Halal supermarket ordered to sell pork, alcohol or face closure

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It is not the same.
Your culture restrict things.
The French culture does not allow such restrictions.

There is no problem getting any type of food in Europe nowadays.
Allowing porc to be sold in Muslim countries not make them more tolerant on an absolute level.

Integration means that foreigners take on a positive role in the society as a contributor
to the wellbeing of others, by getting a job, a place to live and mind their own business,
instead of beeing a PITA.
Integration does not mean that You force someone to change religion.

It is matter of prospective... if French restrict the sale of dog meat the Korean might find it restrictive. It is your right to hate muslims.. As muslims we should love all others irrespective of their religion. We should be the progressive culture. France has the right to regress.

You hate... we love. ... we win.

 

[Vergennes]

"Cette supérette est communautariste à cause de ce qu'on n'y trouve pas, explique Olivier Virolle, le directeur général de CHP. Mais aussi à cause de ce qu'on y trouve: de la viande à 95% halal et des tapis de prière".

This supermarket is communitarian because of what is not found, says Olivier Virolle the CHP general manager. But also because of what is there: 95% of halal food and prayer mats.'

 

[MarkusS]

"It's business," Soulemane Yalcin, the manager of Good Price, told Le Parisien. “I look around me and I target what I see.

"The lease states ‘general food store and related activities’ – but it all depends on how you interpret ‘related activities’."

The authority is taking legal action to revoke the shop's lease, which runs until 2019.

The case will be heard in October.

Only halal or kosher as well..if you want no cruelty then stop killing animals and eating meat otherwise hala or non hala there is no good or bad way of killing and opposition of halal meat is just based on personal hatred and grudges for islam

our country our rules. In italy you arent even allowed to sell that stuff inside cities since its against italian values and culture

 

[Anubis]

Actually i see the key in "general food" as in all kind of food not specific religious food items.




Not really.This is how secular France came to be,with a heavy crack down on Catholicism.

I know France is not like the US....but isn't forcing a business to sell anything an anti-capitalist approach? Do stores that have the 'general food' clause in their lease actually sell 'everything'? What if I like eating cockroaches? Can I sue them for not selling cockroaches?

Vegetarianism is not based on religious discrimination.

What if a Jain(they don't eat meat because of religious reasons) opens a vegan store? Will that be considered to be religious discrimination against those who eat meat?

 

[bobo6661]

French restrict the sale of dog meat the Korean might find it restrictive

Dog meat Its banned in Poland and i think in whole EU to kill dogs and cats... So bad choice

 

[Indus Pakistan]

There is a big difference between restricting choice of stuff and requiring availability of stuff.

No Cardinal, there is not. This is same as saying "restricted and unrestricted". On the issue of the French ban it is possible that the lease requirement was for "general food store" or "communitarian". Both would imply that products that by definition are "general" are available for all members of the community. Since there will be those wanting to buy pork or alcohol a halal store would be contravening the lease agreement as it would be found discriminating against some customers.

Therefore if the lease has such covenant then I guess it would for the courts to decide if not selling some products was in contravention of "general" and "communitarian".

And this "our country our rules" is turning to farce. I wonder if those who faced Nuremburgh trials in 1945 also said "our country our rules".

 

[Anubis]

No Cardinal, there is not. This is same as saying "restricted and unrestricted". On the issue of the French ban it is possible that the lease requirement was for "general food store" or "communitarian". Both would imply that products that by definition are "general" are available by the community. Since there will be those wanting to buy pork or alcohol a halal store would be contravening the lease agreement as it would be found discriminating against some customers.

Therefore if the lease has such covenant then I guess it would for the courts to decide if not selling some products was in contravention of "general" and "communitarian".

And this "our country our rules" is turning to farce. I wonder if those who faced Nuremburgh trials in 1945 also said "our country our rules".

Good point.

I think they should be honest about what they are doing...if they do want to discriminate why hide behind the veils of rectum-derived regulations....just say **** the Muslims and do it....other Europeans who want applaud France for what they are doing can do it but they MUST recognize that using "our country our rules" is actually cowardice....they want discriminate they can but they should have the balls to admit it.

 

[bobo6661]

No Cardinal, there is not. This is same as saying "restricted and unrestricted". On the issue of the French ban it is possible that the lease requirement was for "general food store" or "communitarian". Both would imply that products that by definition are "general" are available by all members of the community. Since there will be those wanting to buy pork or alcohol a halal store would be contravening the lease agreement as it would be found discriminating against some customers.

Therefore if the lease has such covenant then I guess it would for the courts to decide if not selling some products was in contravention of "general" and "communitarian".

And this "our country our rules" is turning to farce. I wonder if those who faced Nuremburgh trials in 1945 also said "our country our rules".

Ok,it's time to end this circus. This store is located in my commune called 'Colombes'. Colombes is a very beautiful city,clean with an awesome park and the majority of the inhabitants have high income. This store is located near a low income suburb where many of the inhabitants are muslims and or africans.
I sometimes go near it,because next to it there's a GP and a pharmacy.
Last week,I went to the GP for my son,and went to this store to buy him something to drink.
No where it is written it's a halal store. It's called 'Good Price',and should be a store where we can find everything,since it's a 'general store'.
Most of their products are oriental or even turks. (The vast majority of their products aren't written in french...)
There's no alcohol or pork. Instead of putting music or things like this like there is in a Carrefour,they are putting 'quran'. To be honest,yes that's a communautarist store only made for a certain community,not everyone,and for someone living in the area,it would be difficult to get some alcohol or pork.
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If this was a halal store,I would probably understand,but THIS IS NOT ONE. No where it is written it's one.

Thanks.

 

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Dog meat Its banned in Poland and i think in whole EU to kill dogs and cats... So bad choice

Exactly my point... why are you restricting korean and Chinese?

 

[DesiGuy1403]

I think these sections of migrants are taking advantage of the hospitality & laws of the western nations.

About time these western nations hit back at these rabid fanatics and showed them their place.

 

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our country our rules. In italy you arent even allowed to sell that stuff inside cities since its against italian values and culture

Exactly my point... your country your rules... just don't hide behind the cloak of tolerance.. Be open of your hatred..... Muslims should not emulate... we should make our societies open and tolerant.. And by and large that's the direction most Muslim countries are going... the educated new generation has woken up to decades of regressive wahabbiism and now is moving towards tolerance... on the other hand like you threatened ethnic clensing a few post ago are heading towards that abyss

 

[Indus Pakistan]

My penny on this. It is for the decent people on both sides of the equation to put a cap on this thing. Both sides are attracting extreme views. France is French. So we got to respect that they will decide to do the right thing. Of course France can go down the road of Saudia Arabia, Pakistan or even Afghanistan but is that what most French want? I don't think so.

France, Algeria, Tunisia and Marrocco are interwoven by history and geography. My brother came back from holiday in Marakech and his overwhelming impression was there were French everywhere and French influence dominated that country.

 

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I think these sections of migrants are taking advantage of the hospitality & laws of the western nations.

About time these western nations hit back at these rabid fanatics and showed them their place.

Force hindus to sell Beef? Damn those Rabin fanatic hindus refusing to sell Beef! *sarc*

 

[DesiGuy1403]

Force hindus to sell Beef?

They are already doing that all over the world without any complaint.
I have been to US, Europe and Australia. There are literally millions of Hindus working in these places.
We Hindus work in supermarkets and restaurants that have beef.
I eat frequently in restaurants that have beef on the menu. I don't eat the beef but I don't boycott these places and eat the other options on the menu.

Hindus adapt to the place. We don't demand the community that sheltered us and provided us a better life to adjust to us. We adjust to their way of life.

 

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My penny on this. It is for the decent people on both sides of the equation to put a cap on this thing. Both sides are attracting extreme views. France is French. So we got to respect that they will decide to do the right thing. Of course France can go down the road of Saudia Arabia, Pakistan or even Afghanistan but is that what most French want? I don't think so.

France, Algeria, Tunisia and Marrocco are interwoven by history and geography. My brother came back from holiday in Marakech and his overwhelming impression was there were French everywhere and French influence dominated that country.

Well going by the European mentalities.. As shown here ... those French in Morocco, Tunisia, and Morocco should be forced to speak Arabic, wear Arabic cloths, those ungrateful whites... refusing to integrate! They are asking for a massacre if they don't integrate!! *sarc*

They are already doing that all over the world without any complaint.
I have been to US, Europe and Australia. There are literally millions of Hindus working in these places.
We Hindus work in supermarkets and restaurants that have beef.
I eat frequently in restaurants that have beef on the menu. I don't eat the beef but I don't boycott these places and eat the other options on the menu.

Hindus adapt to the place. We don't demand the community that sheltered us and provided us a better life to adjust to us. We adjust to their way of life.

Millions of hindus in groceries stores in the west? Ok, by that skewed logic... there are Billions and billions of muslims working in grocery stores in the west! Lol


Haven't seen a single Hindu grocery store selling beef... have been to countless mainstream grocery stores (i.e. not an ethical one) and there are plenty of muslims working there... i even saw a hijabi working in the meat section placing pork...