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HAL inks MTA follow-on pact with Russia

I have always wondered why press has been unfair to the Gajraj; I became friends with two of the pilots of this aircraft, and they had nothing but praises for this aircraft. Endurance of this aircraft is incredible, I dont know if c130J tops it, but these candid's were often referred to as bharat darshan aircraft by the airforce, they would fly all around the country exhausting the air crew but not the aircraft.
 
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Il-76 will be with us for a long long time... Phalcons are based on them. Plus dont be surprised if Il-76 goes for another MLU to bring them to Il-476 standards.

The Gajrajs have served our country well and it is time they retire. Even if their avionics are upgraded, the aircraft have structurally been exhausted.

I don't think IAF wants another round of Ils now that since it has already orders Hercs and C-17s.

I always loved the Il-76. It is a wonderful aircraft and had the Russians thought of the 476 upgrade a decade ago, we could have bought another two squadrons of these beasts in different (AWACS, tankers, transport etc) configurations.
 
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Please read the article carefully; 205 are the total numbers to be churned out and even if this includes potential exports

That's why I said, 150 orders and no, we won't replace AN 32 with MTA on a 1 on 1 basis. Infact with IAF requesting a licence production of a smaller aircraft to replace the Avros, which then will be in the AN 32 class and by the fact that IAF did't wanted MTA to be that big from the start and had to give in to Russian requirements, it is more likely they they will go for higher numbers of C295s or C27Js.

We must remember that there is no shortage of Russia's former customers and friendly countries.

And that these ex Soviet countries don't buy Russian stuff anymore, because they now have access to western arms as well! That's why they prefer F16s and Gripens over Mig 29SMTs, or even Mig 35, that's why neither Su 35 nor 34 have found a single export customer, that's why Russian civil aircrafts have no success...
The Soviet times are over and so are the times where Russia could sell huge numbers or aircrafts. With China and India now also turning away, because they get self reliant or have other alternatives, the Russian aero industry is in a even bigger mess. Why do you think they are offering us FGFA, MTA and even new helicopter developments? Because that is the only way to keep at least us as a buyer for useful numbers.
Heck, even Russia itself has understood that they have to go new ways and that's why they try to get closer to Europe and form JVs, or even procure European arms instead of developing own once (French LHDs and helicopters, Italian IFVs and even a joint LUH development are on the list).
Not to mention that Russia can't even say they have the cheapest alternatives to western stuff anymore, because that's Chinas selling point now.



Pray tell me how would it benefit us?

The KC-390 is in the same stage as the MTA is. So what is the distinctive advantage you're proposing?

That can be explained in the same manner, because both aircrafts has

- reputated manufacturers and international partners
- several countries that ordered and joined the production line of the aircrafts
- western quality and advanced techs
- higher world wide export chances

All these are fields where India would have benefitted, be it from experienced partners, working with western quality techs and materials, beeing part of a productionline that offers more potential...


The A400M is in a limbo right now. It costs much more than a C-130 and delivers only marginal advantage

Buddy, you obviously have never really compared an A400, AN70 or the C-2 with an C130 class aircraft. The fact that many countries today wants to replace older C130 with aircrafts in this class alone should tell you, that there is a clear advantage!

An A400 class aircraft can do anything a C130 can + it also offers strategic transport capabilities, which makes them useful for heavy and long range transports as well. That means, any airforce that can't afford to procure and operate an IL 76, C17 or have to lease an AN 124 to transport heavier vehicles around the world. will go for such aircrafts now, because they offer the full range of transport capabilities too.

A C130 class aircraft can carry troops and some jeeps, but not trucks, IFVs, self propelled howitzers, or even a helicopter and they offer only short to medium range too.
That's why Russia wants to buy up to 60 AN 70s, why Japan replaces older smaller transport aircrafts with the C2 and why many NATO countries procures the A400. That's even why I want such an aircraft in higher numbers for IAF as well, because 10 to 16 C17 will be not enough and too costly to do a rapid troop movement (Coldstart), which includes vehicles like trucks, IFVs, APCs, tank destroyers, or self propelled howitzers.
 
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And that these ex Soviet countries don't buy Russian stuff anymore, because they now have access to western arms as well! That's why they prefer F16s and Gripens over Mig 29SMTs, or even Mig 35
But they dont have access to Russian arms anymore coz they are part of NATO! Also they dont have any money! Thats why they dont prefer F16 and Gripens, they actually prefer Skoda!
that's why neither Su 35 nor 34 have found a single export customer,
And why F15SE have not found any either? lol
that's why Russian civil aircrafts have no success...
SSJ100 - 246 hard orders + 104 soft
MS21 - 241 hard orders + 39 soft
The Soviet times are over and so are the times where Russia could sell huge numbers or aircrafts. With China and India now also turning away, because they get self reliant or have other alternatives, the Russian aero industry is in a even bigger mess.

Russian Helicopters delivered 262 helicopters in 2011 and currently has a backorder for about 1000 more. Soviet Union produced 400 helicopters in 1986 as all time record in midst of Afghan war.
 
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defence eXpress: India Russia signs follow-on MTA contract

May Be talking something very odd. But there are some symbols that IAF and INAF is keen towards the performance of C-130J-30s. IAF is looking to induct a total of about 20+ C-130J-30s and may be 20+ A-400M too along with 30 C-17s, to fill the need.
 
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SSJ100 - 246 hard orders + 104 soft
MS21 - 241 hard orders + 39 soft

First of all, we are talking about exports, not aircrafts that will be sold to Russian airlines, the you have only half the orders for the SSJ100 and only 50 for the MS 21.
Btw, these are the perfect aircrafts to show that you country has changed, because it had to. Just look at the ammount of even US parts in them and you will understand that's Russia can't afford to be cheap like in the past, if they want to get export deals. The quality must be improved and that is only possible with foreign partners and foreign parts. That's why Russia is opening to the west as I said, but for a Indo - Russian aircraft that has no benefit, since it both countries will be considered as cheap an low quality on the export markets.



Russian Helicopters delivered 262 helicopters in 2011 and currently has a backorder for about 1000 more.

Sounds great, but look at which helicopters will be sold! Mi17, Mi35s and partially Mi 28, so old designs but the newer developments are not selling at all:

Ka 226 - 6 exports
Ka 60 - 0
Ka 52 - 0
Kazan Ansat - 0

I like the Ka92 an would love to see India joining in the development, but for our forces, not because I expect an export record on the same market with Sikorsky X2s, Boeing V22s and Eurocopter X3s.
 
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