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Granting India transit rights through Pakistan to Afghanistan

^^^if the report is true (but it has not been mentioned / discussed in pak media) then this is another example of giving away whatever leverage we have without getting anything in return. (this is the state of our populist diplomacy). the indians must be laughing their pants off.
 
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This is exactly the problem. There is no way of judging sincerity. Regards

Please convince yourself first before you take any action.

There is no issue if it done for the right reasons. Not for the negative reasons that Mr. Munshi is espousing.
 
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Continuing blunders in the presidency

by Shireen M Mazari

The News – October 1, 2008

A lot of attention is being paid to Zardari's comments on the Republican vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, which undoubtedly may have been an attempt by our woolly-headed president to assert what he regards as his "playboy" credentials par excellence. Or perhaps he was simply going a step beyond Ms Rehman's facetious remarks made earlier to Ms Palin. But this particular incident was certainly not in the same category as Musharraf's declaration in New York about Pakistani women seeking to be raped to get visas to the west! What is it with our presidents when they arrive in the US? Are they so overwhelmed by being in the vicinity of our new imperial master? Whatever the case, it would appear that more harm than good has come to Pakistan from such visits, and the Zardari visit is yet one more instance of this.

If one can move away from the detracting Palin absurdities of President Zardari, which at best caused Pakistan to suffer, hopefully, only temporary indignity, other actions and statements of the president will certainly have a more lasting negative impact. The most critical is, of course, the joint statement issued after the Zardari-Singh meeting. It is obvious that when Zardari had declared that he would have "good news" on Kashmir, he was referring to good news for India. For that is what the joint statement is all about – unilaterally conceding to Indian demands. If the joint statement is to be a reflection of Pakistan's new policy towards India, it has neither any national consensus nor, therefore, democratic legitimacy.

Worse still, it totally undermines the Pakistani position that progress in all other areas of cooperation must be linked, no matter how tenuously – and in Musharraf's time the link was tenuous – to progress on Kashmir. Pakistan has not been demanding resolution of Kashmir but simply some progress on conflict resolution. Yet, the Zardari-Singh Joint Statement makes no reference even to this aspect of Pakistan's position while agreeing to opening of land trade routes – especially the most stridently demanded by India, the Wagah-Attari route into Pakistan and onwards into Afghanistan and Central Asia. While the intra-Kashmir trade routes may be a CBM of sorts, certainly the land routes across the international border are a unilateral concession, once again, to India. And Mr Zardari seems to be oblivious to the strategic dynamics of conceding the Skardu-Kargil route opening soon for India! It is not that trade should not be removed from the backdoor unaccountable route but giving away land route rights with no quid pro quo is another issue altogether.

Another demand of India's that was conceded to was a commitment to full normalisation of relations again without committing to any form of conflict resolution – be it on Kashmir, Siachin or Sir Creek. As for the issue of India's continued violations of the Indus Water Treaty and the blocking of the waters of the Chenab, all that Zardari got was an "assurance" that India would abide by the Treaty! What a joke, given how it has been violating this treaty to the extent of effectively destroying it. Yet President Zardari was "thankful" because Prime Minister Singh had given his "assurances" on the waters issue. Clearly the president needs to be better educated on Indian "assurances"! Then, as part of the humorous clowning that our president is fast making his trade mark, he declared that "we are not afraid of the K (Kashmir) word!" Unfortunately, Mr President, you are truly afraid of the K word lest it derail your dangerous agenda vis-a-vis India!

Even on terrorism, a one-sided concession appeared, with both sides agreeing to hold a special meeting of the Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism this month (October) to address mutual concerns including the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul! First, by accepting to look into this incident, Pakistan has de facto accepted its involvement. But if specifics in third countries were to be identified, then why not include the bombing of our Consulate in Kandahar which followed the Kabul bombing, and RAW's murky role in Balochistan through Afghanistan, etc. Does President Zardari realise the damage done to Pakistan by including the bombing of the Indian mission in Kabul in this way in the Joint Statement? Clearly, if the Musharraf-Vajpayee January 2004 joint declaration's reference to terrorism was damaging for Pakistan, this joint statement goes far beyond in terms of undermining Pakistan's position on a number of issues.

In fact, the slide down unilateral concessions is picking up pace fast thanks to the free-wheeling and non-serious style of President Zardari in conducting foreign relations. His meeting with Bush was embarrassing for any self-respecting Pakistani while the UN speech seemed to be coming from a party leader rather than the President of all Pakistan. It is high time he realises that, for better or worse, he now represents all Pakistanis not simply the around 30 per cent plus that voted for the PPP.

They say "where ignorance is bliss `tis folly to be wise" but in the case of a president of a sovereign state, ignorance can never be bliss – at least for that country. So it is with this hapless nation. On what basis could our president have declared that "Bush has made the world safer"? Even US strategic allies will not state such an absurdity! Is Zardari totally oblivious of the Iraq invasion, the unleashing of US military force and repression of Muslims through renditions and illegal incarceration in Guantanamo, and the growing space his actions have provided for the spread of Al Qaeda and the spawning of religious extremism across the globe – not to mention his acceptance of the brutal repression of the Palestinian people by a fascist Israel.

For the first time a Muslim president talked of the Bush-defined axis of evil and how it is growing – now was he actually referring to the same axis of evil Bush refers to which include Pakistan's Muslim state allies like Iran as well as North Korea with which Pakistan has no quarrel? Does President Zardari even know what he is talking about when he makes such bizarre pronouncements? And where are his handlers who can actually do some damage control? Can they not keep their infighting – which was reflected so shabbily in Haqqani's dinner fiasco – at bay in the larger national interest? Or is this deliberate revenge on the Pakistani nation whose leaders kept Zardari incarcerated? After all, look how he used and abused the PML-N leadership – which had incarcerated him in the first place!

How much damage are we going to be subjected to? And how much have we now conceded to the US after this disastrous visit? Even on the one occasion when we had finally decided to act in defence of our sovereignty by firing against US aerial incursions into Pakistan, President Zardari undermined the nationalist posture and resolve by denying any such action on the part of Pakistan. No wonder the US has since resumed invading our territory with impunity after the Zardari assurances! At this rate, it would not be surprising to find concessions having been made on strategic issues also – where it would appear attempts are being made to undermine the watertight security by the ruling party seeking entry of party men into the strategic institutions regardless of qualifications or security clearances. Perhaps there have been so many backdoor deals from the time of the NRO that there is hesitancy on the part of the government to have parliamentary discussions on sensitive issues like terrorism in particular and foreign policy in general.

At the end of the day, one-man rule continues – only the uniform has been replaced by civvies – and blundering pronouncements continue to rule the day. At the very least, our recent history proves that presidential visits to the US should be avoided if we are to retain even a modicum of dignity and sovereignty.

Continuing blunders in the presidency
 
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India Pakistan Joint Press Statement issued after meeting of the Prime Minister with the President of Pakistan in New York

24/09/2008


The President of Pakistan and the Prime Minister of India met during the 63rd UNGA session in New York.

Prime Minister Singh congratulated President Zardari on his election and the victory of democracy in Pakistan. He expressed the hope that this would pave the way for a profound transformation of the bilateral relationship, so that India and Pakistan could work together on their shared objectives of peace, prosperity and security.

Both leaders welcomed the several positive outcomes of the four rounds of the Composite Dialogue, which have brought their people, businesses and institutions closer, while permitting sustained efforts to be made to resolve all outstanding issues; these gains need to be consolidated. They agreed to work for an early and full normalization of relations between India and Pakistan, on the basis of mutual respect, peaceful coexistence and non-interference.

Both leaders acknowledged that the peace process has been under strain in recent months. They agreed that violence, hostility and terrorism have no place in the vision they share of the bilateral relationship, and must be visibly and verifiably prevented. Severe action would be taken against any elements directing or involved in terrorist acts. President Zardari reassured Prime Minister Singh that the Government of Pakistan stands by its commitments of January 6, 2004.

Both leaders agreed that the forces that have tried to derail the peace process must be defeated. This would allow the continuation and deepening of a constructive dialogue for the peaceful resolution and satisfactory settlement of all bilateral issues, including Jammu and Kashmir.

The two leaders agreed that:

• The Foreign Secretaries of both countries will schedule meetings of the Fifth round of the Composite Dialogue in the next three months which will focus on deliverables and concrete achievements.

• The ceasefire should be stabilized. To this end, the DGMOs and Sector Commanders will stay in regular contact.

• A special meeting of the Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism will be held in October 2008 to address mutual concerns including the bombing of the Indian Embassy in Kabul.

• The expansion of people to people contacts, trade, commerce and economic cooperation provides an effective platform to develop and strengthen bilateral relations. Towards this end it was decided to:

o Open the Wagah-Attari road link to all permissible items of trade
o Open the Khokrapar-Munabao rail route to all permissible items of trade.
o Continue interaction between the Planning Commissions of both countries to develop mutually beneficial cooperation including the energy sector.
o Commence cross-LoC trade on the Srinagar-Muzaffarabad and Poonch-Rawalakot roads on October 21, 2008.
o Modalities for the opening of the Skardu-Kargil route will be discussed soon.

New York
September 24, 2008
 
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Continuing blunders in the presidency

by Shireen M Mazari

The News – October 1, 2008

A lot of attention is being paid to Zardari's comments on the Republican vice-presidential candidate, Sarah Palin, which undoubtedly may have been an attempt by our woolly-headed president to assert what he regards as his "playboy" credentials par excellence. Or perhaps he was simply going a step beyond Ms Rehman's facetious remarks made earlier to Ms Palin. But this particular incident was certainly not in the same category as Musharraf's declaration in New York about Pakistani women seeking to be raped to get visas to the west! What is it with our presidents when they arrive in the US? Are they so overwhelmed by being in the vicinity of our new imperial master? Whatever the case, it would appear that more harm than good has come to Pakistan from such visits, and the Zardari visit is yet one more instance of this.

If one can move away from the detracting Palin absurdities of President Zardari, which at best caused Pakistan to suffer, hopefully, only temporary indignity, other actions and statements of the president will certainly have a more lasting negative impact. The most critical is, of course, the joint statement issued after the Zardari-Singh meeting. It is obvious that when Zardari had declared that he would have "good news" on Kashmir, he was referring to good news for India. For that is what the joint statement is all about – unilaterally conceding to Indian demands. If the joint statement is to be a reflection of Pakistan's new policy towards India, it has neither any national consensus nor, therefore, democratic legitimacy.

Worse still, it totally undermines the Pakistani position that progress in all other areas of cooperation must be linked, no matter how tenuously – and in Musharraf's time the link was tenuous – to progress on Kashmir. Pakistan has not been demanding resolution of Kashmir but simply some progress on conflict resolution. Yet, the Zardari-Singh Joint Statement makes no reference even to this aspect of Pakistan's position while agreeing to opening of land trade routes – especially the most stridently demanded by India, the Wagah-Attari route into Pakistan and onwards into Afghanistan and Central Asia. While the intra-Kashmir trade routes may be a CBM of sorts, certainly the land routes across the international border are a unilateral concession, once again, to India. And Mr Zardari seems to be oblivious to the strategic dynamics of conceding the Skardu-Kargil route opening soon for India! It is not that trade should not be removed from the backdoor unaccountable route but giving away land route rights with no quid pro quo is another issue altogether.

Another demand of India's that was conceded to was a commitment to full normalisation of relations again without committing to any form of conflict resolution – be it on Kashmir, Siachin or Sir Creek. As for the issue of India's continued violations of the Indus Water Treaty and the blocking of the waters of the Chenab, all that Zardari got was an "assurance" that India would abide by the Treaty! What a joke, given how it has been violating this treaty to the extent of effectively destroying it. Yet President Zardari was "thankful" because Prime Minister Singh had given his "assurances" on the waters issue. Clearly the president needs to be better educated on Indian "assurances"! Then, as part of the humorous clowning that our president is fast making his trade mark, he declared that "we are not afraid of the K (Kashmir) word!" Unfortunately, Mr President, you are truly afraid of the K word lest it derail your dangerous agenda vis-a-vis India!

Even on terrorism, a one-sided concession appeared, with both sides agreeing to hold a special meeting of the Joint Anti-Terror Mechanism this month (October) to address mutual concerns including the bombing of the Indian embassy in Kabul! First, by accepting to look into this incident, Pakistan has de facto accepted its involvement. But if specifics in third countries were to be identified, then why not include the bombing of our Consulate in Kandahar which followed the Kabul bombing, and RAW's murky role in Balochistan through Afghanistan, etc. Does President Zardari realise the damage done to Pakistan by including the bombing of the Indian mission in Kabul in this way in the Joint Statement? Clearly, if the Musharraf-Vajpayee January 2004 joint declaration's reference to terrorism was damaging for Pakistan, this joint statement goes far beyond in terms of undermining Pakistan's position on a number of issues.

In fact, the slide down unilateral concessions is picking up pace fast thanks to the free-wheeling and non-serious style of President Zardari in conducting foreign relations. His meeting with Bush was embarrassing for any self-respecting Pakistani while the UN speech seemed to be coming from a party leader rather than the President of all Pakistan. It is high time he realises that, for better or worse, he now represents all Pakistanis not simply the around 30 per cent plus that voted for the PPP.

They say "where ignorance is bliss `tis folly to be wise" but in the case of a president of a sovereign state, ignorance can never be bliss – at least for that country. So it is with this hapless nation. On what basis could our president have declared that "Bush has made the world safer"? Even US strategic allies will not state such an absurdity! Is Zardari totally oblivious of the Iraq invasion, the unleashing of US military force and repression of Muslims through renditions and illegal incarceration in Guantanamo, and the growing space his actions have provided for the spread of Al Qaeda and the spawning of religious extremism across the globe – not to mention his acceptance of the brutal repression of the Palestinian people by a fascist Israel.

For the first time a Muslim president talked of the Bush-defined axis of evil and how it is growing – now was he actually referring to the same axis of evil Bush refers to which include Pakistan's Muslim state allies like Iran as well as North Korea with which Pakistan has no quarrel? Does President Zardari even know what he is talking about when he makes such bizarre pronouncements? And where are his handlers who can actually do some damage control? Can they not keep their infighting – which was reflected so shabbily in Haqqani's dinner fiasco – at bay in the larger national interest? Or is this deliberate revenge on the Pakistani nation whose leaders kept Zardari incarcerated? After all, look how he used and abused the PML-N leadership – which had incarcerated him in the first place!

How much damage are we going to be subjected to? And how much have we now conceded to the US after this disastrous visit? Even on the one occasion when we had finally decided to act in defence of our sovereignty by firing against US aerial incursions into Pakistan, President Zardari undermined the nationalist posture and resolve by denying any such action on the part of Pakistan. No wonder the US has since resumed invading our territory with impunity after the Zardari assurances! At this rate, it would not be surprising to find concessions having been made on strategic issues also – where it would appear attempts are being made to undermine the watertight security by the ruling party seeking entry of party men into the strategic institutions regardless of qualifications or security clearances. Perhaps there have been so many backdoor deals from the time of the NRO that there is hesitancy on the part of the government to have parliamentary discussions on sensitive issues like terrorism in particular and foreign policy in general.

At the end of the day, one-man rule continues – only the uniform has been replaced by civvies – and blundering pronouncements continue to rule the day. At the very least, our recent history proves that presidential visits to the US should be avoided if we are to retain even a modicum of dignity and sovereignty.

Continuing blunders in the presidency

thank you - i rest my case!
 
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How seriously is Shireen M Mazari taken y Pakistanis?

I find her uni-dimensional and always full of self pity and hatred towards one and all.
 
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How seriously is Shireen M Mazari taken y Pakistanis?

I find her uni-dimensional and always full of self pity and hatred towards one and all.

very seriously just like Ravi Rikhe and Puspindar Singh are in India to mention a few!
 
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I am hearing of these two "maha nubhavs" (gentleman) for the first time.

I have read many Indian security analysts, but never these two guys. Where do they write?

I think K. Subrahmanyam and Brahma Challany are some of the better known Indian analysts. May be Cmdr. Uday Bhaskar, B. Raman, KPS Gill, Ajay Sahani, Maroof Raja can be added to the list. Of course I am not heavily into this, so may be missing something.
 
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She was the chair/DG of the ISSRA which is a think tank associated with the Pakistani National Defence University. Its the leading think-tank of Pakistan. She was sidelined by the new government. Writes and speaks very well on security challenges facing Pakistan. She is a Pakistani nationalist so may not be to everyones liking.
 
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I was going to say the same thing as Blain -I don't think she is 'hate filled', she is a nationalist, and therefore analyzes events from a Pakistani POV first and foremost, and in terms of 'how is Pakistan benefiting directly from XYZ'.

Now this is just a joint statement by Zardari and Singh, not a pact, and it may only be laying out a general road map for how the relationship moves forward. I think her concerns on Pakistan giving up too much in exchange for little are valid, if the JS is translated into something more tangible without any movement from India on other issues.
 
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She was the chair/DG of the ISSRA which is a think tank associated with the Pakistani National Defence University. Its the leading think-tank of Pakistan. She was sidelined by the new government. Writes and speaks very well on security challenges facing Pakistan. She is a Pakistani nationalist so may not be to everyones liking.

I have been reading her for some time. I know she headed Pakistani Strategic Institute earlier.

I find her too strident in her views. The lack of balance is striking for someone having that position.

Being a nationalist is one thing and a good thing, but when you are trying to define the country's policy, a sense of balance is good to have.

Else there is a danger of choosing the wrong course just because of the prejudices that you carry. I personally feel she carries too many of them.

If she were to define the foreign policy for Pakistan, you will run out of friends soon.
 
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I have been reading her for some time. I know she headed Pakistani Strategic Institute earlier.

I find her too strident in her views. The lack of balance is striking for someone having that position.

Being a nationalist is one thing and a good thing, but when you are trying to define the country's policy, a sense of balance is good to have.

Else there is a danger of choosing the wrong course just because of the prejudices that you carry. I personally feel she carries too many of them.

If she were to define the foreign policy for Pakistan, you will run out of friends soon.
I disagree - politicians and governing officials operate on pragmatism and compromise. Analysts don't necessarily have to operate on that basis. Their job is to cut through the BS and lay out what serves the interests of their clients - they aren't policy makers.

In this particular case, her concerns are valid IMO - but again, this is just a JS.
 
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I disagree - politicians and governing officials operate on pragmatism and compromise. Analysts don't necessarily have to operate on that basis. Their job is to cut through the BS and lay out what serves the interests of their clients - they aren't policy makers.

In this particular case, her concerns are valid IMO - but again, this is just a JS.

As long as Pakistanis feel she is doing the job well, that's all that matters.

I guess the analyst's job is not to be popular with outsiders. I have seen instances where she gets carries away too much. I remember one article where she was bashing Britain for having secured the release of a Pakistani of British origin! And that too when the Pakistani family of that guy was creating the pressure on the British government to secure that release. Then she also talks of Britain not taking care of her Muslims!

This is just one instance. But anyway, if you guys like her, good for you.

I personally find her too shrill and opinionated to be able to carry out any balanced analysis.
 
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Yes, she headed the Institute of Strategic Studies Islamabad (ISSI) as Director General.

She's always been neutral and many times has criticized President Musharraf also. She has an opinion just like any other well known analyst and a deep insight on affairs with much more authentic intelligence.
 
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I am hearing of these two "maha nubhavs" (gentleman) for the first time.

I have read many Indian security analysts, but never these two guys. Where do they write?

I think K. Subrahmanyam and Brahma Challany are some of the better known Indian analysts. May be Cmdr. Uday Bhaskar, B. Raman, KPS Gill, Ajay Sahani, Maroof Raja can be added to the list. Of course I am not heavily into this, so may be missing something.

if u get the chance read:
The Militarization of Mother India & How India lost all its wars by Ravi Rikhe and Fizaya - Pakistan Air Force by Pushpinder Singh.

i would say they are fore-runners to the names u have mentioned.
 
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