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Greece in 2050: A country for old men
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Yiannis Elafros

By 2050, Greece’s population is expected to shrink by 800,000 to 2.5 million people to between 8.3 and 10 million, and one in three of its residents will be over the age of 65 (30-33 percent compared to the present 21 percent and 7 percent in 1951), while under-14s will represent just 12-14.8 percent from 15 percent today and 28 percent in 1951.

This dystopian view of the country – with empty schools and offices – emerges from a recent study on Greece’s demographic prospects, presented by the Athens-based Dianeosis research organization.
The study explored eight different scenarios, all of which calculated a significant drop in the population by 2050. The most optimistic saw a reduction of 800,000 people and the rapid aging of society. The median age is seen reaching 49-52 years from 44 today and 26 in 1951. By then, the study says, 50-year-olds will be the young ’uns.
The number of school-age children (3-17) will drop from 1.6 million today to 1.4 million in the optimistic scenario and 1 million in the pessimistic one and the economically active population will shrink from 4.7 million people today to between 3 and 3.7 million, meaning that a much lower number of people will be able to work to cover the country’s needs.

The study by Dianeosis reflects trends that are already being noted: On January 1, 2015, Greece’s population came to 10.8 million from 11.1 million in 2011, marking the first time since 1951 that the number of the country’s residents has gone down.
There are three factors that affect population fluctuations – births, deaths and migration – which can be separated into two categories, the natural process of births and deaths, and the migration factor, which includes both inflows and outflows. Today, births are decreasing and deaths going up due to sliding standards of living and a crumbling public healthcare system. Meanwhile, the outflow of mainly young Greeks and foreigners from the country is on the rise, while, despite the arrival of thousands of migrants, the crisis is preventing their numbers from being made up by fresh inflows.
The Dianeosis study was conducted by the Laboratory of Demographic and Social Analyses (LDSA) of the University of Thessaly under the supervision of Professor Byron Kotzamanis.
The data show that from 1951 to 2011, the Greek population rose from 7.7 million to 11.1 million. This was an impressive increase, even though there has been a progressive decline in fertility rates since 1956.

According to the Dianeosis study, Greece did not experience the baby boom of other Western countries in the post-World War II period and the increase in its population was due exclusively to migration flows and the rapid rise in life expectancy, which rose by eight years for men and 10 for women in that period.
From 1951 (the start of the period examined by the study as it was then that reliable data became available) until the mid-1970s, the increase in the population was attributed almost exclusively to the natural factor, meaning that there were more births than deaths. In 1951, for example, Greece saw 155,422 births and just 57,508 deaths. Balancing the large gap between the two was the fact that some 27,000 Greeks emigrated every year from the early 1950s to the mid-1970s.
From then until the late 1980s, the number of births remained high and the immigration balance was reversed as hundreds of thousands of Greek emigres returned to the country. In the 1990s and 2000s, the population rise again changed characteristics as births dropped dramatically and Greece saw an inflow of thousands of migrants, mainly from its northern neighbors. In the decade between 1991 and 2001, the natural balance was in positive territory by just 20,536 more births than deaths, but the overall increase in the population came to 563,298.
Greece entered a new phase in 2011 that is unprecedented since the end of World War II. Deaths far outnumber births and, despite the inflow of migrants and refugees, the migration balance is also negative as young professionals seek work abroad.
On January 1, 2015, the Greek population had dropped by 300,000 compared with 2011.
During the presentation of the study, Kotzamanis said that the economic crisis is expected to accelerate (and possibly in some cases reverse) the long-term evolution trends of basic demographic components. Fertility is already on the wane. Women born between 1950 and 1954 gave birth to an average of two children each and those born in 1960-64 and 1970-74 (estimate) to 1.6 children. According to the United Nations, in 2010-15, women in Greece had an average of 1.34 children.
Kotzamanis notes that women are increasingly putting off having their first child due, among other factors, to the dire economic situation. He also adds that in the years of the crisis, the average age that women decide to have their first child may be as high as 35, meaning that they have less time to have more children afterward.
Meanwhile, the crisis in the healthcare system and the drop in incomes for the majority of the population will almost certainly have a negative impact on the population’s health and longevity, the Dianeosis study warns.
It also says that as Greece becomes increasingly unattractive from an economic standpoint, even migrants who settled here years ago will be tempted to return home – as many have already done – while more and more young university graduates will continue to leave as the job market shrinks further.
The statistical analysis conducted in all eight scenarios examined in the study shows that by 2050 the population may drop to 8.3 million in the adverse scenario and 10 million in the optimistic one.
Greece, the study shows, is not only getting emptier but also older. In the past 65 years, the population has risen by 46 percent but the number of over-65s has quadrupled and the over-85s have doubled in the same period. In 1961, just 8.3 percent of the population was over 65 years old and 26.2 percent was under 14 years old. In 2014, the composition was entirely different: 20.5 percent were over 65 and just 14.7 percent were under 14.
The shrinking of the population is also highlighted by data presented by international organizations and the Hellenic Statistical Authority (ELSTAT), which have published projections about Greece’s demographic future.
The Vienna Institute of Demography in 2010 estimated that Greece’s population in 2050 will come to 11.7 million. In 2007, ELSTAT put the figure at 11.5 million. In 2005, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development saw it at 10.6 million and the UN put it at 9.5 million. Eurostat estimated in 2013 that Greece’s population in 2050 would come to 9.1 million. The Dianeosis study includes a detailed analysis of all the projections made by these organizations.
The researchers say that the discrepancy between the Dianeosis study and these projections lies in the fact that they used the most recent data (based on 2015 figures) and a different method of analysis. The eight scenarios developed from different combinations of analyses of fertility, mortality and immigration rates in past decades and on the basis of hypotheses on the effects of the crisis and general socioeconomic developments, something that is not the case in the studies by the other organizations cited.
The demographic trends that emerged would have a significant impact on a number of sectors. To start with, should the projections be vindicated, there could be little long-term policy planning as demographic fluctuations will impact the social security system, the labor market, education, social welfare, immigration and even defense.


Greece's demographic trends are truly alarming. Could Greece use the migrant flow to slow this trend?
 
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Greece should open up immigration with path to citizenship to college educated immigrants from ME and beyond...
 
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But those who migrate to Greece will probably move to other European countries with better economic conditions if given the opportunity...
 
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Greece should open up immigration with path to citizenship to college educated immigrants from ME and beyond...
Oh yeah sure,open up immigration,make it a multicultural country,huh?
 
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Greece in 2050: A country for old men
pensioner3_web.jpg

Yiannis Elafros

By 2050, Greece’s population is expected to shrink by 800,000 to 2.5 million people to between 8.3 and 10 million, and one in three of its residents will be over the age of 65 (30-33 percent compared to the present 21 percent and 7 percent in 1951), while under-14s will represent just 12-14.8 percent from 15 percent today and 28 percent in 1951.

This dystopian view of the country – with empty schools and offices – emerges from a recent study on Greece’s demographic prospects, presented by the Athens-based Dianeosis research organization.
The study explored eight different scenarios, all of which calculated a significant drop in the population by 2050. The most optimistic saw a reduction of 800,000 people and the rapid aging of society. The median age is seen reaching 49-52 years from 44 today and 26 in 1951. By then, the study says, 50-year-olds will be the young ’uns.
The number of school-age children (3-17) will drop from 1.6 million today to 1.4 million in the optimistic scenario and 1 million in the pessimistic one and the economically active population will shrink from 4.7 million people today to between 3 and 3.7 million, meaning that a much lower number of people will be able to work to cover the country’s needs.

The study by Dianeosis reflects trends that are already being noted: On January 1, 2015, Greece’s population came to 10.8 million from 11.1 million in 2011, marking the first time since 1951 that the number of the country’s residents has gone down.
There are three factors that affect population fluctuations – births, deaths and migration – which can be separated into two categories, the natural process of births and deaths, and the migration factor, which includes both inflows and outflows. Today, births are decreasing and deaths going up due to sliding standards of living and a crumbling public healthcare system. Meanwhile, the outflow of mainly young Greeks and foreigners from the country is on the rise, while, despite the arrival of thousands of migrants, the crisis is preventing their numbers from being made up by fresh inflows.
The Dianeosis study was conducted by the Laboratory of Demographic and Social Analyses (LDSA) of the University of Thessaly under the supervision of Professor Byron Kotzamanis.
The data show that from 1951 to 2011, the Greek population rose from 7.7 million to 11.1 million. This was an impressive increase, even though there has been a progressive decline in fertility rates since 1956.

According to the Dianeosis study, Greece did not experience the baby boom of other Western countries in the post-World War II period and the increase in its population was due exclusively to migration flows and the rapid rise in life expectancy, which rose by eight years for men and 10 for women in that period.
From 1951 (the start of the period examined by the study as it was then that reliable data became available) until the mid-1970s, the increase in the population was attributed almost exclusively to the natural factor, meaning that there were more births than deaths. In 1951, for example, Greece saw 155,422 births and just 57,508 deaths. Balancing the large gap between the two was the fact that some 27,000 Greeks emigrated every year from the early 1950s to the mid-1970s.
From then until the late 1980s, the number of births remained high and the immigration balance was reversed as hundreds of thousands of Greek emigres returned to the country. In the 1990s and 2000s, the population rise again changed characteristics as births dropped dramatically and Greece saw an inflow of thousands of migrants, mainly from its northern neighbors. In the decade between 1991 and 2001, the natural balance was in positive territory by just 20,536 more births than deaths, but the overall increase in the population came to 563,298.
Greece entered a new phase in 2011 that is unprecedented since the end of World War II. Deaths far outnumber births and, despite the inflow of migrants and refugees, the migration balance is also negative as young professionals seek work abroad.
On January 1, 2015, the Greek population had dropped by 300,000 compared with 2011.
During the presentation of the study, Kotzamanis said that the economic crisis is expected to accelerate (and possibly in some cases reverse) the long-term evolution trends of basic demographic components. Fertility is already on the wane. Women born between 1950 and 1954 gave birth to an average of two children each and those born in 1960-64 and 1970-74 (estimate) to 1.6 children. According to the United Nations, in 2010-15, women in Greece had an average of 1.34 children.
Kotzamanis notes that women are increasingly putting off having their first child due, among other factors, to the dire economic situation. He also adds that in the years of the crisis, the average age that women decide to have their first child may be as high as 35, meaning that they have less time to have more children afterward.
Meanwhile, the crisis in the healthcare system and the drop in incomes for the majority of the population will almost certainly have a negative impact on the population’s health and longevity, the Dianeosis study warns.
It also says that as Greece becomes increasingly unattractive from an economic standpoint, even migrants who settled here years ago will be tempted to return home – as many have already done – while more and more young university graduates will continue to leave as the job market shrinks further.
The statistical analysis conducted in all eight scenarios examined in the study shows that by 2050 the population may drop to 8.3 million in the adverse scenario and 10 million in the optimistic one.
Greece, the study shows, is not only getting emptier but also older. In the past 65 years, the population has risen by 46 percent but the number of over-65s has quadrupled and the over-85s have doubled in the same period. In 1961, just 8.3 percent of the population was over 65 years old and 26.2 percent was under 14 years old. In 2014, the composition was entirely different: 20.5 percent were over 65 and just 14.7 percent were under 14.
The shrinking of the population is also highlighted by data presented by international organizations and the Hellenic Statistical Authority (ELSTAT), which have published projections about Greece’s demographic future.
The Vienna Institute of Demography in 2010 estimated that Greece’s population in 2050 will come to 11.7 million. In 2007, ELSTAT put the figure at 11.5 million. In 2005, the Organization for Economic Cooperation and Development saw it at 10.6 million and the UN put it at 9.5 million. Eurostat estimated in 2013 that Greece’s population in 2050 would come to 9.1 million. The Dianeosis study includes a detailed analysis of all the projections made by these organizations.
The researchers say that the discrepancy between the Dianeosis study and these projections lies in the fact that they used the most recent data (based on 2015 figures) and a different method of analysis. The eight scenarios developed from different combinations of analyses of fertility, mortality and immigration rates in past decades and on the basis of hypotheses on the effects of the crisis and general socioeconomic developments, something that is not the case in the studies by the other organizations cited.
The demographic trends that emerged would have a significant impact on a number of sectors. To start with, should the projections be vindicated, there could be little long-term policy planning as demographic fluctuations will impact the social security system, the labor market, education, social welfare, immigration and even defense.


Greece's demographic trends are truly alarming. Could Greece use the migrant flow to slow this trend?

So are Turkey's demographics. Turkish fertility is probably in the range of 1.6 going into 2022. Turkey still has a time window to try to reverse the damage. Turkish bros should be more focused & worried about that, and not worry about Greece.
 
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Greece is nose diving big time regarding population. They really need to do something fast. I don't know what as simple incentives don't work. They need nothing short of a revolution.
Without Greece Europe may as well die. They gave the continent it's beginnings.
 
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Oh yeah sure,open up immigration,make it a multicultural country,huh?
Well, why don't you implement programs to increase the population? In terms of size and capabilities i think Greece can host a population of at least 30/40 million.
 
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Well, why don't you implement programs to increase the population? In terms of size and capabilities i think Greece can host a population of at least 30/40 million.
Because the governments are dumb. There was even an ad against abortion and the Left,feminists,anarchist organizations and LGBTQ+ rights activists went mad. The governments prefer to care more about "refugees" and immigrants than the Greeks.

Also,the economic crisis didn't help either.
 
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So are Turkey's demographics. Turkish fertility is probably in the range of 1.6 going into 2022. Turkey still has a time window to try to reverse the damage. Turkish bros should be more focused & worried about that, and not worry about Greece.
The current population of Turkiye is around 90 million. Almost all of the 7 million refugees appear to be permanent. Compared to Greece, Turkiye still has a much more dynamic population and average age.
 
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Because the governments are dumb. There was even an ad against abortion and the Left,feminists,anarchist organizations and LGBTQ+ rights activists went mad. The governments prefer to care more about "refugees" and immigrants than the Greeks.

Also,the economic crisis didn't help either.
That's it. The root cause of the issue is following the US/EU policies blindly.
 
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In the population structures of the countries, the segment that is in the active business area carries the rest of the country on its back. If the country remains under the weight of the retired population demographically, it is very difficult for countries to maintain their economic vitality and not to decrease the annual number of new businesses in this process. The country loses its economic vitality over time.

The world markets are heading towards a very difficult period. The world has already begun to come under heavy inflation pressure. One of the areas where this is felt most deeply is the increase in energy costs.

For example, in Greece, 200% increase in electricity and 600% increase in natural gas compared to the same month of the previous year. These illogical hikes will increase family and business expenses. However, with its current demographic structure advantages, still Greece could take measures to reduce its effects.

If the scenario in the above ekatimerini news comes true, I have to say with regret that the fate of Greece will be close to a failed state.
 
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I suppose none of European countries can stop decline of population in near future. But Europe as a whole can be saved by uniting into single federative state as Russia or USA or Germany. Then it will be much more effective with resources and will not need immigrants. Europeans have to choose - unite and live or die and give the lands to foreigners.
 
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Because the governments are dumb. There was even an ad against abortion and the Left,feminists,anarchist organizations and LGBTQ+ rights activists went mad.

Damn these guys are that strong in Greece as well? What in heaven is the church doing? Oh well at least Poland and Georgia are holding out.
 
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Damn these guys are that strong in Greece as well? What in heaven is the church doing? Oh well at least Poland and Georgia are holding out.
If you talk against homosexuality,gay and trans rights and are against unchecked immigration,you are immidiately labeled as "racist,fascist,homophobic" and the social media will flood you with hate messages and fiery speeches against the "patriarchy". TV channels don't dare go against this and the politicians who do,are mocked by activists.

It wasn't always like this. The last 10 years or so,this has become a big problem.

Poland and Hungary are fighting against it,but all the "progressives" are attacking them.



"In Serbia, it will not be possible to distinguish a man from a woman. Everybody will dress the same. This calamity will come to us from abroad, but it will stay with us the longest. A groom will take a bride, but nobody will know who is who. People will be lost and more and more senseless day by day. Men will be born not knowing who was their grandfather and great-grandfather. People will think that they know everything, but not a thing they will know." - Mitar Tarabich (1829–1899)
 
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