Halal meat hypocrisy- secular bigotry galore

[ozzy22]

What ? Romans and Greeks had hospitals and universities way before muslims.




How the hell do you know why these people argue for that law ? Again with that victim mentality that everyone is out there to hurt muslims.As i've said endless moaning .You bitch about halal and see it as targeting muslims but act offended when people call muslims terrorists when things such as the Charlie Hebdo attacks happen.Don't paint the world through your eyes if you don't want others to do the same.

How am I acting like a victim when I’ve clearly said there are genuine issues to be talked about? My point is this isn’t one of them. This whole pushing for Halal meat to be banned has nothing to do with animal welfare. You even agreeing/defending with this non-issue weakens your other points that might actually have some weight to it. This whole thing is nothing but reactionary. Exactly what the extremists want.

The only people that should be blamed for Charlie hebdo are those two brothers that actually committed the act. I’ll condemn it (which I did), but if people want ordinary Muslims to apologize for something they had no part in then they can F@uk off.


P.S Can people stop saying their country their rules. It's a meaningless sentence.

 

[flamer84]

The only people that should be blamed for Charlie hebdo are those two brothers that actually committed the act. I’ll condemn it (which I did), but if people want ordinary Muslims to apologize for something they had no part in then they can F@uk off.

I don't want muslims to apologise for what they aren't responsible,i want muslims not to use the "we condemn this act but...*insert apologism here tracing the problem with drawing of cartoons* " rhetoric.

 

[Luffy 500]

So @Luffy 500 every country has their law...nobody from Denmark questions how you kill animal in your country. Their country, their law..follow it or exit the country.

Actually they question other countries abt their laws. Don't they diplomatically "insist" for implementation of secular laws concerning "women's rights" , gender issues? Don't they whine every time KSA executes or lash someone? 20 years ago no one fathomed that homosexuality would be part of UN declaration of human rights and now they r literally calling muslim countries to accept such abominations. What makes u think they won't do the same with regards of halal slaughter in the name of animal rights?

Football?? But that's what seculars watch ! And the evil Brits invented football ! And so on,and so forth....

I thought secularism/liberalism is a socio-political philosophy of 17 century european philosophers. Was football part of their philosophy?

how is this secular bigotry? It's a basic example of democracy at work: some people demanded a ban, so it was looked at. Others campaigned against a ban and that was considered too. Is that unfair? Unfortunately, living under mullah propaganda makes people hateful and bitter when there's no need.

FYI this issue has already been addressed. The government responded that it has no plans to ban halal or kosher sacrifice. I can't post the link, Google if you want.

Just bcs values and beliefs of a community doesn't conform your views , u can debate abt discriminating against them? And doing such is not bigotry ?- Hypocrisy 101 updated and bigotry redefined conforming liberal secular ethos of the 21st century democratic west.

Btw denmark banned halal slaughter and other EU states banned minarets and niqab. SO secular liberal bigotry is there for everyone to see. Its seems secular propaganda doesn't simply make people hateful but also intellectually deaf, dumb and blind.

 

[Schutz]

I don't want muslims to apologise for what they aren't responsible,i want muslims not to use the "we condemn this act but...*insert apologism here tracing the problem with drawing of cartoons* " rhetoric.

You have to remember your talking to people who believe in a religion started by a general who heard voices, its not exactly the best starting point for a "peaceful religion", if I was a muslim I would be defending my faith from all of the hundreds of thousands (millions?) who are willing to kill in its name. Yet somehow its not their duty, and then the week after one of the neighbours flees to Syria to join ISIS, then its still not there duty. In my small city alone there has been several teenagers who have gone to join ISIS, no marches or protests from the muslim community about this even though they are fairly well integrated here nobody has spoken up to try to get people to stop.

Hell there was even pictures a few months back of a large group of men waving Islamic states flags having a BBQ out in the open, with the amount of people there then surely by "six degrees of separation" then large amounts of local muslims must know someone who has these viewpoints but there hasnt been one bit of effort to stop this, its just "I WONT CONDEMN SOMETHING I HAVENT DONE" even though numbers of people from all over the UK are slowly joining there must be at the very least thousands or more of extended families affected by this yet they have done nothing to slow it down or show any form of disagreement which just leads me to believe that they either have the same views or nothing.

The only protests I have seen are very small in number and are Kurds/Shia who whilst suffering the most should not be the ones that need to be protesting. I dont want people to condemn this but I want people to actually go out of there way and enforce to their own "people" that joining extremists groups and fleeing abroad to an almost certain death is wrong.

 

[Gazprom]

Their land ,their rules.If you don't like it,you islamofascists are welcome to leave to your sharia infested cesspools .

 

[Hage Tado]

Actually they question other countries abt their laws. Don't they diplomatically "insist" for implementation of secular laws concerning "women's rights" , gender issues? Don't they whine every time KSA executes or lash someone? 20 years ago no one fathomed that homosexuality would be part of UN declaration of human rights and now they r literally calling muslim countries to accept such abominations. What makes u think they won't do the same with regards of halal slaughter in the name of animal rights?

I think you fail understand what LIBERALISM is...hence you come up with absurd argument. Liberalism means equal rights to all, even the animals...it doesn't mean you get the freedom to do whatever you want to... Why west speaks for women rights, and against execution and lashes in public is because it is nothing but modern day barbarism. The world has moved ahead...and any progressing culture should change with time, and the change should be for the betterment of the humanity and peace for all. Most of the modern world are either in the green or orange stages (in the image below)...unfortunately most of the Islamic world is living the blue stages for a long long time now.

Now coming to the so called halaal culling of animals, if it is done on an anesthetized animal there is nothing wrong in it. But if it done on an alive animal and multiple animals done at once it is not humane form of culling as it imparts pain and stress.

 

[Luffy 500]

I think you fail understand what LIBERALISM is...hence you come up with absurd argument. Liberalism means equal rights to all, even the animals. Why west speaks for women rights, and against execution and lashes in public is because it is nothing but modern day barbarism. The world has moved ahead...and any progressing culture should change with time, and the change should be for the betterment of the humanity and peace for all. Most of the modern world are either in the green or orange stages (in the image below)...unfortunately most of the Islamic world is living the blue stages for a long long time now.
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Oh i understand what liberalism is all right. Its abt the western philosophical notion of the "individual" being guaranteed certain rights , which btw are left to arbitrary interpretation of gov ruled by a few elites. The belief that humans collectively can come to conclusions that can never be wrong and ordaining laws is left to human wit and intellect. Humans who r by nature flawed and prone to their selfish desires and not share the same arbitary definitions of right & wrong. Its a complete european notion born out of their experience with the church. It has nothing to do with Islam and muslims. Guaranteeing materialistic desires of humans is considered liberalism , no matter how morally questionable that may be . Since liberals reject religion, they don't believe in human conscience and they don't have any moral compass to lean back to.

The secular notion is born out of the assumption that all religions r man-made anyway and as such are equal , so they should be restricted to private lives and governing should be left to the collective flawed wit of few elites to be precise. Seculars believe their religion & way of life i.e secularism/liberalism is the only civilised way and all other way is wrong and u would be tolerated as long as u subscribe to their world view , otherwise u will have to be liberated......by force if necessary.
Again muslims don't believe in any such notion and regards such notion as blasphemous. We believe islam is the Only true religion and way of life , as it is ordained by God for mankind , and laws can only be derived based on the Quran & sunnah.


Islam is 180 degree to liberal secularism.Why should muslims abide by a system defined by some 17th century philosophers whose understanding were shaped by the socio-political environment of their time, not to mention their flawed assumption and biases. Accept it or not, these r very 2 different civilizations with 2 different mindsets.

The term progress/development r all relative. Is secularism really progress? Beastality, homosexuality, drugs and sex related crimes is progress? What abt their flawed economic system that has plagued the whole world. UK had to spend 50 Bn pounds/year on alcohol related harm. Widening inequality, blatant consumenrism is considered development. That's some progress. What u understand by progress is what the dominant global cultural narrative wants u to understand by progress. Islam is the complete anti-thesis of everything liberal secularism stands for. liberal secularism just a man-made fallacy and like all other man-made system its going to die out with time.

Btw muslim lands r ruled by secular/liberal "muslims" with secular laws left behind by secular western colonizers. oil and water would never mix and trying to force down the falsehood of secularism down muslim throats would naturally result in chaos that would effect everyone. Asking muslims to be liberal/secular is like asking a christian/jew to be a hindu or an athiest to be a deist.

Now coming to the so called halaal culling of animals, if it is done on an anesthetized animal there is nothing wrong in it. But if it done on an alive animal and multiple animals done at once it is not humane form of culling as it imparts pain and stress.

How do u know its not humane? Your science doesn't agree and even if i agree for the sake of argument that u have certain scientific findings in favor of your view , there r scientific findings opposing your views as well. How can u say non-halal slaughter by stunning is humane? Just bcs u feel like it and it makes rationale sense to some people doesn't make it humane. At the end of the day its just what u feel like conforms your preconceived notions of right & wrong. And what abt freedom of religion?

Btw islamic scholars don't allow stunning bcs it hurts the animal & there is a risk of the animal being dead before slaughter and as such that won't be halal.

Is there a text of the Qur’aan that forbids stunning animals before slaughtering them? - islamqa.info
Ruling on Electrically Shocking an Animal When Slaughtering - islamqa.info