into the sea. They may call it a two state solution. but in actuality it's just subverting the peace process to gain land. and make themselves look like on the surface of being lovers of peace.

AFP: Hamas chief leaning towards two-state solution

 

[waraich66]

What you 'provided' to the readership is the now clear fact that you do not read your own sources and ended up embarrassing yourself. Your own source mentioned Said K Aburish...

Amazon.com: Saddam Hussein: The Politics of Revenge (9781582340500): Said K. Aburish: Books

I can quote from the book the exact chapter where the US and the UK refused to sell Saddam Hussein arms. Aburish was Saddam's shopping concierge in Europe. Whatever 'arms' we may have sold to Iraq would not be enough to amuse Uday and Qusay Hussein for a weekend.

Read my post care fully did not said US provided arms to Iraq but they provided them strategic army secrets of Iran( Iran was close friend of US during Shah Rule) which is mentioned in the link provided.

He got billion of dollars from GCC ( US allies) and used to purchase arms from Russia and France (US allie ) and used against Iran brother muslim country.

How US and GCC wash their blood strains ?

 

[Canaan]

Hamas's idea of what a two state solution is. Is not the same as the rest of the worlds. The worlds idea is a permanent peace agreement leading to two separate states. One Palestinian and one Israeli. Hamas's idea is a ceasefire leading to Israel giving back all lands prior to the 1967 war. and a refusal to recognize Israels right to exist. The cease fire would be renewed every 10 years. Now you don't need to be a rocket scientist to see that Hamas's refusal to recognize Israel's right to exist and refusal to make a peace permanent. Their real plans is still to drive Israel into the sea. They may call it a two state solution. but in actuality it's just subverting the peace process to gain land. and make themselves look like on the surface of being lovers of peace.

AFP: Hamas chief leaning towards two-state solution

I don't see why Hamas HAS to recognize "Israel", as long as the borders are agreed upon internationally then everything else doesn't matter. What Hamas or others plan in secret is a whole different ball game. Every party has the freedom to plan and impliment, but they have to realize that there are consequences for their actions.
Furthermore, "Israel" has shown numerous times it can't be trusted, so I would also rather have a renewable ceasefire instead of a permanent peace plan that usually works in "Israel's" favor.
Yes it's no secret that Hamas' plan is to liberate all of Palestine and I also hope they or anyone else will succeed in doing that. On my part I will never recognize "Israel's" right to exist on the soil of my forefathers and nothing will ever change that. On the other hand I am the biggest supporter of re-locating "Israel" to a more natural spot like Southern Russia, North America or Europe, the faster the better.