HAL pegs price of Tejas fighter at Rs 162 crore

[kingdurgaking]

hehehehe...

As I said, you are innocent

Go to wikipedia..and see empty weight for JF-17...it will say something like 6586 etc...now go to the "source"...it will say "PAC website 2007" ...and THAT is what I'm saying to you guys all along.

You guys are seeing the non-existent stats of Prototype 1 from 2007. JF-17 had 8 prototypes before production started in 2009/10 I guess...

JF-17's empty weight is less than 6,500 kg, which is the empty weight of Tejas (latest figure,2012)...

Again, go through threads of JF-17's information pool and participation in airshows where "actual" specifications are stated...unlike wikipedia which is entirely false and makes innocent guys like you confused

Itna kafi hai ya or b education chahiye kch? I'm a senior member with alot more up to date information. Please educate yourself by going through some JF-17 threads first...

A senior member doesnt mean you know the facts.. When JF-17 has reduced weight as of 2007 and HAL has done a cycle to reduce weight for LCA.. doesnt mean something to you?.. you just see one side of the coin.. many Indians here see both sides.. And for your information i am not confused.. i am trying to make you logical and understand something which you are not trying to understand.. which is understood by most of the Pakistan members here and they dont rant like you are doing

 

[Manindra]

hehehehe...

As I said, you are innocent

Go to wikipedia..and see empty weight for JF-17...it will say something like 6586 etc...now go to the "source"...it will say "PAC website 2007" ...and THAT is what I'm saying to you guys all along.

You guys are seeing the non-existent stats of Prototype 1 from 2007. JF-17 had 8 prototypes before production started in 2009/10 I guess...

JF-17's empty weight is less than 6,500 kg, which is the empty weight of Tejas (latest figure,2012)...

Again, go through threads of JF-17's information pool and participation in airshows where "actual" specifications are stated...unlike wikipedia which is entirely false and makes innocent guys like you confused

Itna kafi hai ya or b education chahiye kch? I'm a senior member with alot more up to date information. Please educate yourself by going through some JF-17 threads first...

Educated Senior troll

lol....You don't asses aircraft's performance by your "logic" ...

You go by tests ...hardcore tests...

No company can even thinking of mis-stating the specifications of an aircraft while showing it to the prospective buying nations.

JF-17 Thunder has a combat range of 1352 km and thats a verified fact. How come logic is needed here?

Because in dry thrust RD-93 MK consumes less fuel but what would be in combat ??????

 

[kingdurgaking]

Educated Senior troll



Because in dry thrust RD-93 MK consumes less fuel but what would be in combat ??????

Heee hee .... he assumes he is senior... pathetic apprentice ...

 

[AUz]

A senior member doesnt mean you know the facts.. When JF-17 has reduced weight as of 2007 and HAL has done a cycle to reduce weight for LCA.. doesnt mean something to you?.. you just see one side of the coin.. many Indians here see both sides.. And for your information i am not confused.. i am trying to make you logical and understand something which you are not trying to understand.. which is understood by most of the Pakistan members here and they dont rant like you are doing

Dude, if you take HAL information from 2012...and JF-17 information from 2011 Turkey Air Show..then JF-17 comes out to be a lighter aircraft than Tejas. Almost 100 kg lighter....

Where is the "rant"? Don't be an idiot now.

JF-17's stated combat range is 1352km and Tejas stated combat range is merely 300km...and thats a fact stated by the DEVELOPERS of both fighter aircrafts after testing and more testing.

Why are you crying here? Go argue with HAL....

In essence, if you take latest specifications from "official sources" of both aircraft's manufactures, then;

1- JF-17 Thunder can carry more payload (>4000kg)
2- JF-17 Thunder has 3x more combat radius than Tejas.
3- JF-17 Thunder can fly ~6,000 ft. higher than Tejas' maximum height limit.
4- JF-17 can go far beyond Tejas' maximum range (JF-17's ferry range : 3840 km, Tejas ferry range: 3000km)
5- Speed of both aircrafts is same (MACH 1.8)

Lastly, JF-17 is "deployed" and is "operational" with Pakistan Air Force..while Tejas still have to clear ALOT before it achieves that level.

So as you can see, JF-17 Thunder is clearly leading Tejas by miles. Tejas MK II might close this gap. But as of now, JF-17 project is vastly superior in success and delivery than Tejas.

 

[Mike_Brando]

lol....You don't asses aircraft's performance by your "logic" ...

You go by tests ...hardcore tests...

No company can even thinking of mis-stating the specifications of an aircraft while showing it to the prospective buying nations.

JF-17 Thunder has a combat range of 1352 km and thats a verified fact. How come logic is needed here?

kyun dimaag ki dahi kar raha hain!!ja jake zaid haid ke sath milkar koi plan shan bana evil Bharatis ko destroy karne ka

 

[kaykay]

Dude, if you take HAL information from 2012...and JF-17 information from 2011 Turkey Air Show..then JF-17 comes out to be a lighter aircraft than Tejas. Almost 100 kg lighter....

Where is the "rant"? Don't be an idiot now.

JF-17's stated combat range is 1352km and Tejas stated combat range is merely 300km...and thats a fact stated by the DEVELOPERS of both fighter aircrafts after testing and more testing.

Why are you crying here? Go argue with HAL....

similar weight, similar fuel capacity (lca carries slightly more), similar thrusts of engines and such a vast difference in combat randius. I am sure someone is lying!!!

 

[AUz]

kyun dimaag ki dahi kar raha hain!!ja jake zaid haid ke sath milkar koi plan shan bana evil Bharatis ko destroy karne ka

O.K...ap ja k apni ladies ko toilets dainay ka koi program bnao..since 52% of indian population shit in open..making india, literally, a shithole

similar weight, similar fuel capacity (lca carries slightly more), similar thrusts of engines and such a vast difference in combat randius. I am sure someone is lying!!!

EXACTLY! THAT is why I stated in my FIRST post to CLARIFY this since HAL states these specs, not me.

I even said "There is definitely some catch here" ....

Go read my very first post...

 

[SwAggeR]

Dude, if you take HAL information from 2012...and JF-17 information from 2011 Turkey Air Show..then JF-17 comes out to be a lighter aircraft than Tejas. Almost 100 kg lighter....

Where is the "rant"? Don't be an idiot now.

JF-17's stated combat range is 1352km and Tejas stated combat range is merely 300km...and thats a fact stated by the DEVELOPERS of both fighter aircrafts after testing and more testing.

Why are you crying here? Go argue with HAL....

In essence, if you take latest specifications from "official sources" of both aircraft's manufactures, then;

1- JF-17 Thunder can carry more payload (>4000kg)
2- JF-17 Thunder has 3x more combat radius than Tejas.
3- JF-17 Thunder can fly ~6,000 ft. higher than Tejas' maximum height limit.
4- JF-17 can go far beyond Tejas' maximum range (JF-17's ferry range : 3840 km, Tejas ferry range: 3000km)
5- Speed of both aircrafts is same (MACH 1.8)

Lastly, JF-17 is "deployed" and is "operational" with Pakistan Air Force..while Tejas still have to clear ALOT before it achieves that level.

So as you can see, JF-17 Thunder is clearly leading Tejas by miles. Tejas MK II might close this gap. But as of now, JF-17 project is vastly superior in success and delivery than Tejas.

Why don't you give any link to corroborate your argument regarding Thunder is lighter than Tejas by 100 kg and even if what you argue is true then what makes you think 100 kg is significant difference while Tejas 1 has better engine than Thunder 1.

 

[AUz]

Why don't you give any link to corroborate your argument regarding Thunder is lighter than Tejas by 100 kg and even if what you argue is true then what makes you think 100 kg is significant difference while Tejas 1 has better engine than Thunder 1.

No, Thunder is lighter thingy was only to show the junior dude that he was quoting 2007 stats of Prototype 1 all along and thats why confusing every thing.

Secondly, go ask HAL why they state combat radius to be so low...its not my fault.

 

[SwAggeR]

O.K...ap ja k apni ladies ko toilets dainay ka koi program bnao..since 52% of indian population shit in open..making india, literally, a shithole



...

Even your 46% population of ladies and gents squat under open sky to poop.
So what are you doing about that ??

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[graphican]

Okay LCA being 26 Millions a piece is good but it is going to have consequences for Rafale which stands at 84 millions a piece. MMRCA needs to win a debate for the price and benefits it offers VS Proposed MCA, its cost and its benefits. The only possible point which goes in the favour of Rafale is its delivery time-frame or diversity of hardware. Price wise, it will receive rightful criticism.

 

[SwAggeR]

No, Thunder is lighter thingy was only to show the junior dude that he was quoting 2007 stats of Prototype 1 all along and thats why confusing every thing.

Secondly, go ask HAL why they state combat radius to be so low...its not my fault.

It is for fooling innocent gullibles like you.

 

[Manindra]

Dude, if you take HAL information from 2012...and JF-17 information from 2011 Turkey Air Show..then JF-17 comes out to be a lighter aircraft than Tejas. Almost 100 kg lighter....

Where is the "rant"? Don't be an idiot now.

JF-17's stated combat range is 1352km and Tejas stated combat range is merely 300km...and thats a fact stated by the DEVELOPERS of both fighter aircrafts after testing and more testing.

Why are you crying here? Go argue with HAL....

In essence, if you take latest specifications from "official sources" of both aircraft's manufactures, then;

1- JF-17 Thunder can carry more payload (>4000kg)
2- JF-17 Thunder has 3x more combat radius than Tejas.
3- JF-17 Thunder can fly ~6,000 ft. higher than Tejas' maximum height limit.
4- JF-17 can go far beyond Tejas' maximum range (JF-17's ferry range : 3840 km, Tejas ferry range: 3000km)
5- Speed of both aircrafts is same (MACH 1.8)

Lastly, JF-17 is "deployed" and is "operational" with Pakistan Air Force..while Tejas still have to clear ALOT before it achieves that level.

So as you can see, JF-17 Thunder is clearly leading Tejas by miles. Tejas MK II might close this gap. But as of now, JF-17 project is vastly superior in success and delivery than Tejas.

Where is your source for above claims

 

[AUz]

It is for fooling innocent gullibles like you.

So your HAL is such pathetic organization that it MIS-STATES specifications just for fun?

Too much cow-piss drinking by HAL authorities, eh?

And if it mis-states one spec, how can we trust other specs given by it?

Retarded indians shooting their own foot....

Where is your source for above claims

What claims, dumb?

Specify and I'll give you source

 

[Badbadman]

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Well, in that case, getting ruled by Muslims...for atleast 500 years!...and getting your civilization, temples, and 'gods' destroyed by Muslim invaders..was a bigger humiliation. Also, the fact, that your hindu women were raped day and night by Muslims...and Muslim invaders like Tamerlane have explicitly written that only "hindu-women" were raped and those Hindus who joined Islam and "became our brothers" were treated as "we treat our brothers"

And no, getting "escorted" back to your nation by enemy planes is much, much more humiliating.

That is a retarded thing to say.
So you are accepting on this forum that all of you guys are bastard children of Tamerlane.