Gripen MII production deal signed?

[dadeechi]

@waz could you please merge the following SAAB Gripen threads and make it a sticky as SAAB is now expected to join IAF.

https://defence.pk/threads/gripen-mii-production-deal-signed.434392/

https://defence.pk/threads/air-chief-marshal-raha-to-visit-sweden-lca-mk2-aka-gripen-in.433861/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-pitches-for-joint-development-of-sea-gripen-fighter-jets.415201/

https://defence.pk/threads/hal-saab-likely-to-upgrade-tejas.428969/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-adds-gan-aesa-co-dev-to-make-in-india-gripen-pitch.434318/

https://defence.pk/threads/india-to...ake-in-india-initiative-by-march-2017.431443/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-off...rcraft-under-make-in-india-initiative.431331/

https://defence.pk/threads/sweden-t...n-ng-fighter-aircraft-deal-with-india.430154/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-pit...india-for-the-iaf-under-make-in-india.427075/

https://defence.pk/threads/hal-in-talks-with-swedish-firm-for-upgraded-tejas.426809/

there wont be any LCA MK2 if this deal is indeed true Grippen NG will be future LMRCA while Rafale bieng MRCA and Upgraded MKI & FGFA/PAKFA bieng HCA

Correct. LCA MK2 and Gripen IN would be the same. It would be a JV between SAAB & India.

 

[GURU DUTT]

Correct. LCA MK2 and Gripen IN would be the same. It would be a JV between SAAB & India.

but India never gonna buy Grippen cause at same price USA is offering its surplus F16s upgraded to latest version of F16V with latest genration engine and AESA... GaN based Radar and combined EW-ECM suite with internal IRST and CFT and all that leathel weapons pakage which sweden can never offer us + the fact most of the current parts in grippen are sourced from USA ... rest you can speculate yourself

 

[dadeechi]

but India never gonna buy Grippen cause at same price USA is offering its surplus F16s upgraded to latest version of F16V with latest genration engine and AESA... GaN based Radar and combined EW-ECM suite with internal IRST and CFT and all that leathel weapons pakage which sweden can never offer us + the fact most of the current parts in grippen are sourced from USA ... rest you can speculate yourself

As I have confirmed multiple times, RAFALEs, F-16s & SAAB JV are all coming


SAAB JV would with HAL for LCA MK2 aka Gripen IN

LM would partner with TATAs for the F-16s deal

Dassault would partner with Reliance for the RAFALEs.

 

[GURU DUTT]

As I have confirmed multiple times, RAFALEs, F-16s & SAAB JV are all coming


SAAB JV would with HAL for LCA MK2 aka Gripen IN

LM would partner with TATAs for the F-16s deal

Dassault would partner with Reliance for the RAFALEs.

lolzz so your saying we will have three new single engined 4-4.5+ gen light fighters and rafale aswell ...... cheers mate

but sorry to break your dream that aint gonna happen it will be

LCA + F-16+Rafale+ MKI+PAKFA-FGFA

 

[dadeechi]

Without the DPP 2016 strategic partnership part being made public and declared now to be official (expected in June 15 DAC meeting), no MII can be formally signed.

That was the reason why I mentioned that RAFALE deal would be closed in 9 days.

That seems to be only a MoU

Thanks for the clarification and now it makes sense.

lolzz so your saying we will have three new single engined 4-4.5+ gen light fighters and rafale aswell ...... cheers mate

but sorry to break your dream that aint gonna happen it will be

LCA + F-16+Rafale+ MKI+PAKFA-FGFA

Guru Bhai, you can call my statements as dreams or nightmares but I have all along been consistent and my statements have come true till date.

Last year, when I confirmed that Modi would sign the foundational agreements, people pounced on me. Now people have reconciled and are also justifying why LSA should be signed.

The same was the reaction last year when people called the Gripen news as yellow journalism to kill LCA project but people would soon realize that how true my statements were. All the below events has taken place after I confirmed the news on Gripen.

HAL is in talks with SAAB
IAF chief is visiting SAAB
Modi's discussion with Swedish PM was the highlight of MII event in Mumbai
Maha CM Fadnavis (confidant of RSS) visited SAAB and has ear marked land for the facility in Maha.

LCA + F-16+Rafale+ MKI+PAKFA-FGFA

Only RAFALEs and F-16s are ready for induction while FGFA & LCA MK2 (Gripen IN) would need another decade before they are ready.

 

[Indian009]

LCA MK2 would be a JV with SAAB.

Then whats the point of JV ???

People here dont undestand specification of MK2 cant be achived with current airframe. It has tobe a new design meaning 12/15 years of development.

If this news is true then its a shortcut to achive what IAF wants.
Saab need customer and we need jets. Win win.

Resources alloted to LCA mk2 can be diverted to AMCA or next project.

We dont need to drag LCA just because we can

Are you the same guy who said rafale deal in 9 days ???

 

[dadeechi]

Then whats the point of JV ???

People here dont undestand specification of MK2 cant be achived with current airframe. It has tobe a new design meaning 12/15 years of development.

If this news is true then its a shortcut to achive what IAF wants.
Saab need customer and we need jets. Win win.

India would be collaborating with SAAB to expedite the LCA MK2 (Gripen IN) development.

Resources alloted to LCA mk2 can be diverted to AMCA or next project.

Indian aerospace industries need to mature before we can take up AMCA. The partnerships and JV from RAFALEs, F-16s, Gripen, FGFA would all contribute towards that goal but that would 2030 and beyond.

Are you the same guy who said rafale deal in 9 days ???

Yes. I am not a Gripen fan boy. I like RAFALEs the most. RAFALE is technological marvel but unfortunately for India, Dassault is not interested in MIIs/JVs. Hence India went for the next best which is SAAB.

 

[Indian009]

India would be collaborating with SAAB to expedite the LCA MK2 (Gripen IN) development.




Indian aerospace industries need to mature before we can take up AMCA. The partnerships and JV from RAFALEs, F-16s, Gripen, FGFA would all contribute towards that goal but that would 2030 and beyond.



Yes. I am not a Gripen fan boy. I like RAFALEs the most.

You missed everything I wanted to say. What can i reply ???
Suits yourself

 

[dadeechi]

You missed everything I wanted to say. What can i reply ???
Suits yourself

I thought the following was the gist of your post.

Then whats the point of JV ???

 

[randomradio]

RAFALE is technological marvel but unfortunately for India, Dassault is not interested in MIIs/JVs. Hence India went for the next best which is SAAB.

There is MII for 90 Rafales and that can be expanded if necessary.

 

[dadeechi]

There is MII for 90 Rafales and that can be expanded if necessary.

True. My point was that the day Safran pulled out of the MII deal with India, RAFALE lost its charm.

Now the engine assembly tech would be part of DTTI to support the F-16 & LCA MK2/Gripen deals.

 

[randomradio]

True. My point was that the day Safran pulled out of the MII deal with India, RAFALE lost its charm.

Safran pulled out of discussions with HAL because MMRCA was canceled. They will come back with a private Indian player once MII discussions start.

Now the engine assembly tech would be part of DTTI to support the F-16 & LCA MK2/Gripen deals.

That's something else. Parrikar will most likely go for SH also.

 

[dadeechi]

Saab offers India Gripen-E fighters with complete ecosystem
news

16 June 2016
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Swedish defence firm Saab has offered to create an entire aerospace system in India, including the design, development, manufacture and maintenance its latest Gripen-E fighter under Prime Minister Narendra Modi's Make in India programme.

Earlier this month, Swedish government had formally submitted a proposal to the defence ministry to make the Gripen fighters in India.

''Saab is not only looking at setting up a base here, but also helping in the development of aerospace capability for many years to come,'' said Jan Widerström, chairman, Saab India Technologies Pvt Ltd.

''We will not work by simply providing kits, but by providing knowledge so that we can build capability both from the bottom of the supply chain and from the top of the supply chain. We will not simply move an assembly line; we will build development capability,'' said Mats Palmberg, vice president, Industrial Partnerships, Saab Aeronautics.

Saab's plans include creating an Indian company in partnership with either an Indian private defence manufacturer or a defence public sector unit. It will also create a training academy for engineers, technicians and workers to develop skills and knowledge critical to creating aerospace eco-system.

''We would train engineers in Sweden, as we're currently doing with Brazilian engineers for the Brazilian Gripen programme. We will train people in India and in Sweden to be able to design, develop, manufacture and maintain in India,'' said Palmberg.

Saab officials refused to comment on the ongoing discussions between the Indian and Swedish governments. However, they said that they would be willing to look at ways to meet any urgent requirements of the Indian Air Force (IAF) before the first Gripen-E is delivered to Brazil in 2019.

Gripen-E is latest ''smart fighter'' from Saab, which was rolled out at its Linkoping facility on 18 May. Brazil has already signed a deal with Saab for co-production of Gripen-E.

The IAF is authorised to have 42 fighter squadrons but currently has only 33. A number of Soviet-era MiGs are to be decommissioned in the next couple of years.

The defence ministry refused to officially comment on Saab's offer, saying that many factors will have to considered before a choice is made.

http://www.domain-b.com/aero/mil_avi/mil_aircraft/20160616_ecosystem.html




Swedish defence giant keen to partner with India for next version of Tejas

PTI
Published Jun 16, 2016, 2:07 pm IST
Updated Jun 16, 2016, 2:07 pm IST
Incidentally, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha visited the Saab facility in Sweden last week and even flew the Gripen.

Light Combat Aircraft (LCA) Tejas (Photo: PTI)


New Delhi: Swedish defence major Saab is keen to partner with India for the next version of LCA (Light Combat Aircraft) Tejas even as it has offered its own newly-launched Gripen E fighter aircraft under 'Make in India' initiative, but with over 49 per cent stake in a joint venture with a private firm.

Based on a Request for Information released by state-run Hindustan Aeronautics Limited, the makers of Tejas, Saab is in talks with them to finalise the latest avionics and radar system for the Tejas 1A, the version of the indigenous plane that the IAF is interested in.

"Yes, we are in talks with HAL. We have the latest avionics, best active electronically scanned array (AESA) radar and technology in the Gripen which we would be happy to share with HAL for the Tejas programme," Jan Widerstrom, Chairman Saab India, said.

He argued that it will be a win-win situation if the Indian Air Force (IAF) decides to get Gripen also.

"From a user perspective, maintenance, knowledge build up and Make in India, this will have lot of advantages," he said. Asked if the offer to help the Tejas programme was conditional to IAF selecting Gripen, he said both are independent programmes.

He also made it clear that Saab is looking at more than the automatic limit of 49 per cent FDI in defence in the joint venture that will make Gripen in India.

Under the rules, a company can seek even 100 per cent FDI if it brings in high-technology under the 'Make in India' initiative.

Even though India has scrapped the earlier multi-billion contract for 126 Medium Multi-Role Combat Aircraft (MMRCA) programme and decided to go in for only 36 Rafales, the government will select at least one more aircraft besides Tejas to be built in India.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has said that India will decide between American F-18, French Rafale, Eurofighter Typhoon and Gripen by the end of this fiscal.

Incidentally, IAF chief Air Chief Marshal Arup Raha visited the Saab facility in Sweden last week and even flew the Gripen.

"Our concept of technology transfer is real as we are willing to give India comprehensive systems and software control. In short, Saab is not only looking at setting up a base here but also helping in the development of aerospace capability for many more years to come," Widerstrom said. He added that Saab will not simply move an assembly line but will build development capability.

"We will design, develop, produce and maintain in India," he said.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/nati...ner-with-india-for-next-version-of-tejas.html

@waz @Oscar

could you please merge the following SAAB Gripen threads and make it a sticky as SAAB is now expected to join IAF.

https://defence.pk/threads/gripen-mii-production-deal-signed.434392/

https://defence.pk/threads/air-chief-marshal-raha-to-visit-sweden-lca-mk2-aka-gripen-in.433861/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-pitches-for-joint-development-of-sea-gripen-fighter-jets.415201/

https://defence.pk/threads/hal-saab-likely-to-upgrade-tejas.428969/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-adds-gan-aesa-co-dev-to-make-in-india-gripen-pitch.434318/

https://defence.pk/threads/india-to...ake-in-india-initiative-by-march-2017.431443/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-off...rcraft-under-make-in-india-initiative.431331/

https://defence.pk/threads/sweden-t...n-ng-fighter-aircraft-deal-with-india.430154/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-pit...india-for-the-iaf-under-make-in-india.427075/

https://defence.pk/threads/hal-in-talks-with-swedish-firm-for-upgraded-tejas.426809/

https://defence.pk/threads/can-gripen-e-and-lca-tejas-co-exist-in-indian-air-force.435137/

https://defence.pk/threads/saab-keen-to-partner-with-india-for-next-version-of-tejas.435013/

 

[dadeechi]

Saab Joins Hunt for India Partner to Help Modi Overhaul Airforce

Nc Bipindra
Iain Marlow
July 11, 2016 — 6:00 PM EDT


Sweden’s Saab AB will join Lockheed Martin Corp. and Boeing Co. in the search for local partners to help build its fighter jets, as competition increases for a slice of India’s planned $150 billion military modernization.

While certain parts of the Gripen E planes will be built in factories fully owned by Saab, other components will be manufactured jointly, said Jan Widerstrom, chairman of Saab India Technologies Pvt. The Adani Group could be among companies being considered, the Economic Times reported in May, without saying where it got the information.

"We are talking to at least six large companies in India as the main partners, and several hundred for the supply chain," Widerstrom said in a July 7 interview in New Delhi. "We are still evaluating our partners and most likely we need more than one."


India is expected to announce a contract for fighter jets next year, with local production in focus as Prime Minister Narendra Modi looks to create jobs and reduce the world’s highest arms imports. Soon after taking office in 2014 he allowed more foreign direct investment in defense and, last month, he further eased rules for the sector.

Under the latest tweaks announced June 20, foreign companies can hold more than 49 percent of a company based in India even if it doesn’t provide state-of-the-art technology. Concerns exist, though, on whether local companies have the trained workforce to deliver.

"There exists an ecosystem, but that ecosystem needs to develop further,” said Pushan Das, a junior fellow at the Observer Research Foundation think tank in New Delhi.“Indian companies are yet to acquire the manufacturing wherewithal to manufacture complete military grade aircraft platforms.”

Moreover, the airforce would probably prefer a two-engine craft rather than the single-engine Gripen, he said. Saab had lost out to Dassault Aviation SA for that reason in 2007, when India had last sought bids for fighter jets, before talks stalled on the deal partly because India sought quality guarantees for the Rafales made locally.


Indigenous Weapons
Saab may have it easier. It has a center with Tech Mahindra Ltd. in the southern Indian city of Hyderabad, where more than 100 engineers are already working on the design and development of Gripen jets for Brazil. It will also build on its existing partnerships, such as an aerostructure venture with Indian company Aequs, Widerstrom said.

Saab has also offered to help India with its indigenous Tejas jet, as well as the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft program, which seeks to design and build a fifth-generation fighter.

Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar has said the country needs local production lines for at least two types of fighter aircraft.

‘Next 100 Years’
Even as India faces geopolitical threats from neighbors Pakistan and China, a third of its 650-strong combat airfleet is over 40 years old, and the Tejas was 33 years in the making.

India was the world’s largest arms importer, according to a February 2016 report from the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute, in part because its companies have failed to produce competitive, indigenous weapons.

Saab would want a 100 percent investment in an Indian project in the coming years, but for now would prefer working with local partners in both the private and public sectors. It will also offer a transfer of technology, Widerstrom said.

"We see it as part of our overall ‘Make in India’ package," he said. "We are offering an aerospace capability for the next 100 years."

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...-india-partner-to-help-modi-overhaul-airforce

 

[Jai Bharat]

As I have confirmed multiple times, RAFALEs, F-16s & SAAB JV are all coming

And where is all the money going to come for so many fighter lines?

FGFA and S-400 will take a chunk out of the budget, and the Rafales don't come cheap. Gripen is more expensive than F-16s and Gripen E is still 5-6 years away.

The banning of Finnmecannia hurt Gripen's prospects. If they don't get the Israeli's to integrate a radar I don't see how they have a chance. Maybe they can do some consulting for Tejas Mk2 whose development is guaranteed thanks to the wise Indian Navy.

LM F-16s sounds like the obvious choice other than another Tejas private line.