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HAL HJT-36 “sitara” back in top-gear

seems like tamil nadu is getting lot of new projects.tejas squadrone at sulur,now hjt 36 at tambaram

Ya south has been neglected for long by IAF !!!
Thats why they are taking corrective measures !!!
I think finally we will have 2squadrons of tejas at sulur as its a really big base !!
And i heard HAL is planning to build a plant at hosur as more projects are causing a mojor space constraints in bangalore !!
Hosur is very near to bangalore and will help speedy building of projects !!!!
 
Ya south has been neglected for long by IAF !!!
Thats why they are taking corrective measures !!!
I think finally we will have 2squadrons of tejas at sulur as its a really big base !!
And i heard HAL is planning to build a plant at hosur as more projects are causing a mojor space constraints in bangalore !!
Hosur is very near to bangalore and will help speedy building of projects !!!!

i wish trivandrum gets a squadron too
 
HJT-36 has already secured an order for 76 aircrafts for the IAF. The Surya Kiran acrobatics team will also gradually shift to the Sitara.The trainer has a full glass cockpit with a layout similar to current generation combat aircraft.

HAL HJT-36 “sitara” back in top-gear | India dreams big

No, I don't think so. Surya Kiran are going for BAE Hawks, orders have been placed to be delivered after last IAF/IN orders have been completed.


21 more Hawks for IAF's Surya Kiran aerobatics display team


The Indian Air Force’s vaunted aerobatics display team, the Surya Kiran Aerobatics Team (SKAT), could soon be enthralling spectators with cutting-edge aircraft. The IAF has initiated the procurement of 21 additional Hawk aircraft, built by Hindustan Aeronautics Limited (HAL), Bangalore. Hawk advanced jet trainers would allow SKAT to fly faster, turn tighter and manoeuvre more spectacularly, than was possible with the vintage Kiran Mark II trainer aircraft that they have flown since 1996.

With the additional Hawk procurement underway, HAL chief, Ashok Nayak told Business Standard that HAL would build another 21 Hawks as soon as it completes the 123 aircraft, ordered by the IAF and the Indian Navy. “The IAF has initiated the follow-on procurement of 21 additional Hawks from BAE Systems. These are mainly for its aerobatics team, but also to replace the couple of Hawks that have been lost in crashes,” says Ashok Nayak, the HAL Chairman. The SKAT, highly regarded despite the old aircraft it performs in, is one of the few aerobatics teams that fly nine aircraft in close formation. To stage its heavy and technically demanding routine of nine-aircraft performances, the SKAT is authorised 18-19 aircraft.
The only other military aerobatics teams that fly nine-aircraft formations are the UK Royal Air Force’s Red Arrows, which also fly the Hawk; and the Snowbirds, from the Royal Canadian Air Force. Other aerobatics teams perform with fewer aircraft. The Thunder Birds (US Air Force), with six aircraft; Blue Angels (US Navy), with six aircraft; the August 1st Aerobatics Team (China’s People’s Liberation Army Air Force, or PLAAF), with six aircraft; and the Patrouille de France (French Air Force), with eight aircraft. The Russian Knights (Russian Air Force) have flown varying numbers of aircraft, but never nine.

For the pilots of SKAT, the transition to Hawks represents a generational shift. Before SKAT was formed with the Kiran Mark II in 1996, another IAF aerobatics team, “The Thunderbolts”, flew the Hawker Hunter fighter. The Thunderbolts, too, performed nine-aircraft routines. Besides the advantages of switching to the Hawk, the withdrawal of the Kiran Mark II from SKAT is driven by another pressing reason: the IAF’s shortage of trainer aircraft. The entire IAF fleet of HPT-32 Deepak basic trainers has been grounded since July 09, after 19 pilots died in 17 Deepak crashes over the years. Today, IAF rookies are herded for their first flying lessons into the relatively complex Kiran Mark I aircraft. For the next stage of intermediate training the IAF requires all the Kiran Mark IIs that it can muster. In the circumstances, maintaining an entire squadron (the SKAT team comprises the IAF’s No 52 squadron) for aerobatics seemed unjustifiable.

But, given SKAT’s glamour quotient, the IAF is keen to get it back in the air. Air Chief Marshal NAK Browne has demanded the team starts performing again in their new Hawks within three years.

Going by HAL’s projections, that seems unachievable. HAL is projected to finish building IAF’s first order of 66 Hawks (contracted in 2004 for Rs 6,600 crore) by mid-2012. Thereafter, 57 more Hawks have to be manufactured for the IAF and the Indian Navy as per a Rs 5,500 crore contract signed last year.

“Next year we will build 13-14 Hawks; and then step up production to 19 Hawks from 2013 onwards. That means 57 Hawks will be delivered by late 2015. Then we can build 21 more Hawks by the end of 2016,” says Nayak.

For the struggling UK aerospace industry, that opens an intriguing prospect: will the IAF insist on building its latest order of 21 Hawks in the UK, arguing a pressing need to get the SKAT performing again? Industry sources say, given the recent budget cuts in the British aerospace industry, this would be a welcome proposal.
 
Ya south has been neglected for long by IAF !!!
Thats why they are taking corrective measures !!!
I think finally we will have 2squadrons of tejas at sulur as its a really big base !!
And i heard HAL is planning to build a plant at hosur as more projects are causing a mojor space constraints in bangalore !!
Hosur is very near to bangalore and will help speedy building of projects !!!!

currently HAL is evaluating hosur or mihan(nagpur)...HAL needs to take decision soon and start rolling out jets fast..
 
No, I don't think so. Surya Kiran are going for BAE Hawks, orders have been placed to be delivered after last IAF/IN orders have been completed.

Isnt that sending the wrong message?
Perhaps the hawks should be a temp assignment and the Sitara should come in.
Aerobatic teams should be as representative of Everything in their country as they can be.
 
Isnt that sending the wrong message?
Perhaps the hawks should be a temp assignment and the Sitara should come in.
Aerobatic teams should be as representative of Everything in their country as they can be.

Well not really, the Hawk is a AJT so will able to perform better aerobatics than the IJT by nature. And I don't think this is an interim measure as the IAF are getting all the trainers they need before Surya Kiran get theirs. The 19 SK will get will be on top of the orders already placed and will only be delivered after IAF/IN order delivery is complete.

Additionally I've heard that after 2020 when all LCA deliveries are complete for IN/IAF the SK are going to seriously consider this as their new platform, making them only the 4th display team in the world to operate front line fighter a/c.
 
HJT-36 has already secured an order for 76 aircrafts for the IAF. The Surya Kiran acrobatics team will also gradually shift to the Sitara.

I was really wondering earlier that why SKAT didn't choose Sitara initially. But this has cleared my doubts. :) Great going!
 
No, I don't think so. Surya Kiran are going for BAE Hawks, orders have been placed to be delivered after last IAF/IN orders have been completed.


21 more Hawks for IAF's Surya Kiran aerobatics display team

Hawks are a temporary fill in. Traditionally SKAT has used HAL made stuff and once Sitara comes in Hawks will move to training even more pilots at a time. We are having 3 different types of fighter jets in line and that too almost 400-500 of them in line in total. Do you really think that Hawks (much more expensive to operate than Sitara obviously) would continue entertaining people when there's a local and cheaper solution available?

HJT-36 would be a great export item too. We just need to start learning to manufacture en masse.
 
Hawks are a temporary fill in. Traditionally SKAT has used HAL made stuff and once Sitara comes in Hawks will move to training even more pilots at a time. We are having 3 different types of fighter jets in line and that too almost 400-500 of them in line in total. Do you really think that Hawks (much more expensive to operate than Sitara obviously) would continue entertaining people when there's a local and cheaper solution available?

HJT-36 would be a great export item too. We just need to start learning to manufacture en masse.

check post #23 (sorry about this btw)
 
i think SKAT is going on the line of US (f-16 and f-18) and Russian (mig-29 and su-27) accrobatic teams who have two different plane plateforms for accrobatics.
Similarly Indian accrobatic teams-- SKT-Hawks, and SKT-Sitara.
 
well sorry for wrong place of posting but i also think just one of our subramanian posted his desire to quit the forum because of bias against us, i too am quitting the forum.( till the post is not deleted) it's only goodbye to indian friends, no need for others to reply.

i got a warning as well so you guys know how pathetic it is to be trying to play a level game in a enemy territory

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i don't see that i insulted someone like the pakis do and get away with it

i hope we all quit and join some impartial forum.
 

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