Gun fires out side British Parliment multiple casulaties.

[BHarwana]

London attacker's real name Adrian Elms info has been released.

http://www.afr.com/news/world/londo...d-thought-radicalised-in-jail-20170324-gv5qti

 

[flamer84]

I feel sorry for the British Muslims over there who will probably be harassed, I think islamophobia will reach to dangerous level because of all the incident.

Idiot.....you're dishounoring the dead with your ramblings.

 

[bigly]

His wife's name is Farzana Malik.....
He adopted Islam after marrying her.

 

[Fledgingwings]

No Guns.A man in car tried to run the public down on high speed

 

[waz]

His wife's name is Farzana Malik.....
He adopted Islam after marrying her.

He married her in 2004. He became Muslim three years prior, during his stint in prison. What's his wife got to do with it? They often never tell their spouse.

 

[bigly]

He married her in 2004. He became Muslim three years prior, during his stint in prison. What's his wife got to do with it? They often never tell their spouse.

Actually the time of his conversion is a bit vague , but some newspapers are mentioning after marriage and during stint in SA.
He had a troubled life , single mom , wrong side of the law on numerous occassions, violent behaviour . Now mix extreme religious beliefs and you have a potent mixture.
Also uk had hundreds of muslims going to syria to join isis. Something definitely not ok with integeration in uk.

 

[waz]

Actually the time of his conversion is a bit vague , but some newspapers are mentioning after marriage and during stint in SA.
He had a troubled life , single mom , wrong side of the law on numerous occassions, violent behaviour . Now mix extreme religious beliefs and you have a potent mixture.
Also uk had hundreds of muslims going to syria to join isis. Something definitely not ok with integeration in uk.

No it's not vauge. He embraced the faith before his marriage, which was quite late. I agree his life, especially his brushes with the law did make him ripe for extremist moulding.
The UK has had Muslims travel to Syria but as a per capita basis it is the lowest in Europe. But this is still a cause for concern.

 

[coffee_cup]

The IRA is a Marxist organisation. Pro abortion, pro gay marriage, pro sex education and not religious in the slightest.
Of course blaming all Muslims is wrong but it does definitely have something to do with a Salafist form of Islam. Muslim governments are probably better than our own at dealing with this sort of thing as they can torture the bastards.

I have said it multiple times that USA/UK (i.e. CIA, MI6 etc) must revise their policies of supporting and arming these fanatic terrorists. At some point in time they are going to turn their guns on their creators. As we have seen in case of "Mujahideen" (later OBL's Al-Qaeda) or current ISIS, which is the same group of people supported by the West to fight against Asad.

Or those currently living a lavish life in London but wanted in multiple countries for their crimes against humanity (Altaf Hussain and many more terrorist).

There are no good terrorists and bad terrorists, they are just TERRORISTS!!!

 

[terry5]

Devil bastard
Killing innocent people
All who kill innocents are devils whoever they are

 

[wak ka nazayaz baap]

No it's not vauge. He embraced the faith before his marriage, which was quite late. I agree his life, especially his brushes with the law did make him ripe for extremist moulding.
The UK has had Muslims travel to Syria but as a per capita basis it is the lowest in Europe. But this is still a cause for concern.

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

Khalid Masood, from school boy to killer

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-393778...social&ns_campaign=bbcnews&ns_source=facebook

 

[Solomon2]

Devil bastard
Killing innocent people
All who kill innocents are devils whoever they are

Latest ET editorial claims the "larger issue" are "grievances" that the British gov't and non-Muslim communities have to address.

The only flaw in Britain's Muslim community is that it " has not focused on its progress and has lagged behind as a consequence. " Khalid Masood's feelings were thus neither invalid nor point to any moral or ethical flaw in what he was taught.

 

[Khafee]

Mental illness is not the sole reason for extremism
Alan Philps
March 30, 2017


When a man with a history of violent assaults stabs a policeman in London, is this terrorism or the act of an unstable or psychotic individual? This has been much debated in United Kingdom after a Khalid Masood, a British-born convert to Islam, drove his rented car into pedestrians on Westminster Bridge and then stabbed a policeman guarding the Houses of Parliament.

A week after the attack, investigations by the security services and the media have failed to uncover anything in Masood’s chaotic life story which would justify a political motive to his killing spree beyond a deep-seated anger against society.

Almost certainly he was inspired by the calls from ISIL for isolated individuals to use whatever weapons came to hand – a knife or a car – to wreak havoc. Perhaps he was in touch with an ISIL-connected recruiter. But was he a terrorist with a cause, or a pathetic dupe?

The United Kingdom’s Terrorism Act defines a terrorist act as the use or threat of violence "for the purpose of advancing a political, religious, racial or ideological cause". The contrast with Irish nationalism, responsible for many acts of terror in Britain, is instructive. The cause was a united Ireland. Even when the victims blown up were innocent civilians, even children, there was no doubt in the minds of Irish nationalists that this was a political cause, even if the boundaries of "acceptable" violence were often spectacularly breached.

Similarly with the Palestinians: during the Second Intifada in the 2000s, families publicly celebrated the death of suicide bombers – whatever their private grief – as soldiers of the cause, at least until it became clear that that form of struggle could never succeed.

An insight into Masood’s lack of political education comes from Farasat Latif, director of a language school in Luton where Masood worked. He recalls his employee’s confrontations with the radical Islamist militants from Al Muhajiroun, who used to picket the local Islamic Centre.

"Khalid was a middle-aged, middle-class, intelligent black man and these were young, highly unintelligent young Asians. There was no common ground between them. He was apolitical, they were politicised."

Such details and a sense of proportion tend to be forgotten in the scramble of 24-hour news coverage. There are some red faces – to use a tabloid expression – among the journalists who reported from inside parliament as if they were at Stalingrad facing the might of the Wehrmacht, rather than a lone man with a knife who had no chance of gaining access to the heavily guarded building.

In the rush to fill the airwaves, it was often forgotten that in June last year an MP, Jo Cox, was shot and stabbed to death by a white "loner" who followed American and South African far-right and neo-Nazi publications.

The case was treated by the media as a tragic one-off, not an act of terrorism, even though he had shouted "This is for Britain" while killing the MP, a prominent pro-European campaigner.

There is a clear double standard here – if the perpetrator has a Muslim name, it will be assumed to be terrorism. And if no clear political goal can be found, conspiracy theorists will fill the void by accusing the police of a cover-up to avoid fuelling racial tensions. In fact, the cases where psychosis, not a political or religious cause, are to blame are many. Zakariya Bulhan, a teenager of Somali heritage, stabbed six people in a frenzied rampage in London last year.

A paranoid schizophrenic, he was later confined to a mental hospital indefinitely. At his trial the judge said: "These were crimes which caused enormous public concern because it was feared initially they might be the work of a terrorist fanatic. As it turned out they were not."

The Iranian-German Ali David Sonboly shot dead nine people at a Munich shopping mall. Far from being an Islamist, Sonboly was an admirer of the Norwegian right-wing terrorist and white supremacist Anders Breivik. Sonboly delighted in sharing a birthday with Hitler and his motivation seemed to be revenge against Arab and Turkish boys who bullied him at school.

Not every violent jihadist is mentally unstable. The men who attacked the Bataclan in Paris in 2015 knew what they were doing and were well prepared. But they belonged to the "Islam for Dummies" generation, those who have lost their religion and Arabic culture in Europe, and are drawn to a simplified, cartoonish form of Salafism which validates killing and misogyny.

That still does not mean they have a cause, beyond personal redemption in a death cult.

The French researcher Olivier Roy speaks of the "Islamisation of radicalism". He has said: "They became disaffected first, and then chose Islamism as the narrative of their radicalism." They have no plan for after the attack and do not believe that they can change society. Their only project is a fiesta of death. They are in fact nihilists – they see nothing in society worth saving.

This absence of a cause or broader purpose is filled by the media, which tends to build up these lost souls into monsters whom other confused individuals will see as heroes in death, even if they were thugs and petty criminals in life.

For public opinion, the impression is given that the Islamic world is teeming with such characters as Khalid Masood. In fact, they are the tiniest minority.

The security forces are obliged to mount huge operations whenever there is a suspicion of a terrorist act. The shadow of the coordinated suicide attacks in 2005 on the London transport system during rush hour still hangs over the city. But when magnified by breathless media coverage, the 82-second attack last week begins to seem as significant as the 2005 bombings.

As the lecturer and author Kenan Malik has written, by giving exaggerated weight to the attack, the police and media "will provide the ‘statement’ that terrorists crave". And the terrorists actually have nothing to say.

Alan Philps is a commentator on global affairs

On Twitter @aphilps


https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/mental-illness-is-not-the-sole-reason-for-extremism.486656/

 

[Taygibay]

Khalid Masood's feelings were thus neither invalid nor point to any moral or ethical flaw in what he was taught.

His feelings maybe not but his actions did point to moral flaws.

Unless you condone the killing of innocents, of course!

Strange out, Tay.