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Im at times serious and times not so serious, the reality is that our arab friend here tried to project something very different from the reality and a good example is post no. #51 where wrong facts, wrong numbers and alltogether a very different reality was written. This is already the basis for not so serious discussions because when someone tries to project lies trough and trough to make himself look better- even tho nothing from it is a truth then this becomes problematic, there are people who would have believed him, if I didnt refute his questionable claims for example and if he was still here, he would probably start to go on a rampage in this thread :D
I just advise you that we are observing everyone and I am very much concerned that why Arab posters have declined so much. Given that, if I found any one making anti Arab lobbies to push specific agenda then we are going to take strong actions against those posters. Make sure to built such environment that is breathable for Arab posters as well, those who are sane and serious.
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I just advise you that we are observing everyone and I am very much concerned that why Arab posters have declined so much. Given that, if I found any one making anti Arab lobbies to push specific agenda then we are going to take strong actions against those posters. Make sure to built such environment that is breathable for Arab posters as well, those who are sane and serious.
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Oh how I wish this was implemented before we lost Commander @Khafee
 
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I just advise you that we are observing everyone and I am very much concerned that why Arab posters have declined so much. Given that, if I found any one making anti Arab lobbies to push specific agenda then we are going to take strong actions against those posters. Make sure to built such environment that is breathable for Arab posters as well, those who are sane and serious.
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If posting news articles about critical aspects of gulf economies, their economic crisis and their troubles is a "specific agenda" then I dont know :D Either u tolerate freedom of speech or u dont and if the articles which are being published about the realities in the gulf, which display their failues and their miscalculations are hurting the feelings of the arab members or observers here then this is just the way it is. They will have to thicken their skin like everyone else does because in the long term their funds will drie up and they wont be able to buy themselfs out of critical articles and like we Turks, Chinese, Americans or Russians are dealing with critical toughts and articles the gulf people will have to adapt themself into such an enviroment as well.

Or u will say "fck it", we are going to shit on freedom of expression and no longer tolerate critical articles about gulf economies but this in turn would indicate that u (PDF) might be fully well on the gulfs payroll :D

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Saudi Arabia is launching an oil price war. That’s risky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ia-is-launching-an-oil-price-war-thats-risky/

UAE stocks remain stuck in red

Investor sentiments further undermined by flight cancellations

Published: March 23, 2020 16:27Sarah Diaa, Staff Reporter

Dubai: Stock markets in the UAE remain stuck in a downward spiral after authorities announced a suspension of passenger flights for two weeks to limit the spread of the coronavirus.

“COVID-19 is freezing up the economy - we are dependent on oil for government revenues and on tourism,” said Charles-Henry Monchau, chief investment officer at Al Mal Capital. Obviously, both are currently acting as massive headwinds.

“Tourism is almost down to zero, there are no flights, so spending is going to suffer. As for the oil price crash, there’s potential for even more downside.”

Squeezed on all sides
The Dubai Financial Market (DFM) index dropped by 3.8 per cent to close at 1,714, bringing its year-to-date loss to nearly 40 per cent. Most stocks slumped, with Dubai Islamic Bank and Emirates NBD down 3.15 per cent and 4.95 per cent, respectively.


Emaar declined by 4.7 per cent as Emaar Malls fell 4.95 per cent after the government decided to close all commercial centres and shopping malls in the country.

In Abu Dhabi, the market’s main index fell by 3.1 per cent to end the day at 3,442 with all the powerhouses in the red. Etisalat fell by 3.88 per cent, while Aldar Properties declined 4.4 per cent and First Abu Dhabi Bank lost 3.1 per cent.

Abu Dhabi Commercial Bank dropped 4.95 per cent. The markets regulator in the UAE set the limit down for share prices at 5 per cent compared to 10 per cent as volatility rages.

The Gulf and its markets are also hurt by plunging oil prices as OPEC failed to agree on production cuts. Brent crude prices are now trading at around $25 a barrel, down from close to $70 in January.

Deficits

The double-whammy of the virus outbreak plus lower oil prices will add pressure on regional governments’ ability to spend. But according to Monchau, there’s a silver lining. The UAE government does not have as much debt as other governments, such as Italy or other European governments.

So there’s some leeway to continue spending.

Analysts are now waiting for the peak of the virus outbreak. In China, which was epicentre of the outbreak, some economic activity is restarting, and as governments across the globe impose curfews and lockdowns, investors hope the virus will lose some of its virulence.

This, coupled with the continued liquidity injections from central banks and governments, is expected to ease some of the pain from slower economic activity.

https://gulfnews.com/business/markets/uae-stocks-remain-stuck-in-red-1.70569785
 
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If posting news articles about critical aspects of gulf economies, their economic crisis and their troubles is a "specific agenda" then I dont know :D Either u tolerate freedom of speech or u dont and if the articles which are being published about the realities in the gulf, which display their failues and their miscalculations are hurting the feelings of the arab members or observers here then this is just the way it is. They will have to thicken their skin like everyone else does because in the long term their funds will drie up and they wont be able to buy themselfs out of critical articles and like we Turks, Chinese, Americans or Russians are dealing with critical toughts and articles the gulf people will have to adapt themself into such an enviroment as well.

Or u will say "fck it", we are going to shit on freedom of expression and no longer tolerate critical articles about gulf economies but this in turn would indicate that u (PDF) might be fully well on the gulfs payroll :D

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Saudi Arabia is launching an oil price war. That’s risky.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ia-is-launching-an-oil-price-war-thats-risky/

UAE stocks remain stuck in red

Investor sentiments further undermined by flight cancellations

Published: March 23, 2020 16:27Sarah Diaa, Staff Reporter

Dubai: Stock markets in the UAE remain stuck in a downward spiral after authorities announced a suspension of passenger flights for two weeks to limit the spread of the coronavirus.

“COVID-19 is freezing up the economy - we are dependent on oil for government revenues and on tourism,” said Charles-Henry Monchau, chief investment officer at Al Mal Capital. Obviously, both are currently acting as massive headwinds.

“Tourism is almost down to zero, there are no flights, so spending is going to suffer. As for the oil price crash, there’s potential for even more downside.”

Squeezed on all sides
The Dubai Financial Market (DFM) index dropped by 3.8 per cent to close at 1,714, bringing its year-to-date loss to nearly 40 per cent. Most stocks slumped, with Dubai Islamic Bank and Emirates NBD down 3.15 per cent and 4.95 per cent, respectively.


Emaar declined by 4.7 per cent as Emaar Malls fell 4.95 per cent after the government decided to close all commercial centres and shopping malls in the country.

In Abu Dhabi, the market’s main index fell by 3.1 per cent to end the day at 3,442 with all the powerhouses in the red. Etisalat fell by 3.88 per cent, while Aldar Properties declined 4.4 per cent and First Abu Dhabi Bank lost 3.1 per cent.

Abu Dhabi Commercial Bank dropped 4.95 per cent. The markets regulator in the UAE set the limit down for share prices at 5 per cent compared to 10 per cent as volatility rages.

The Gulf and its markets are also hurt by plunging oil prices as OPEC failed to agree on production cuts. Brent crude prices are now trading at around $25 a barrel, down from close to $70 in January.

Deficits

The double-whammy of the virus outbreak plus lower oil prices will add pressure on regional governments’ ability to spend. But according to Monchau, there’s a silver lining. The UAE government does not have as much debt as other governments, such as Italy or other European governments.

So there’s some leeway to continue spending.

Analysts are now waiting for the peak of the virus outbreak. In China, which was epicentre of the outbreak, some economic activity is restarting, and as governments across the globe impose curfews and lockdowns, investors hope the virus will lose some of its virulence.

This, coupled with the continued liquidity injections from central banks and governments, is expected to ease some of the pain from slower economic activity.

https://gulfnews.com/business/markets/uae-stocks-remain-stuck-in-red-1.70569785

You are off on a tangent, as they say, comparing apples to oranges.

Globally every stock market has been effected due to to the ongoing Pandemic, nothing to do with the OP.

@Slav Defence Kindly note.
 
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You are off on a tangent, as they say, comparing apples to oranges.

You just read the headline rather then the article itself which includes the more important Oil part as well lol yo guys are really critical of freedom of expression hahahahaha
 
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You just read the headline rather then the article itself which includes the more important Oil part as well lol yo guys are really critical of freedom of expression hahahahaha
Freedom of expression:woot:
Meh, I thought that you will be coming up with something much better etc:lol:
Anyways, all posters are instructed to stick to the topic.

Regards
 
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Everyone here is invited to participate in the rational discussions about the gulf economies and their critical state. This isnt a bash thread @Blacklight @Slav Defence , especially now where corona gives us a lot of free time in the next months this forum can be turned into a platform of free, critical minds with fruitfull discussions.
 
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I have been hearing about this for years but nothing seems to have changed yet. I hope this happens in my lifetime so I can see the badmaashi of these useless impotent Sheikhs, who have otherwise no ability whatsoever, come to an end.
The demand for oil isn't going anywhere in our lifetime. However little by little other forms of energy are creeping in...so I'm hoping...one day...these modern day pharaohs will be in for a rude awakening.
 
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Everyone here is invited to participate in the rational discussions about the gulf economies and their critical state. This isnt a bash thread @Blacklight @Slav Defence , especially now where corona gives us a lot of free time in the next months this forum can be turned into a platform of free, critical minds with fruitfull discussions.
Thankyou :)
 
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Everyone here is invited to participate in the rational discussions about the gulf economies and their critical state. This isnt a bash thread @Blacklight @Slav Defence , especially now where corona gives us a lot of free time in the next months this forum can be turned into a platform of free, critical minds with fruitfull discussions.
Based on your agenda you are making a mountain out of a molehill based on a ridiculous OP, and have been blindly regurgitating anything whose title suits you.

GCC has one of the highest reserves / Sovereign wealth funds, plus decent natural resources, I am least bothered.

You on the other hand please feel free to continue working overtime, propagating your ridiculous agenda. I have neither the time nor the will to indulge in such blatant lunacy /nonsense.

Peace
 
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The demand for oil isn't going anywhere in our lifetime. However little by little other forms of energy are creeping in...so I'm hoping...one day...these modern day pharaohs will be in for a rude awakening.

Exactly, already wrote that in a different thread that some might have projected that 10 years ago as well but today major cities worldwide decided already on a diesel banns, car companies are going trough major structural changes while renewable energy is receiving major investments worldwide. This creates issues for oil-producing countries because even the latest row between US-Russia and OPEC/saudi is in fact a battle to receive the biggest share in a sector which is seeing a heavy decline. Im very interested in these oil-producing countries especially the gulf because that time will come and they themself are aware of it and I personally dont see them diversifying away their economy.

Based on your agenda you are making a mountain out of a molehill based on a ridiculous OP, and have been blindly regurgitating anything whose title suits you.

GCC has one of the highest reserves / Sovereign wealth funds, plus decent natural resources, I am least bothered.

You on the other hand please feel free to continue working overtime, propagating your ridiculous agenda. I have neither the time nor the will to indulge in such blatant lunacy /nonsense.

Peace

So if thats the case why do you continue to derail this thread for rational people who are interested in these affairs? If ur dissatisifed with what Im writing here make use of the block option.

And me being critical of the gulf doesnt make me a troll/bot or a shill.
 
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I have been reading about such predictions on pdf from past one decade... let's talk back in 15 years... i say prediction is wrong.
Only risks are Iranian terrorism in region and money laundering lead by Pakistani politicians.
Even if we trust for a moment the wishful majority at pdf. Saudis would come for the bailout of UAE.
I read somewhere, will try to dig up the article, UAE's SWF is $1.2tr while KSA is $825bn. On top of this you have gold reserves, T-bills and more.
 
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Nice read:

Contrary To Assertions, Saudi Arabia Can't Endure $30.00 Oil For Long
Mar. 23, 2020 8:34 AM ET
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About: Saudi Aramco (ARMCO)

Gary Bourgeault


Long only, research analyst, portfolio strategy, media


Summary


Why Saudi Arabia's declaration it is fine with oil at $30.00 per barrel is unrealistic and delusional.

The last time they attempted to flood the market with oil it was a disaster.

With Saudi Aramco being the primary economic arm of the country, it faces different responsibilities and pressures than its competitors.

Source: arabianbusiness.com

As anyone following the oil industry knows, Saudi Aramco's (ARMCO) CFO Khalid al-Dabbagh recently stated that the company was "very comfortable" with oil prices at $30 a barrel, adding at that price level it would be able to meet its various obligations, including paying out dividends, if low prices remain in play for a prolonged period of time.

The last time it tried this the country and Saudi Aramco took a beating, and I consider them to have been operating from a stronger position than they are today.

In this article I want to show why they're totally wrong in their conclusions, and why Saudi Aramco can't be considered a typical oil producer; primarily because it's not only nationalized, but is by far the primary generator of wealth in the country.

The issue at hand
All of this came about from the collapse of the former alliance between Russia, Saudi Arabia, and other OPEC countries. This is turn brought about the declaration by Khalid al-Dabbagh that Saudi Arabia was fine with oil prices of about $30.00 per barrel. The reality is different.

The fact is Saudi Arabia is heavily dependent upon oil revenue to prop up its economy, while Russia's budget can handle lower oil prices for a much longer time.

As for Khalid al-Dabbagh framing the discussion as one of being able to meet obligations to its shareholders, it only tells a small part of the story. Saudi Aramco is unique as a company in the oil sector because it essentially provides for the vast majority of wealth in the nation, along with numerous subsidies its population has grown accustomed to.


When shale oil emerged as a major power in the sector, Saudi reserves tumbled to levels it still hasn't recovered from, and isn't ever likely to.

Since the price of oil plummeted in 2014, Riyadh has been running a deficit. For 2020 the country said it would operate on a budget of $272 million, which was based upon the price of oil being at about $60 per barrel.

As for Russia, based in terms of oil itself, it has a budgetary breakeven price of $40 per barrel. Based upon foreign reserves, it has a breakeven price of $25 per barrel, which it can run the country on as long as 10 years. The Saudis would last for only about 2 years at longest on a breakeven price of $84 per barrel, according to Oil Price.

Saudi Finance Minister Mohammed al-Jadaan recently announced there would be close to a 5 percent cut in the budget for 2020, representing about $13 billion. There could be more cuts to come if global oil production ramps up and prices fall further.

For at least the next couple of months Saudi Aramco will maintain its current record production rate of 12.3 million barrels a day. Exports are expected to climb to a record 10 million barrels a day by May.

The issue here isn't whether or not Saudi Aramco can produce more oil and flood the global markets, the issue is whether or not it can survive that strategy. It could easily be the major victim of prolonged low oil prices.

At a price of $40 per barrel, the budget deficit of Saudi Arabia would expand to 16.1 percent. If prices fell to $30 per barrel, the deficit would widen to 22.1 percent, according to Arqaam Capital.

As for the rest of the world, most of the companies have to be analyzed on an individual basis as to if they can continue to effectively operate in this low-price oil environment. The under performers will be those companies with heavy debt loads that will be difficult to service in a low-price oil environment.

Conclusion
From the time period of 2014 to 2016, Saudi Arabia attempted to crush the U.S. shale industry, believing the shale industry couldn't produce oil at a breakeven basis for less than approximately $70 per barrel. They were completely wrong in that assessment, as we all know.


In 2014 Saudi Arabia had foreign reserves of $737 billion. In 2015 they had to spend a minimum of $250 billion of its foreign reserves, reserves they say that are lost forever.

It also went from a budget surplus to a record deficit in 2015 (at that time) of $98 billion. The majority of projections have Saudi Arabia with budget deficits through up to 2028. With breakeven Brent of $84 per barrel, those projections would probably extend further if the country decides to attempt to drive the competition out of the market with more production and lower prices.

The IEA states that OPEC, from 2014-2016, lost about $450 billion in oil revenue as a result of low prices. To return to those levels or worse, at a time they're still trying to figure out how to bolster their foreign reserves and budgets, is unwise to say the least.

It's going to get even more tense amongst OPEC members when they come under enormous stress as a consequence of Saudi Arabia boosting oil production (including tapping oil reserves from storage) and exports.

Not only can Saudi Arabia last for a prolonged period of low oil prices, but neither can other OPEC members.

For these reasons, I don't see Saudi Arabia or Saudi Aramco being able to engage in a price war on the global stage. When shale producers emerged, the oil industry changed forever, and the days of OPEC dictating and managing oil supply and prices was effectively over. It did manage to hold together the lower production levels for a while, but that never had a chance to succeed over the long term.

I think its threat to continue production at high levels, and possibly boost production and exports, is an empty one. It'll probably do that for a short period of time, but when its own citizens start to oppose the loss of perks and subsidies, as they did when the price of oil collapsed in the recent past, it pressured Saudi leadership to change its tactics.

With Russia no longer interested in slashing production levels, it has exposed the weakness of Saudi Arabia and OPEC in the shale oil era, and puts far more pressure on them than it does on Russia and low-cost individual oil production companies that can survive longer than Saudi Arabia can in a period of low oil prices.


It should be understood that Saudi Aramco isn't just an oil company responsible to shareholders and its workers, it has the weight of almost all of Saudi Arabia on its shoulders. This makes it different from and more vulnerable than many of its competitors.

Disclosure: I/we have no positions in any stocks mentioned, and no plans to initiate any positions within the next 72 hours. I wrote this article myself, and it expresses my own opinions. I am not receiving compensation for it (other than from Seeking Alpha). I have no business relationship with any company whose stock is mentioned in this article.

Editor's Note: This article covers one or more microcap stocks. Please be aware of the risks associated with these stocks.

https://seekingalpha.com/article/43...s-saudi-arabia-cant-endure-30_00-oil-for-long
 
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