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Texas Republican leaders’ response to the mass shooting: more guns in schools, arming teachers​

Last year Governor Greg Abbott signed into law several measures making it easier to own and carry guns in the state

Sat 28 May 2022 04.00 ED

In response to the latest mass school shooting in the US in which a gunman killed 19 children and two adults at Robb elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, Republican politicians have fended off calls for gun control with proposals such as arming teachers and increasing police presence and security at schools.

But many American teachers have heavily criticized these proposals as solutions that wouldn’t work and as distractions from actual solutions that conflict with the interests of gun lobbyists and manufacturers, who significantly fund and support Republicans.

“If they cared at all, something would have been done. It would have been done after Columbine,” said Jim Gard, a high school math teacher in Broward county, Florida, who survived the 2018 Parkland school shooting. “Until they start caring more about people’s lives than worrying about their donations and their own careers and their own power, this will never end. They’ll have another one, next week, next month, whatever it is – this is going to continue, and it’ll never stop until they decide to put an end to it.”

Many teachers doubt the Republican proposals would work.

“There have been armed teachers and armed security in schools since Columbine and not once has it made a difference,” said Elizabeth Boyd Graham, a high school teacher in Houston, Texas. “If more guns made it safer, we’d be the safest country in the world, and we’re not. The states with the weakest gun laws have the highest amount of gun violence.”

The idea of arming teachers has been proposedafter previous mass shootings. Several states already permit teachers or other school employees with concealed carry permits to carry firearms on school grounds.
Rose Malani Ott, a teacher in Ohio for 30 years, said she has been distraught over the Uvalde shooting. Her school has had active shooter drills, one secure entrance, visitors who have to be buzzed into the school, and a heavy police presence, and she argued these proposals put more responsibility and pressure on teachers who already deal with so much.

“I am so sick of people who don’t know anything about schools blaming teachers for everything,” said Malani Ott. “Teachers were thrown under the bus for Covid and are putting their lives on the line every day to protect our kids. We are tired of the lack of support from management, government officials and the public.”
I went to college to become a teacher, not a law enforcement officer
A 2019 survey of more than 2,900 teachers around the US conducted by a researcher at California State University, Northridge, found 95.3% believed teachers should not be carrying guns in the classroom.

“I went to college to become a teacher, not a law enforcement officer,” said Jourden Armstrong, a teacher for 15 years in Michigan. “Commonsense gun reform is an absolutely necessary component to curbing this uniquely American problem.”

She also argued teachers would leave the profession in droves if these policy proposals were enacted. There was already a shortage of teachers around the US and the Covid-19 pandemic worsened the problem.

“I’m scared, my kids are scared, and I’m ready to walk away from a job I love because I feel absolutely powerless,” Armstrong said. “Powerless to protect myself, powerless to protect my students, and powerless to blood money that our legislators continue to accept because they put profit over people.”

The National Education Association, the largest labor union in the US representing about 3 million members, criticized the proposal of arming teachers as a solution to mass shootings in schools.

“Bringing more guns into schools makes schools more dangerous and does nothing to shield our students and educators from gun violence. We need fewer guns in schools, not more. Teachers should be teaching, not acting as armed security guards,” said Becky Pringle, president of the National Education Association and a middle school science teacher with 31 years of experience.

Paul Miglin, a teacher in Houston, Texas, who works with students from kindergarten through eighth grade, expressed horror at news of the mass shooting in Uvalde, Texas, but argued that the lack of action and response after the Sandy Hook shooting in 2012 demonstrated that elected officials were not going to take action on this issue.

Arming teachers “won’t make us safer,” Miglin said. “And any teacher who would shoot a student and be eager to be armed in school, honestly that’s not someone I believe should be working in a school at all.”
Several teachers who spoke to the Guardian requested to remain anonymous for fear of retaliation.

“Armed police in body armor waited around for a solid hour for more heavily armed police in heavier body armor. Why should I need to be more ready to fire on an assailant than they were?” said a teacher in Clark county, Nevada.

Another teacher in Houston emphasized that public education, especially in Texas, is already severely underfunded and teachers are forced to work with a severe lack of resources.

In a 2021 report conducted by the Southern Poverty Law Center, Texas ranked 40th out of 50 states and Washington DC in public education funding, spending $11,987 for each student annually, more than $3,000 less than the national average of $15,114.

The Houston teacher said his school doesn’t have a nurse or a librarian, teachers can’t get reimbursed for buying school supplies out of their own pocket, and his principal couldn’t even get funding from the district for a pizza party.

“We are tragically underfunded in most regards. I don’t have textbooks for my subject and magically now there can be funding for guns,” the teacher said. “When the Santa Fe shooting happened, I told trusted friends that if the school gave me a gun, I would sell it and buy a color printer for my classroom.”

 
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Arming teachers – an effective security measure or a false sense of security?

Published: May 27, 2022 6.00pm EDT

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Even trained police officers often miss their target during gunfights. RichLegg / Getty Images

In the wake of the mass shooting at Robb Elementary School in Uvalde, Texas, some elected officials are making calls anew for teachers to be armed and trained to use firearms to protect the nation’s schools. To shine light on the matter, The Conversation reached out to Aimee Huff and Michelle Barnhart, two Oregon State University scholars who have studied the ins and outs of putting guns in the hands of the nation’s teachers as a way to protect students.

1. What does the public think about arming teachers?

According to a 2021 poll, 43% of Americans supported policies that allow school personnel to carry guns in schools.

But if you take a closer look, you see that most of that support comes from Republicans and gun-owners. For instance, 66% of Republican respondents expressed support for such policies, versus just 24% of Democratic respondents. And 63% of gun owners supported allowing school personnel to carry guns, versus just 33% of non-gun owners.

The majority of teachers, parents and students oppose allowing teachers to carry guns.

The largest teachers unions, including the National Education Association, also oppose arming teachers, arguing that bringing more guns into schools “makes schools more dangerous and does nothing to shield our students and educators from gun violence.”

These teachers unions advocate a preventive approach that includes more gun regulations.

While the public is justifiably concerned with eliminating school shootings, there is disagreement over the policies and actions that would be most effective. A 2021 study found that 70% of Americans supported the idea of armed school resource officers and law enforcement in schools, but only 41% supported the idea of training teachers to carry guns in schools.

In our research on how Americans think about the rights and responsibilities related to armed self-defense, we even find disagreement among conservative gun owners over how to best protect schoolchildren. Some advocate arming teachers, while other gun owners believe guns in schools ultimately make children less safe. These conservative opponents of arming teachers instead support fortifying the building’s design and features.

After the massacre in Uvalde, we are seeing renewed calls from politicians to arm teachers and provide them with specialized training.

However, amid conflicting reports about whether police officers engaged the Robb Elementary School shooter, there are renewed questions about whether armed teachers would make a difference. Police have acknowledged they didn’t enter the school even as kids frantically dialed 911.

Given that there were also armed officers present at the Columbine and Parkland school massacres in 1999 and 2018, respectively, the public is understandably right to wonder whether armed teachers can effectively neutralize a shooter. Amid reports that trained and experienced police officers may have been unable or unwilling to intervene against the Uvalde shooter, it’s not clear whether teachers would be, either.

2. What are the potential drawbacks of arming teachers?

Arming teachers introduces risks to students and staff, as well as school districts themselves. These include the risk of teachers accidentally shooting themselves or students and fellow staff. There are also moral and legal risks associated with improper or inaccurate defensive use of a firearm - even for teachers who have undertaken specialized firearms training.

One study found that highly trained police in gunfights hit their target only 18% of the time. Even if teachers, who would likely have less training, achieve the same accuracy, four or five of every six bullets fired by a teacher would hit something or someone other than the shooter. Further, a teacher responding with force to a shooter may be mistaken for the perpetrator by law enforcement or by armed colleagues.

Introducing guns to the school environment also poses everyday risks. Armed teachers may unintentionally discharge their firearm. For instance, an armed police officer accidentally discharged his weapon in his office at a school in Alexandria, Virginia in 2018. Guns can also fall into the wrong hands. Research on shootings that took place in hospital emergency rooms found that in 23% of the cases, the weapon used was a gun the perpetrator took from a hospital security guard.

Students could also access firearms that are improperly stored or mishandled. Improper storage is a common problem among American gun owners. In a school setting, this has resulted in students finding a teacher’s misplaced firearm, sometimes taking it or reporting it to another school official. News reports show that guns carried into schools have fallen out of teachers’ clothing, and have been left in bathrooms and locker rooms. There have also been reports of students stealing guns from teachers.

Insurance companies also see concealed guns on school grounds as creating a heightened liability risk.

Other drawbacks to arming teachers involve the learning environment. In particular, owing to structural racism and discriminatory school security policies, Black high school students are less supportive than white students of arming teachers – 16% versus 26% – and report feeling less safe if teachers are carrying firearms.

3. What are the arguments for arming teachers?

Proponents emphasize that teachers, as Americans, have a right to use firearms to defend themselves against violent crime, including a school shooter. Our research shows that some people interpret their right to armed self-defense as a moral obligation, and argue that teachers have both a right and a responsibility to use firearms to protect themselves and their students.

Parents who regularly carry handguns to protect themselves and their children may take comfort knowing that their child’s teacher could perform the role of protector at school.

In a school shooting, where lives can be saved or ended in a matter of seconds, some people may feel more secure believing a shooter would immediately meet armed resistance from a teacher without needing to wait for an armed school officer to respond.

4. Have any school districts allowed teachers to arm themselves?

Yes. Teachers may carry guns at school in districts in at least 19 states. The idea surfaced as a viable policy after the 1999 Columbine shooting, and gained momentum after the 2018 Parkland shooting.

The number of school districts that permit teachers to be armed is difficult to ascertain. Policies vary across states. New York bars school districts from allowing teachers to carry guns, while Missouri and Montana authorize teachers to carry firearms.

5. What were the results?

There are documented incidents of school staff using their firearm to neutralize a shooter. However, researchers have not found evidence that arming teachers increases school safety. Rather, arming teachers may contribute to a false sense of security for teachers, students and the community.

 
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American society is highly radicalized, racial hatred is waving among majority. The country is built on blood of Native and hence full of hatred, what else could we expect?! COVFEFE

Have you guys forgot that Epstein was a product of this society? When he wanted to spill the beans and tell the truth about American elites, Bill Gates etc, he got assassinated. USA has turned into a shithole that hosts corrupts, degenerates and killers. This burden of hatred and darkness gave a re-birth chance to a cancer like Israel. USA the womb of Satan/Iblis.

Most importantly USA and ita elites are afraid of truth hence countless of cases similar to Assange, whistleblowers and the likes.
 
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Five People Dead, Including Gunman At Tulsa Hospital Shooting​

Jun 2, 2022 Officials detailed a timeline of police response to the shooting at St. Francis Hospital in Tulsa, Okla. Five people are dead including the gunman who died of a self inflicted gunshot.

 
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Schools and hosptials... they really know where to choose to kill.. some Americans here laugh at China that many Chinese schools have barbwires, because unlike US, we care about our young.
 
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THIS IS NOT TERRORISM, people ! ITS A SHOOTING !

The gunman wasn't a Terrorist, he was merely 'A Shooter'.

The terms 'Terrorism' & 'Terrorist' are ONLY reserved for Islam and Muslims.

-courtesy of the NRA

This is the Press Conference of the Head Coach of the Golden State Warriors (NBA) - Steve Kerr after last weeks incident in South Texas.

 
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