What's new

Guys!!! Is Pakistan in trouble regarding CPEC? Iran offers China

Status
Not open for further replies.

PaklovesTurkiye

SENIOR MEMBER
Joined
Dec 1, 2015
Messages
7,448
Reaction score
10
Country
Pakistan
Location
Pakistan
China mulling trade route with Iran as Pak leadership bickers

National
15 hours ago BY Mian Abrar

  • Iranian president says there’s only 36km difference between Gwadar and Chabahar Port; Iran would provide safer route to Chinese shipments
  • Ahsan Iqbal says Chinese investors might opt for other countries if Pakistan fails to resolve domestic issues
While political parties and provincial governments continue to squabble for a bigger pie of the China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC), China is seriously mulling a new trade route linking Xinjiang province with Iran’s Chabahar Port bypassing Pakistan, Pakistan Today has learnt reliably.

During the recent landmark visit of Chinese President Xi Jinping to Tehran, the two countries agreed to enhance cooperation including in fossil and renewable energy, transportation, railways, ports, industry, commerce and services.

China, along with the United States, Britain, France, Germany and Russia, was among the countries that reached the agreement with Iran in July to curtail its nuclear activities in exchange for ending international sanctions.

Media reports said China has committed an immediate injection of $51 billion into Iran, vowing to enhance bilateral trade to the tone of $600 billion in the next 10 years. This would almost match China’s immediate investment in Pakistan under the ambitious CPEC project.

A well-placed source in the federal government told Pakistan Today that intelligence reports submitted to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif have warned him about the offer made by Iran.

“During the meeting with President Xi Jinping, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani asked his Chinese counterpart to adopt Chabahar Port rather than Gwadar which would be linked to a secure, beneficial trade route including a pipeline linking Iran and China,” the source said.

“The Iranian president said that there was a difference of only 36 kilometres between Gwadar and Chabahar but Iran would provide a route to Chinese shipments that was safer than Pakistan,” the source added.

The source said that the Iranian leadership gave President Xi Jinping a detailed briefing on its offer, detailing various possible routes from China to Chabahar.

“Moreover, Iran offered provide complete national unity and harmony unlike Pakistan where trade route is unsafe and it also lacks national unity,” the source quoted the intelligence reports.

The source said that national harmony and unity are two words very near and dear to the heart of the Chinese government and it is already concerned about the prospects of the CPEC due to instability and the scourge of terrorism that poses a major threat to the economic corridor.

It is pertinent to mention here that political bickering is increasing among the four provinces of Pakistan. Politicians are all trying to get major chunk out of the CPEC funding. Observers and analysts blame mishandling by the federal government for widespread concern over what they call an uneven distribution of resources among the four provinces.

According to the plan, not only has the Punjab government won the trade route, a major chunk of development and energy projects are being established in central Punjab, which have triggered a debate over the route.

“The Chinese government is largely concerned over the handling of the CPEC. They are unhappy over the fact that the federal and Punjab governments are only interested in energy projects, which the Sharif family wants to be completed before time. But no focus is being laid over the route construction and evolving harmony and unity over the trade route,” the source said.

The source added that China had already completed its part of the trade corridor but Pakistani government was way behind vis-à-vis completion of trade route on its side of the border.

The source said even the military leadership was also unhappy with the handling of the CPEC by the federal government.

“Everything in CPEC is being handled by the close relatives of the prime minister. Even federal ministers are kept out of the loop,” the source said, adding that it was a major reason that while the chief ministers of Khyber Pakhtunkhwa and Sindh were asking for more shares, none of the federal ministers known for their strong loyalty to Sharifs come forward to defend the CPEC.

When contacted, Planning and Development Minister Ahsan Iqbal said that Iran had already shared its plans for establishing its own corridor with China.

“Yes, they are working on it. In his recent visit to Islamabad, Iranian Foreign Minister Javad Zarif had also informed Pakistan about his government’s plans to develop a trade corridor linking Iran and China,” he added.

Iqbal said it was a world of competition and every country has the right to vie for its own advantages.

Asked whether the government feels threatened by the growing interest of China in the Iranian corridor, Ahsan Iqbal said that Pakistan does not feel threatened by Chabahar Port.

“Look, Gwadar provides the best solution to trade ambitions of China. But we have to resolve our problems very fast. Our politicians need to understand that if we keep fighting on shares, entire Pakistan can lose the benefits of CPEC,” he added.

Asked whether there were any chances that China might scrap CPEC for Chabahar, Ahsan Iqbal said China was a time-tested friend and it would never leave Pakistan in the lurch.

“The Chinese government would never leave Pakistan. But if we don’t resolve our differences, Chinese investors might opt for other countries rather than investing in Pakistan,” he added.

Tong Liang, a Chinese journalist based in Islamabad and covering the CPEC, was also of the opinion that there is no alternative to CPEC for Chinese government.

‎”Without any claim of authority as representing a Chinese official, I believe that no alternative of CPEC can be found. CPEC is not a transit corridor that can be replaced by any route that reaches the sea, it is an economic corridor that aims at boosting Pakistan’s development as a modern and industrialised country,” Tong said.

http://www.pakistantoday.com.pk/201...de-route-with-iran-as-pak-leadership-bickers/

All Pakistani members and Chinese members!!! Your thoughts on this??? Not trying to influence any of your say but in my opinion, Iran can never be true friend of Pakistan...if others can tag some senior members on this thread, it would be very kind of them so that we can have their opinion on this
 
.
No.

China has a direct land border to Pakistan. We don't have a direct land border with Iran.

CPEC has already been started, Gwadar has already been started. It's a done deal.

A well-placed source in the federal government told Pakistan Today that intelligence reports submitted to Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif have warned him about the offer made by Iran.

“During the meeting with President Xi Jinping, Iranian President Hassan Rouhani asked his Chinese counterpart to adopt Chabahar Port rather than Gwadar which would be linked to a secure, beneficial trade route including a pipeline linking Iran and China,” the source said.

This seems like bad journalism.

Maybe this "well-placed source in the federal government" can explain how this can work when China and Iran don't even share a land border.
 
. .
No.

China has a direct land border to Pakistan. We don't have a direct land border with Iran.

CPEC has already been started, Gwadar has already been started. It's a done deal.



This seems like bad journalism.

Maybe this "well-placed source in the federal government" can explain how this can work when China and Iran don't even share a land border.
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ee-to-expand-trade-to-600-billion-in-a-decade


money talks. China stands to gain a lot more with Iran than Pakistan.
 
. .
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...ee-to-expand-trade-to-600-billion-in-a-decade


money talks. China stands to gain a lot more with Iran than Pakistan.

Political parties of Pakistan have no objection on CPEC. Everyone knows how important it is for Pakistan and China. Some issues emerged but also got settled. Western corridor is being constructed too.

I don't have any problem with China Iran trade but the behavior of Iran is disgusting. They are jealous of Gwadar port from start. I have no doubt about it now.
 
.
This seems like bad journalism.

Maybe this "well-placed source in the federal government" can explain how this can work when China and Iran don't even share a land border

obviously the route will have to go through multiple countries, but I wouldn't see this as a negative. this means China can built inroads into these countries!! economically and politically.

t87y4o.png
 
.
No.

China has a direct land border to Pakistan. We don't have a direct land border with Iran.

CPEC has already been started, Gwadar has already been started. It's a done deal.



This seems like bad journalism.

Maybe this "well-placed source in the federal government" can explain how this can work when China and Iran don't even share a land border.

Thanks for your input, sir.
 
.
[




obviously the route will have to go through multiple countries, but I wouldn't see this as a negative. this means China can built inroads into these countries!! economically and politically.

t87y4o.png
more countries more troubles- more expense- long road -

can't we say hello to Isreal ????
and what will we achieve? -
 
.
Just propaganda news, looks like some foriegn propaganda installments have been recieved.
CPEC will be completed no matter the cost, it is the next Landmark project of Pakistan after Nuclear tests as this is the integration of Pakistan economically with the next Hyper power, and its not just roads its the kickstart Pakistan industry needs to become the Asian tiger as it was supposed to so before 80's
 
.
No.

China has a direct land border to Pakistan. We don't have a direct land border with Iran.

CPEC has already been started, Gwadar has already been started. It's a done deal.



This seems like bad journalism.

Maybe this "well-placed source in the federal government" can explain how this can work when China and Iran don't even share a land border.

True, China don't have a direct land route to Iran.

the advantages are

1. Direct access to enegy fields of Iran,rather than shipping oil from Iran,Oman to Gwadar, then from Gwadar to China.

2. Iran route would also make Central Asian states connect with Persian Gulf.

3. Iran and Central states have less problem of insurrgency.

4. From Indian point of view,it's a win win situation with China.China Iran route can be superimposed North South Corridor from Mumbai to Moscow for economy of scale.

China is a bigger economy,it would want more routes for energy flows.It can also afford both parallel routes.

What we need is a regional framework between among states for integration in the regions of Central,West and South Asia. In this integration China can play a major role.
 
.
obviously the route will have to go through multiple countries, but I wouldn't see this as a negative. this means China can built inroads into these countries!! economically and politically.

t87y4o.png

I don't think so. China will not alienate Pakistan. CPEC just started, and it will have some time to convince all parties, which should be in the mind of planners to begin with.
 
.
obviously the route will have to go through multiple countries, but I wouldn't see this as a negative. this means China can built inroads into these countries!! economically and politically.

t87y4o.png

Well thats a real wild stretch of imagination and defies what we call common sense and logic.
The proposed route wont only increase the distance three times but the transportation costs as well and isnt safe any more than Pakistan.

Besides its not only about money always China wants a stable and prosperous Pakistan to keep India in check which wont be possible with Iran as she shares cozy relation with India.

Any turbulence(whether political or militancy) can at max delay it by a year or two but all stakeholders know thats the only way out for both China and Pakistan.

Btw the more countries you involve the more trouble you are asking for while China-Pak corridor gets China in one go straight into Arabia sea though I personally strongly support China should help Iran in building Chabahar instead of India and Pakistan and Iran should link these ports by train and ferry service.
 
.
more countries more troubles- more expense- long road -


and what will we achieve? -
risk vs reward.

i would say either route is a risky venture.

but I think with Iran backing China would get things done more quickly and without the political distractions they would get with Pakistan.
 
.
obviously the route will have to go through multiple countries, but I wouldn't see this as a negative. this means China can built inroads into these countries!! economically and politically.

t87y4o.png

Why such a detour ? why not a road through pak ?
 
.
Status
Not open for further replies.

Country Latest Posts

Back
Top Bottom