Halal meat hypocrisy- secular bigotry galore

[ozzy22]

Not really so...we're not moving to Indonesia,Saudi Arabia than ask for "our customs" to be implemented.

What do you mean “we’re” stop acting like your part of the developed Western world and didn’t the West have two wars were one of their main goals was to implement democracy?

 

[flamer84]

What do you mean “we’re” stop acting like your part of the developed Western world and didn’t the West have two wars were one of their main goals was to implement democracy?

Sry...EU=Western world.......and yes "we" can mean Romanians aren't moving in Denmark and ask for their customs to be respected.On top of that when legislation is influenced in the EU,it influences us.Being a native European,being citizen of the EU i can call myself that,sry if it butthurts you.On top of it all,the poster who i was quoting was refering to me as "you",so i've answered the same.You can take your complaints to him.

The wars were "to defend democracy".

 

[ozzy22]

Sry...EU=Western world.......and yes "we" can mean Romanians aren't moving in Denmark and ask for their customs to be respected.On top of that when legislation is influenced in the EU,it influences us.Being a native European,being citizen of the EU i can call myself that,sry if it butthurts you.On top of it all,the poster who i was quoting was refering to me as "you",so i've answered the same.You can take your complaints to him.

The wars were "to defend democracy".

If that’s the case why don’t you leave the EU? I forgot you’ll become even more irrelevent as a country. Need to attach yourself to the Western world to make yourself feel better? We all know Romania would have been as powerful as Germany if it wasn't for those pesky gypsies who are guilty of causing all the ills of Romania.

Please tell me more about those two wars being about defending democracy?

 

[flamer84]

If that’s the case why don’t you leave the EU? I forgot you’ll become even more irrelevent as a country. Need to attach yourself to the Western world to make yourself feel better? We all know Romania would have been as powerful as Germany if it wasn't for those pesky gypsies who are guilty of causing all the ills of Romania.

Please tell me more about those two wars being about defending democracy?

Now you're just uzzing butthurt.I like your reasoning,native Europeans should shut up and let the immigrants from tribal villages ask for whatever they want.No can do,sry,as much as it displeases you we can voice our opinions and it's not like we're not just ecoing what others are saying.As for relevancy,powerful,etc...meh,Romania it is what it is but i can't really take you serious,can i ? not with 1,5k gdp per capita,lol.

I'll tell you more about those wars when you'll learn to discuss without being butthurt .

 

[Luffy 500]

Their country,their rules.If you don't like it stay at home.

If the Danes want to shag a goat,they'll shag a goat.DEAL WITH IT.

Off course now their country their rules even if those rules go against your declared values of freedom of religion. Liberalism is inherently bigoted and hypocritical, a man-made fallacy.

And u can accept such norms since u have no objective morality.

A dead animal is a dead animal. Whether your need to kill an animal for your sustenance has more merit than that animal's right to live, before an impartial god(if he exists) is a question for each individual to ask.

U should read the article before foaming at your mouth , seeing the word halal. But then again there is the danger of learning something.

Yeah secularism is totaly to blame...

You didn't know that secularism urges you to have sexual intercourse with dogs ? You better check that secular manual,page 106,right after page 105 where they tell you to take a dump naked in a bee hive.

Off course. Did denmark have any moral compass to lean back to? What argument do they have against such abominations? How would they judge right & wrong? The central creed of liberalism/secularism which is individualism allows for whatever the individual wants to suit his desires. A majority vote in parliament and even rape can be legal under some liberal definition of human rights. Secularism/liberalism believes Blatant hedonism= Happiness.

Even in the field of research (in UK), one has to go through the ethical clearance and adhere to schedule one culling methods (humane culling) which includes lethal dose of anaesthesia, neck dislocation etc. The so called "halaal" way of killing (cutting the jugular) especially in a mass culling is considered inhumane because of 2 reasons:
1. Prolonged pain
2. Blood being spilled, which other animals can smell and will result in stress.

https://www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/229022/0193.pdf

So @Luffy 500 every country has their law...nobody from Denmark questions how you kill animal in your country. Their country, their law..follow it or exit the country.

Science disagrees with you and it seems the german gov also disagrees with you.

It has nothing to do with "animal rights" but a bigoted attempt to outlaw something that doesn't conform their views.

But what happened to freedom of religion that secular liberals so passionately pretend to espouse? Jews also slaughter in the same way.

Btw science shows that Islamic way is the most merciful way of slaughtering. But for us muslims its not even a question since God is the one who ordained this method of slaughter and therefore it must be the ONLY humane and merciful way of slaughtering. All other methods is inevitably inhumane.

I always said we shouldn't interfere.

.Your gov interferes. Next time u should restrain your self from commenting on any saudi/indonesian related threads abt lashing and capital punishments.

 

[ozzy22]

Now you're just uzzing butthurt.I like your reasoning,native Europeans should shut up and let the immigrants from tribal villages ask for whatever they want.No can do,sry,as much as it displeases you we can voice our opinions and it's not like we're not just ecoing what others are saying.As for relevancy,powerful,etc...meh,Romania it is what it is but i can't really take you serious,can i ? not with 1,5k gdp per capita,lol.

I'll tell you more about those wars when you'll learn to discuss without being butthurt .

The thing is I know what Pakistan is but I don’t attach myself to other peoples success to make myself feel better, unlike you.

There are plenty of problems with Muslims in Europe but halal meat isn’t one of them. These are the same people that consume more meat than anyone else mostly from awful factory farm meat and have the nerve to criticize Muslims for halal meat. This whole thing is out of hatred and nothing else.

Like I said before I would love to know how those wars were about defending democracy and no I'm not butthurt.

 

[Luffy 500]

What a stupid comparison? They have banned animal abuse already and think halal method is animal abuse. If some one breaks the law, answer is better implementation and not declaring animal abuse is OK.

But most of the abuse takes place in non-halal/kosher slaughter houses. And that's according to the largest animal rights group in UK.

 

[Hage Tado]

Science disagrees with you and it seems the german gov also disagrees with you.
Btw science shows that Islamic way is the most merciful way of slaughtering. But for us muslims its not even a question since God is the one who ordained this method of slaughter and therefore it must be the ONLY humane and merciful way of slaughtering. All other methods is inevitably inhumane..

When you use the word "science" you have to cite...I work with animals and in my experience any culling after the animal is anaesthetised is humane...and any mode of culling without deep anaesthesia isn't. However there is NO scientific article to prove your bizarre claim to be true.

 

[Sneaker]

But most of the abuse takes place in non-halal/kosher slaughter houses. And that's according to the largest animal rights group in UK.

So? It is illegal still. Just because more whites commit crimes in UK doesn't mean crimes committed by others should be legal there..

 

[Jungibaaz]

But most of the abuse takes place in non-halal/kosher slaughter houses. And that's according to the largest animal rights group in UK.

The hypocrisy, double standard and misinformation on Halal slaughter in the UK is shocking now. You can thank the far right, BNP, Britain First and some others for that, and some animal rights groups who have it as their natural position that all animal slaughter is wrong.

British attitudes are also to blame, people would rather not see blood and guts when it comes to meat, just a neat plastic packaged piece of supermarket meat with a neat little logo of a cow or chicken with a big smile on it's face, to show you that your animal was only too happy during slaughter and consented.

 

[Luffy 500]

When you use the word "science" you have to cite...I work with animals and in my experience any culling after the animal is anaesthetised is humane...and any mode of culling without deep anaesthesia isn't. However there is NO scientific article to prove your bizarre claim to be true.

U didn't read the article did U?

Btw after reading the article u would realize that the german gov also doesn't agree with your pseudoscientific argument against halal/kosher slaughter.

 

[Hage Tado]

U didn't read the article did U?

Btw after reading the article u would realize that the german gov also doesn't agree with your pseudoscientific argument against halal/kosher slaughter.

I have read the article, German government can make rules for Germany. If they do not want to accept something they are free to. However, it doesn't make your claim true... Here are two scientific article to back my claims.
The first paper quotes "The RSPCA recognises that religious beliefs and practices should be respected. We also believe that it is important to ensure that animals are slaughtered under the most humane conditions possible.Scientific research has clearly demonstrated that slaughter of an animal without stunning can cause unnecessary suffering. The RSPCA is opposed to the slaughter of any food animal without first rendering it insensible to pain and distress until death supervenes."
Scientifically the only humane way of culling is post-anaesthesia...there can't be anything more human than that.
Religious slaughter - Slaughter - Farm animals

Stunning and killing cattle humanely and reliably in emergency situations — A comparison between a stunning-only and a stunning and pithing protocol

https://www.avma.org/KB/Policies/Documents/euthanasia.pdf

 

[Luffy 500]

The hypocrisy, double standard and misinformation on Halal slaughter in the UK is shocking now. You can thank the far right, BNP, Britain First and some others for that, and some animal rights groups who have it as their natural position that all animal slaughter is wrong.

British attitudes are also to blame, people would rather not see blood and guts when it comes to meat, just a neat plastic packaged piece of supermarket meat with a neat little logo of a cow or chicken with a big smile on it's face, to show you that your animal was only too happy during slaughter and consented.

Yeah it seems the far right in europe is rising and milking the media hysteria against muslims. Muslims in europe should become more proactive and interact with the wider society and not be apologetic abt their faith.

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Btw Would u like to imagine a western society where veganism is the dominant cultural narrative and what the situation of muslims may be in that society? Its a 2 hr long lecture but definitely worth it IMO, specially for people like u who r muslims in the west. U can see the intellectual brilliance of Shaykh Dr. Yasir Qadhi :

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[Screambowl]

I have eaten halal so many times...

 

[flamer84]

The thing is I know what Pakistan is but I don’t attach myself to other peoples success to make myself feel better, unlike you.

There are plenty of problems with Muslims in Europe but halal meat isn’t one of them. These are the same people that consume more meat than anyone else mostly from awful factory farm meat and have the nerve to criticize Muslims for halal meat. This whole thing is out of hatred and nothing else.

Like I said before I would love to know how those wars were about defending democracy and no I'm not butthurt.

Yes you are butthurt and you're a hypocrite to.You saw a problem that a Romanian comments such things but you didn't see a problem when a Bangladeshi posters concerns himself with Danish laws.

I see no problem with halal per say,i slaughter pigs for Christmas and lambs for Easter as per tradition by my own hand.If i were to immigrate to Denmark i will stop doing that because it's against the law.Instead of moaning so much people should learn to obey the laws if they want lo live in a foreign country.The more you moan and push "your way" on people the more you're antagonising them.And than you act surprised.