Gyari sector recovery operation to restart

[Last Hope]

Army and FWO are going to resume their operation at Gyari Sector this month, after the weather permits. The operation was halted November-end 2012 due to extreme weather conditions. A total of 121 bodies has been recovered with 18 yet buried.

General Kiyani (2012):“If we need to dig out this mountain, we will do so to get the bodies”.

 

[alibaz]

Good luck PA.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

No soldier left behind... Best of luck!

 

[MastanKhan]

Army and FWO are going to resume their operation at Gyari Sector this month, after the weather permits. The operation was halted November-end 2012 due to extreme weather conditions. A total of 121 bodies has been recovered with 18 yet buried.

General Kiyani (2012):“If we need to dig out this mountain, we will do so to get the bodies”.

Hi,

I wish that FOOL could rather take care of the LIVING as he wants to take care of the dead. My countrymen are truly pathetic---when it comes to the apathy----you would rather be dead than alive----you would have more sympathizers and welwishers if you were alive.

A nation which is all show---.

 

[blain2]

Hi,

I wish that FOOL could rather take care of the LIVING as he wants to take care of the dead. My countrymen are truly pathetic---when it comes to the apathy----you would rather be dead than alive----you would have more sympathizers and welwishers if you were alive.

A nation which is all show---.

MK, very directly, what is the CoAS to say to the families? Let them die and remain buried? All your cold logic would go out the door if you had been the one who had lost a son or brother in this tragedy. The CoAS was reflecting the feelings of his officers and men after this immense loss so please stop patronizing our people as if they don't know any better.

This is not about "show". Its about bringing closure to the families of those who died and as such not Gen Kiyani's call entirely to leave them under the ice. The Army does leave people be at Siachen but that is because there is no way to dig them out, here the Army has done what it can because it is relatively accessible. I think it was the honourable thing for the Army to do.

 

[Safriz]

Good luck PA-
They have done the impossible..Hope they recover the rest of the bodies soon.

 

[MastanKhan]

MK, very directly, what is the CoAS to say to the families? Let them die and remain buried? All your cold logic would go out the door if you had been the one who lost a son or brother in this tragedy. The CoAS was reflecting the feelings of his officers and men after this immense loss so please stop patronizing our people as if they don't know any better.

This is not about "show". Its about bringing closure to the families of those who died and as such not Gen Kiyani's call entirely to leave them under the ice. The Army does leave people be at Siachen but that is because there is no way to dig them out, here the Army has done what it can because it is relatively accessible. I think it was the honourable thing for the Army to do.

Blain2,

MASJID TO BANA DEE SHAB BHAR MEIN
IMAN KI HARARATALON NAY

 

[blain2]

Blain2,

MASJID TO BANA DEE SHAB BHAR MEIN
IMAN KI HARARATALON NAY

Appreciate the half couplet from Iqbal sahib, but I don't see any hypocrisy or showoff in the case of digging for the Giyari dead. If anything, this effort disproves the claims of apathy in a very clear way.

 

[MastanKhan]

Sir,

Pakistan is in a state of war-----pak military spent over 1/2 a billion dollars just to excavate the dead---. That 1/2 billion could be spent for weapons procurement---.

When I was a kid---my grand parents used to tell a story---" some one was visitng his friend whose parents had died. He saw two large earthen wares pots in the court yard----asked what is in them----the reply was----my parents----. He asked you have not buried them yet---the reply was----this is harvest season----neither do I have the time---nor the resource----once I gather my crop and sell it----I will give them a proper burial ".

What closures do the families of "SHAHEEDS" need----they are gone---they are dead---it is only flesh and bones that is left behind---JASD A KHAKI. Dead bodies have no names----.

It is a typical pakistani thing----a nation is going thru the worst crisis of its lifetime----and you want to dig out the dead from underneath a million tons of snow. Diverting manpower and resources from other important things.

For 1/2 a billion dollars---we could have had 25 JF17's----or 2 submarines----. Kiyani had no right to do what he did----.

I bet you you---if the proposal was put in fron of the familes----do you want your dead bodies----or 25 JF 17's or 2 submarines----I bet you---they would have voted for pakistan.

I have said it many a times---we pakistanis are ALL FOR SHOW---.

Blain2----you have always been wrong at whatever you have assessed on this board regarding pak military----. You are wrong again---pak military has no clue where its priorities lie---.

 

[pak-marine]

Yes please get these men out get them to their loved ones who can bury them as per religious obligations , its a emotional decision to deploy so much man power but its the right thing to do. Get these boys out

 

[Last Hope]

In my honest views, only a dozen bodies are stranded (out of 140). Is it worth the cost? In Islam, leaving behind bodies in such conditions is acceptable infact encouraged. Just pray the Janazah and build a memorial. After the settling in of winter, and snow storms, it will only result in re-digging everything.

The best would be after talking to the families. Yes it is a tragic loss for everyone, the first recovery operation was justified but I do not believe the second recovery operation would be feasible.

 

[Jango]

For 1/2 a billion dollars---we could have had 25 JF17's----or 2 submarines----. Kiyani had no right to do what he did----.

I bet you you---if the proposal was put in fron of the familes----do you want your dead bodies----or 25 JF 17's or 2 submarines----I bet you---they would have voted for pakistan.

I have said it many a times---we pakistanis are ALL FOR SHOW---.

Blain2----you have always been wrong at whatever you have assessed on this board regarding pak military----. You are wrong again---pak military has no clue where its priorities lie---.

Just for the record, procurement budget and miscellaneous budget is separate and with different authorities. So even if this wouldn't have been done, you still wouldn't have seen any JF-17 or a sub.

Secondly, 300 odd men moving there from Skardu and Goma doesn't make much of a difference.

But all in all, I agree that these bodies should be left in peace after consultation with the families. Erect a memorial there and let the Shaheed rest in peace.

 

[blain2]

I agree that these bodies should be left in peace after consultation with the families.

Why the assumption that families have agreed to leave their loved ones where they lay?

The Pakistani government has not spent anything even close to the numbers that are being thrown around here and I am truly amazed at the way people come up with their rationalization. Its not even possibly close to the half a billion dollar number that is being used to make the argument. Just as a comparison, Pakistan spends about one hundred million dollars per year on maintaining the entire Siachen brigade. Are we to assume that this digging effort is costing us 5 times more than the expense of maintaining the entire force on Siachen? We have a manpower of 200-300 troops with equipment at work in Gayari. Nothing more!

As per some, cold logic would call for leaving the dead remain. However as I have mentioned earlier, the decision is not entirely that of the Army higher command's and there is a very significant human/emotional factor at play here. This accident has been unprecedented in the history of the Pakistan Army. Unlike in Siachen where bodies fall into crevices and cannot be recovered, these bodies are lying under a moving rubble of snow and ice and can be accessed given most have been recovered.

I don't really have to push my case. The Army will recover the bodies and get them to their families. I personally think it is the right thing to do.

 

[Safriz]

In my honest views, only a dozen bodies are stranded (out of 140). Is it worth the cost? In Islam, leaving behind bodies in such conditions is acceptable infact encouraged. Just pray the Janazah and build a memorial. After the settling in of winter, and snow storms, it will only result in re-digging everything.

The best would be after talking to the families. Yes it is a tragic loss for everyone, the first recovery operation was justified but I do not believe the second recovery operation would be feasible.

That is for the relatives to decide.
Plus its a glacier which is bound to melt and expose the bodies..
In a landslide it was a different scenario.

 

[A.Rafay]

No body should be left there! I hope the army gets the remaining Shaheeds to their families.