HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[DeathInvader]

Wasn't this already posted a while back?

 

[utraash]

Good going... Just waiting for foc ...

 

[thesolar65]

I would like to see the after burners of the engines of Tejas!! i.e fire coming out of it!!

 

[Hindustani78]

Ministry of Defence
17-March, 2015 15:02 IST
Induction of Tejas Fighter Plane in IAF
Subsequent to the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) of Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has handed over the First Series Production (SP1) of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Indian Air Force (IAF) on 17.1.2015.

The requirement of fighter aircraft is periodically reviewed and it is ensured that the operational requirements of the IAF are met. The IAF is in the process of inducting additional Su-30 MKI aircraft apart from Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). An Inter-Governmental Agreement has been signed with Russian Federation for design, development, production etc. of a Prospective Multi Role Fighter Aircraft. The procurement of Medium Multi role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) is also under process.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Rajkumar Dhoot in Rajya Sabha today.

 

[Ind4Ever]

Ministry of Defence
17-March, 2015 15:02 IST
Induction of Tejas Fighter Plane in IAF
Subsequent to the Initial Operational Clearance (IOC) of Light Combat Aircraft (Tejas), Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL) has handed over the First Series Production (SP1) of Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) to the Indian Air Force (IAF) on 17.1.2015.

The requirement of fighter aircraft is periodically reviewed and it is ensured that the operational requirements of the IAF are met. The IAF is in the process of inducting additional Su-30 MKI aircraft apart from Light Combat Aircraft (LCA). An Inter-Governmental Agreement has been signed with Russian Federation for design, development, production etc. of a Prospective Multi Role Fighter Aircraft. The procurement of Medium Multi role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) is also under process.

This information was given by Defence Minister Shri Manohar Parrikar in a written reply to Shri Rajkumar Dhoot in Rajya Sabha today.

More Sukois ? From previously ordered or its additional orders ?

 

[Hindustani78]

More Sukois ? From previously ordered or its additional orders ?

This statement was issued in 2011 by Ministry of Defense.

Further contract for supply of additional 40 SU-30 MKI aircraft was concluded with IAF for completion within 2014-15, along with earlier order of 140 aircraft. Out of the total 180 aircraft, 99 aircraft have been delivered till 2010-11.

 

[Ind4Ever]

This statement was issued in 2011 by Ministry of Defense.

Further contract for supply of additional 40 SU-30 MKI aircraft was concluded with IAF for completion within 2014-15, along with earlier order of 140 aircraft. Out of the total 180 aircraft, 99 aircraft have been delivered till 2010-11.

But this article dates March 17 2015 ?

Got Ur point anyway

 

[GURU DUTT]

Tejas ($ 26 million) vs Upgraded mirage-2000 ($ 45 million) by award winning pilot of Indian Airforce Sqn. Leader (Retd.) Suneeth Krishna ........

1.Even if you spend hundred million dollars per plane the radar range of Mirage-2000 will always be smaller than Tejas mk1 due to bigger radome of Tejas .

2.The thrust to weight ratio of upgraded mirage-2000 will be lower than tejas mk1 (Higher is better) .

3. Both the Instantaneous turn Rate and Sustained Turn rate of 45 million dollar per plane upgraded mirage-2000 will be lower than the 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

4.The wing loading (fighter weight in KG/ wing area in sq meters) of upgraded mirage-2000 will be higher than tejas mk1 (low is good).
[With Above 3 quality Tejas will always have first look , first lock and capability to fire missile first on enemy aircraft ]

5.The frontal clean config RCS of upgraded mirage-2000 will be 3 times higher than tejas mk1, meaning mirage-2000 can be detected by enemy radar much farther away than tejas.

6.The longest range BVR missile to be fired by mirage-2000 will have way lesser range than the proposed Astra for tejas mk1.

7.The 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont be able to fire the deadly visually cued R-73 E HMDS enabled 90 deg high off bore missile, which was fired by 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

8. the 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont have an equal to DRFM based state of the art EW suit of tejas mk1.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 7h7 hours ago
HAL has been told to increase Tejas output to 16 from next year. But they want more MK-I numbers committed.

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 7h7 hours ago
There is now some preliminary discussion on an improved MK-I with certain new systems and easier maintainability.

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 7h7 hours ago
This will keep the HAL line buzzing till 2022 when Mk-2 production is expected to take off.

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 7h7 hours ago
Discussions with the Americans for developing the F-414 into a higher thrust class engine are underway.

Saurav Jha @SJha1618 · 7h7 hours ago
Under DTTI of course. But if the Indian side doesn't get written guarantees the RFP route will be pursued.

 

[rockstarIN]

Tejas ($ 26 million) vs Upgraded mirage-2000 ($ 45 million) by award winning pilot of Indian Airforce Sqn. Leader (Retd.) Suneeth Krishna ........

1.Even if you spend hundred million dollars per plane the radar range of Mirage-2000 will always be smaller than Tejas mk1 due to bigger radome of Tejas .

2.The thrust to weight ratio of upgraded mirage-2000 will be lower than tejas mk1 (Higher is better) .

3. Both the Instantaneous turn Rate and Sustained Turn rate of 45 million dollar per plane upgraded mirage-2000 will be lower than the 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

4.The wing loading (fighter weight in KG/ wing area in sq meters) of upgraded mirage-2000 will be higher than tejas mk1 (low is good).
[With Above 3 quality Tejas will always have first look , first lock and capability to fire missile first on enemy aircraft ]

5.The frontal clean config RCS of upgraded mirage-2000 will be 3 times higher than tejas mk1, meaning mirage-2000 can be detected by enemy radar much farther away than tejas.

6.The longest range BVR missile to be fired by mirage-2000 will have way lesser range than the proposed Astra for tejas mk1.

7.The 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont be able to fire the deadly visually cued R-73 E HMDS enabled 90 deg high off bore missile, which was fired by 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

8. the 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont have an equal to DRFM based state of the art EW suit of tejas mk1.

@sancho

="GURU DUTT, post: 6916587, member: 133902"]Tejas ($ 26 million) vs Upgraded mirage-2000 ($ 45 million) by award winning pilot of Indian Airforce Sqn. Leader (Retd.) Suneeth Krishna ........

1.Even if you spend hundred million dollars per plane the radar range of Mirage-2000 will always be smaller than Tejas mk1 due to bigger radome of Tejas .

Check here.

• Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
  • Dry thrust: 53.9 kN[161] (12,100 lbf)
  • Thrust with afterburner: 89.8 kN (20,200 lbf[162])

• Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA M53-P2 afterburning turbofan
  • Dry thrust: 64.3 kN (14,500 lbf)
  • Thrust with afterburner: 95.1 kN (21,400 lbf)

2.The thrust to weight ratio of upgraded mirage-2000 will be lower than tejas mk1 (Higher is better) .

Doubtful, will be in same range.


6.The longest range BVR missile to be fired by mirage-2000 will have way lesser range than the proposed Astra for tejas mk1.

Miles to go fro Astra to MICA standard, by the time meteor will come.

7.The 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont be able to fire the deadly visually cued R-73 E HMDS enabled 90 deg high off bore missile, which was fired by 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

Top sight +MICA is as good as R-73


+ 3500 k.g more loaded weight in M2000.
+ much more range than LCA.

But I believe MK-2 will be more capabler than M2000

 

[GURU DUTT]

@sancho

="GURU DUTT, post: 6916587, member: 133902"]Tejas ($ 26 million) vs Upgraded mirage-2000 ($ 45 million) by award winning pilot of Indian Airforce Sqn. Leader (Retd.) Suneeth Krishna ........

1.Even if you spend hundred million dollars per plane the radar range of Mirage-2000 will always be smaller than Tejas mk1 due to bigger radome of Tejas .

Check here.

• Powerplant: 1 × F404-GE-IN20 turbofan
  • Dry thrust: 53.9 kN[161] (12,100 lbf)
  • Thrust with afterburner: 89.8 kN (20,200 lbf[162])

• Powerplant: 1 × SNECMA M53-P2 afterburning turbofan
  • Dry thrust: 64.3 kN (14,500 lbf)
  • Thrust with afterburner: 95.1 kN (21,400 lbf)

2.The thrust to weight ratio of upgraded mirage-2000 will be lower than tejas mk1 (Higher is better) .

Doubtful, will be in same range.


6.The longest range BVR missile to be fired by mirage-2000 will have way lesser range than the proposed Astra for tejas mk1.

Miles to go fro Astra to MICA standard, by the time meteor will come.

7.The 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont be able to fire the deadly visually cued R-73 E HMDS enabled 90 deg high off bore missile, which was fired by 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

Top sight +MICA is as good as R-73


+ 3500 k.g more loaded weight in M2000.
+ much more range than LCA.

But I believe MK-2 will be more capabler than M2000

well thanks broi knowall that but they are not my views per say

but anyway i appricate your kind gesture ...thanks again

 

[rockstarIN]

well thanks broi knowall that but they are not my views per say

but anyway i appricate your kind gesture ...thanks again

Even I would like to see the IAF likes LCA more than M2000.

 

[PARIKRAMA]

Anantha Krishnan M ‏@writetake 13h13 hours ago
#PlaneMorning A Tejas stunner captured by @satbasani, one of MoD's talented photo officers in India. @SpokespersonMoD

 

[sancho]

[With Above 3 quality Tejas will always have first look , first lock and capability to fire missile first on enemy aircraft ]

Is this your conclusion or of the sq leader? The higher TWR and lower wingloading might (depends on the final specs of a fully configured LCA MK1 FOC, not some early prototypes without radar, EW or avionics installed) be true, but the higher drag and lower speed will play against the LCA as well.

5.The frontal clean config RCS of upgraded mirage-2000 will be 3 times higher than tejas mk1, meaning mirage-2000 can be detected by enemy radar much farther away than tejas.

Against the older untreated Mirage possibly, but the upgraded one will have a reduced RCS too

.The longest range BVR missile to be fired by mirage-2000 will have way lesser range than the proposed Astra for tejas mk1

Wrong, once because Astra is still not ready and that's why the aim is on inducting Derby, but also because MICA has a range of around 60 to 70 Km, reported from Mirage export customers, French source claim even up to 80Km. So all 3, MICA, Derby and Astra in it's initial versions will fall in pretty much the same range class between 60 and 80Km. However, the real difference is the missile load capability, where an LCA in A2A config can carry 4 BVR missiles + 2 WVR at max, while a Mirage can carry 8 x MICA all BVR and WVR capable. Moreover, the LCA can't carry any BVR missile in strike config, while the Mirage carries 5 to 6 x MICAs in any role.

7.The 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont be able to fire the deadly visually cued R-73 E HMDS enabled 90 deg high off bore missile, which was fired by 26 million dollar per plane tejas.

Complete nonsense! IAF Mirage have reportedly integrated R73s before, but MICA will be far superior to them, with a HOBS capability of up to 90° while R73s have less than half of that.

8. the 45 million dollar per plane upgraded Mirage-2000 still wont have an equal to DRFM based state of the art EW suit of tejas mk1

That depends on what IAF is integrating as part of the EW upgrade, we know that UAE's M2K-9s have that capability for a long time and our upgrade is said to be close to theirs.


LCA was designed and developed as a 4th gen fighter, with the good flight performance in mind that the IAF requires from it's fighters. So it's not really surprising that it has advantages over an older design in some areas, that can only be upgraded to 4th gen standard. But that doesn't make it automatically superior by all means and to compare them mainly on the fly away cost vs the overhaul / upgrade / ToT cost is silly itself. IAF knows very well how important this fighter is, apart of the MKI today and at least till the end of this decade, which makes the upgrade inevitable and completelly unrelated to LCA MK1s development and induction (by 2018).

 

[SpArK]