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If you were in that team, you will celebrate it too. why you being hateful? you got rejected from IIT entrance? ;)

Any videos of the N-LCA first flight???

The test was categorised as classified by DRDO. ADA has decided to not release it for a while. Kindly goto GoI website and whine. Use RTI powers. :lol:

Congrats for building the Naval LCA, but we still do not know why we are developing it? Where are we going to use it? What is the plan?

Why USA developed naval fighters? what is the use? what is plan? ;)
 
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There is no need to display such brain-numbing ignorance. Yoga is practiced as exercise, not as science. As far as science goes, the position today is the same as it was forty years ago, although it is not clear why we are talking about forty years ago: what happened forty years ago?

White men call it excercise to hide their insecurity and keep Christians away from ticking off because if they told them truth of Yoga's origins they might not practice it as they(hardcore-christians) have phobia to Sanskritic heritages of India. Try showing a Swastik symbol to your white friend's parents. :lol:

Yoga's basis is rooted in ancient Indian sciences which validates its utility and effectiveness. 40 years ago, western experts used to ridicule Yoga as "tribal backwardness with no usefulness to daily human life". Today, same are admiring it because today's medical science approves its effectiveness for a healthy mind and body. And as far as Vedic sciences are concerned, the word Yoga itself is a Sanskrit word and encompasses a vast discipline of meditation. As far as superstitions are concerned, then yes, Britishers used to refer Yoga as superstitous thing back in 19th century. They used to say, "who is this guy doing strange movements? Is he possessed?" In those times, europeans didn't know anything more than jumping on toes as excercise. :lol:

And what is this rahu-kalaam? It seems you have some grudges towards some astrologer and you are taking your anger out on everyone by abusing their heritage. ;)
 
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White men call it excercise to hide their insecurity and keep Christians away from ticking off because if they told them truth of Yoga's origins they might not practice it as they(hardcore-christians) have phobia to Sanskritic heritages of India. Try showing a Swastik symbol to your white friend's parents. :lol:

As is evident from the experience of hundreds, even thousands of practitioners, Yoga can be practiced as an exercise system with no reference to its philosophical ramifications. This is true of Indian practitioners, as well as others. It is not necesary to go into the philosophy to benefit from Yoga.

Yoga's basis is rooted in ancient Indian sciences which validates its utility and effectiveness
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Can you name one? And outline it? There is no scientific validation of Yoga, then or now.

It is fascinating to watch you cope with trying to use the word science in your own support, without any understanding of what science means, or what science stands for.

40 years ago, western experts used to ridicule Yoga as "tribal backwardness with no usefulness to daily human life". Today, same are admiring it because today's medical science approves its effectiveness for a healthy mind and body
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Forty years ago, in the 70s of the last century, Yoga was well accepted in Europe and in the USA. It had its opponents. They have their superstitious and regressive idiots, just like we have you.
 
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And as far as Vedic sciences are concerned, the word Yoga itself is a Sanskrit word and encompasses a vast discipline of meditation. As far as superstitions are concerned, then yes, Britishers used to refer Yoga as superstitous thing back in 19th century. They used to say, "who is this guy doing strange movements? Is he possessed?" In those times, europeans didn't know anything more than jumping on toes as excercise. :lol:

What is the connection between science and meditation? You don't have any idea about science, do you?

In those times, and in these times, those same people jumping on toes as exercise thrashed everybody else in sports, including athletics.

There were exceptions, squash being one. However, you are welcome to ask if Hashim Khan, or Jehangir Khan, or Jansher Khan, used Yoga.

Neither did Dhyan Chand; as a fauji, he would have used PT a lot, a variation of jumping on your toes as exercise.

And what is this rahu-kalaam? It seems you have some grudges towards some astrologer and you are taking your anger out on everyone by abusing their heritage. ;)

It may come as a vast surprise to you, but I have no truck with astrologers or with superstitious practices like astrology. That is not part of our heritage; it is a piece of conmanship intended to dupe people and extract money from them.

I dislike astrology and astrologers in the same way that I despise cheats, forgers and pick-pockets.
 
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What is the connection between science and meditation? You don't have any idea about science, do you?

In those times, and in these times, those same people jumping on toes as exercise thrashed everybody else in sports, including athletics.

There were exceptions, squash being one. However, you are welcome to ask if Hashim Khan, or Jehangir Khan, or Jansher Khan, used Yoga.

Neither did Dhyan Chand; as a fauji, he would have used PT a lot, a variation of jumping on your toes as exercise.



It may come as a vast surprise to you, but I have no truck with astrologers or with superstitious practices like astrology. That is not part of our heritage; it is a piece of conmanship intended to dupe people and extract money from them.

I dislike astrology and astrologers in the same way that I despise cheats, forgers and pick-pockets.

hmmm... folks we have another mahatma here :D learn as much about vedas and hinduism as you can... any more lessons guruji :lol: As far as yogais concerned, it's a vedic invention, ifyou don't know about it, just shut up... :)
 
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As is evident from the experience of hundreds, even thousands of practitioners, Yoga can be practiced as an exercise system with no reference to its philosophical ramifications. This is true of Indian practitioners, as well as others. It is not necesary to go into the philosophy to benefit from Yoga.

That doesn't negate the fact that Yoga is product of Vedic branch of health science studies. you have implicitly admitted this by being insecure of admitting the connection. And as I said before, Yoga is sold as "excercise" because scientists don't want to tick off extremist Christians in West by exposing them to Sanskritic roots of Yoga. In fact, all literature on Yogic science is in Sanskrit, only recently translated to english and european languages. ;)

Can you name one? And outline it? There is no scientific validation of Yoga, then or now.

Indians regard Yoga as a scientific practice. That's enough proof for the world. Why you need white men's signature on it? you are showing Colonial mentality. ;)

Similar mentality exists in our IAF and Indian army leadership, who needs Israeli stamp on Arjun MBT technology to ensure it works, otherwise they won't touch or even use it. Touch of white men is necessary it seems. Anything Indian is backward for them. :lol:
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Forty years ago, in the 70s of the last century, Yoga was well accepted in Europe and in the USA. It had its opponents. They have their superstitious and regressive idiots, just like we have you.

If they had rejected it, would you have rejected it too? ;) :lol: :lol:
 
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hmmm... folks we have another mahatma here :D learn as much about vedas and hinduism as you can... any more lessons guruji :lol: As far as yogais concerned, it's a vedic invention, ifyou don't know about it, just shut up... :)

Since you have come late to the discussion, and apparently don't have a clue, Yoga appears not in the Vedas, but in the work of Patanjali. Further, the discussion was about the scientific value of Yoga, which the defender Angad_NSA was unable to prove, not being clear in his own mind about what science was.

Yoga was not an invention, and it was not originally in the Vedas. I suggest you learn your basics, and then enter a discussion.
 
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That doesn't negate the fact that Yoga is product of Vedic branch of health science studies. you have implicitly admitted this by being insecure of admitting the connection. And as I said before, Yoga is sold as "excercise" because scientists don't want to tick off extremist Christians in West by exposing them to Sanskritic roots of Yoga. In fact, all literature on Yogic science is in Sanskrit, only recently translated to english and european languages.

Apart from frequent winks and nods, which seem to be adequate substitutes for facts and logic for you, you have not connected Yoga and health science studies anywhere. Nowhere was an implicit admission made; not mentioning a connection that does not exist does not admit that connection.

The point about Yoga being sold as exercise is precisely that it has no organic link to science. Physics, for instance, a science, cannot be sold as a game, to obscure its origins. Physics, for instance, is entirely dependent on the scientific method, which you have failed to define, or even display a remote acquaintance with, in any of your posts. As a result, you are reduced to clutching at straws such as claiming that somebody's failure to mention a non-existent connection implies a connection. What moonshine!

Indians regard Yoga as a scientific practice. That's enough proof for the world. Why you need white men's signature on it? you are showing Colonial mentality. ;)

Ah, at last! "It is our faith, and needs no further proof", and of course the compulsory wink and nod. Back to Ayodhya, is it? No need for scientific proof; the fact that millions of Hindus who don't know how to spell science believe that it is science is sufficient. Still no signs of any comprehension of the scientific method.

Similar mentality exists in our IAF and Indian army leadership, who needs Israeli stamp on Arjun MBT technology to ensure it works, otherwise they won't touch or even use it. Touch of white men is necessary it seems. Anything Indian is backward for them. :lol:

A rule of thumb: the weaker a discussion, the more the discussant resorts to smileys. It is a substitute for facts, and covers the awkward gaps.

The Army and Air Force have nothing to do with Yoga being, or not being, a science, or based on science. Do not create smoke-screens to disguise your complete lack of arguments. And leave your Bharat-Rakshak whines in Bharat-Rakshak.

If they had rejected it, would you have rejected it too? ;) :lol: :lol:

If one smiley indicates a weak argument, what is two smileys? Right, it signifies an absence of argument.

Just examine the sentence above.

The point made by Angad_NSA was that

40 years ago, so-called "Scientists" used to mock Yoga as tribal science.

This was patently false, and that is what my answer indicated, that forty years ago, it was well-accepted. It being rejected by them is neither here nor there; that is not what Angad_NSA claimed. Having been contradicted flatly, and with nothing further to say, he pretends that the issue was something else.

Ignorant and a liar, to boot.
 
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Angad and Mr. Joe. It would perhaps be fair on my part to inform you both that Yoga is not what you both seem to see it as(Viola I added a 3rd dimension to it). Yoga is explicit by itself and I take immense pleasure and Pain at the same time to inform you that LCA Tejas does not use this feature and may I also advocate on behalf of myself and the crew here that you two have boarded a wrong thread for discussions such as these. Kindly discontinue.
 
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If you were in that team, you will celebrate it too. why you being hateful? you got rejected from IIT entrance? ;)

It has nothing to do with hate, I simply don't have the attitude to celebrate every baby step of the development, because that only hides the other side of the problem. I celebrate when there is something to celebrate (IOC, FOC, set up of the first operational squad) and not for PR reasons.
When we look at it with open eyes, we must ask why DRDO, ADA and co needed roughly 2 years (roll out of N-LCA in 2010), to get the same fighter without any changes up in the sky?

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Apart from frequent winks and nods, which seem to be adequate substitutes for facts and logic for you, you have not connected Yoga and health science studies anywhere. Nowhere was an implicit admission made; not mentioning a connection that does not exist does not admit that connection.

The point about Yoga being sold as exercise is precisely that it has no organic link to science. Physics, for instance, a science, cannot be sold as a game, to obscure its origins. Physics, for instance, is entirely dependent on the scientific method, which you have failed to define, or even display a remote acquaintance with, in any of your posts. As a result, you are reduced to clutching at straws such as claiming that somebody's failure to mention a non-existent connection implies a connection. What moonshine!



Ah, at last! "It is our faith, and needs no further proof", and of course the compulsory wink and nod. Back to Ayodhya, is it? No need for scientific proof; the fact that millions of Hindus who don't know how to spell science believe that it is science is sufficient. Still no signs of any comprehension of the scientific method.



A rule of thumb: the weaker a discussion, the more the discussant resorts to smileys. It is a substitute for facts, and covers the awkward gaps.

The Army and Air Force have nothing to do with Yoga being, or not being, a science, or based on science. Do not create smoke-screens to disguise your complete lack of arguments. And leave your Bharat-Rakshak whines in Bharat-Rakshak.



If one smiley indicates a weak argument, what is two smileys? Right, it signifies an absence of argument.

Just examine the sentence above.

The point made by Angad_NSA was that



This was patently false, and that is what my answer indicated, that forty years ago, it was well-accepted. It being rejected by them is neither here nor there; that is not what Angad_NSA claimed. Having been contradicted flatly, and with nothing further to say, he pretends that the issue was something else.

Ignorant and a liar, to boot.

look dude, hindus form the majority of people who are invlolved ins science, so your idotic stance of hindus dont have a clue type of argument is idiotic, and by that means there are many other unscientific things that are going on aren't there?? for example why do we use the B.C and A.D year timelines?? because it has ore to do with bible's fairytales than actual scientific evidence, moreover, yoga is a practice invented and USED by sanatan dharmics and their sages/gurus since generations, we don't need a white man's stamp to validate it, white man is no god or supreme entity nor he is impartial (these were the first to compare chimps with blacks and practice slavery, and yeah, remember who killed galileo?? yeah, your dear white men and their church) :) as far as I know, atleast in hinduism different viewpoints have always been allowed as long as they don't offend the religion or any religious entity , the so-called "330 million gods" is only different perspective of different people of BRAHMA-VISHNU-MAHESH (Creator,preserver and destructor) infact buddhism and jainism (and sikhism) are also different perspective of the same religion... that's why you don't see hindus,sikhs,jains or buddhists weilding axes and destroying the homes of kaffirs like muslims or hristians who cannot tolerate any other religious group, because, different perspectives are not allowed and that's where this religion starts interfereing with human rights of both "insider" and "outsider" (kaffirs)

It has nothing to do with hate, I simply don't have the attitude to celebrate every baby step of the development, because that only hides the other side of the problem. I celebrate when there is something to celebrate (IOC, FOC, set up of the first operational squad) and not for PR reasons.
When we look at it with open eyes, we must ask why DRDO, ADA and co needed roughly 2 years (roll out of N-LCA in 2010), to get the same fighter without any changes up in the sky?

LCA+%28Navy%29+rolling+out+%286%29.jpg

Sancho bhai, this news might cheer you up...

LCA 'Tejas' to be inducted in Air Force this year: DRDO chief - The Economic Times

Indigenously developed Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) 'Tejas' will be inducted into the Indian Air Force this year, DRDO chief V K Saraswat has said.

"With 'Tejas' completing almost 1,855 flying hours (flight tests) and all problems it encountered during the initial operational clearance having been solved, it is ready to enter into the final operational clearance phase. With production also having taken off at HAL... we are now at the verge of writing history as far as aeronautics is concerned," he said here. {almost 2000 flights and no failures :)}

"LCA will be inducted this year in the armed forces where our own squadrons of Air Force will be flying this aircraft," he said.

The Defence Research and Development Organisation (DRDO) director general was speaking after inaugurating the 'Aerospace Luminary Lecture Series' organised by Hyderabad chapter of Aeronautical Society of India last night.

Referring to the recent successful maiden flight of the Naval variant of LCA, Saraswat said, "The first flight trial of LCA Navy achieved capability, particularly on take off and landing, from an aircraft carrier. The Naval variant will certainly be a force multiplier for Indian Navy."

The LCA has been conceived and designed by DRDO's Aeronautical Development Agency and manufactured at Bangalore- based Hindustan Aeronautics Ltd (HAL).

Saraswat said April 2012 will go down in the history as a historic month as it saw successful launches of Agni-V, RISAT-I (radar imaging satellite) and first flight trial of LCA Navy.

India today has a potent long-range ballistic missile system, said Saraswat, who is also the Scientific Advisor to Defence Minister.

Nuclear capable Agni-V ballistic missile, with a strike range of over 5,000 km, was successfully test-fired on April 19.
 
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look dude, hindus form the majority of people who are invlolved ins science

So what? That still does not mean that a Hindu arguing on the subject is absolved from knowing the fundamentals of the scientific method. Do you know? That is the issue. Straight and simple. And it has nothing to do with white men or brown men.

so your idotic stance of hindus dont have a clue type of argument is idiotic,

Excellent. Now that you have suggested that I am an idiot, can you, even now, explain what is the scientific method? Or will you, like your predecessor, Angad_NSA, evade the issue?

and by that means there are many other unscientific things that are going on aren't there?? for example why do we use the B.C and A.D year timelines?? because it has ore to do with bible's fairytales than actual scientific evidence,

How is the selection of a calendar year connected with science?

moreover, yoga is a practice invented and USED by sanatan dharmics and their sages/gurus since generations, we don't need a white man's stamp to validate it,

The question was not about validation. The question was about Yoga being a science. Stick to the argument and stop confusing yourself.

white man is no god or supreme entity nor he is impartial (these were the first to compare chimps with blacks and practice slavery, and yeah, remember who killed galileo?? yeah, your dear white men and their church) :) as far as I know, atleast in hinduism different viewpoints have always been allowed as long as they don't offend the religion or any religious entity , the so-called "330 million gods" is only different perspective of different people of BRAHMA-VISHNU-MAHESH (Creator,preserver and destructor) infact buddhism and jainism (and sikhism) are also different perspective of the same religion... that's why you don't see hindus,sikhs,jains or buddhists weilding axes and destroying the homes of kaffirs like muslims or hristians who cannot tolerate any other religious group, because, different perspectives are not allowed and that's where this religion starts interfereing with human rights of both "insider" and "outsider" (kaffirs)

And what does that rigmarole have to do with Yoga being a science?

You either know, or you don't. Adding long, lugubrious sections of the type above does nothing to prove that you know anything about the subject, it merely shows you sidestepping desperately to avoid having to give a precise answer.

At the end of the day, there is a precise, clear definition of what science is, of what the scientific method is. Yoga is a practice, a convention, a collection of philosophical speculations, matters that are not provable (or disprovable). Therefore those are not subject to the tests of science, they are not verifiable by the scientific method, and hence Yoga is not a science.

Check for yourself. Try not to let your super-abundant patriotism get in the way of your intellect.
 
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Looks like a wrong thread got merged with the LCA thread.. :)
 
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Please dont discuss about Yoga, hinduism etc here. THis is LCA thread,:hitwall: . Please take your :flame: outside using your PM.
 
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