Govt set to convert Gilgit-Baltistan into fifth province

[Kabira]

We are watching you.

Indians can deploy 700.000 foreign army in IoK to harass locals. Can use force on innocents demanding their rights but god forbid if Pakistan extend due rights to people of G-B.

This will not change anything as far as disputed nature of IoK is concerned.

 

[VCheng]

China want this part once for all officially a part of Pakistan.

But how to do this is the real question, given Pakistan's stance over the entire Kashmir issue?

 

[HAIDER]

But how to do this is the real question, given Pakistan's stance over the entire Kashmir issue?

Integration of GB won't hurt the entire Kashmir claim. UN resolution address Indian Kashmir plebiscite . Even if Indians want they can call plebiscite on whole region.

 

[VCheng]

Integration of GB won't hurt the entire Kashmir claim. UN resolution address Indian Kashmir plebiscite . Even if Indians want they can call plebiscite on whole region.

Please do read the UN Resolutions and the Simla Agreement for yourself before commenting any further. (Just a polite suggestion.)

 

[Radio Mirchi]

India doesn't need anything from Pakistan to dilute anything. IT is already killing and blinding kids in its effort to dilute kashmir issue.

1. You can disagree all you want but that won't change the reality. GB wants to be part of Pakistan. Turtuk if under our administration would have wanted the same. Very weak logic like always by Indians to deny reality.

2. We can too play with legalities like India is playing with them for past 70 years. Pakistan waiting for the resolution of Kashmir allowing India to play around words and technicalities was a big mistake. This mistake needs to be reversed. Our moral claim would be there it is right now even after making GB fifth province. Indians never cared about Pakistan's moral claim so Pakistan shouldn't bother about Indian claims today either. Our support to Kashmiri freedom movement would continue in the similar manner just like today.

3. Pakistan faced deaths of 50000 civilians to use airforce against terrorists and not against civilians like Indians normally do in IOK. One APS like massacre in India and I am sure India would have been even using chemical weapons against civilians in IOK like they are shamelessly using guns to kill animals against kashmiri teenagers. India never needed help from Pakistan to continue status quo so it is about time Pakistan cuts the sh!t and show India a middle finger on GB that should have been shown long ago.

4. Yes it was a punishment. It didn't resulted in massacres like in IOK but still it created a lot of problems for patriotic people of GB. AJK people don't want to be province of Pakistan till Kashmir is resolved. We respect their opinion and aren't making them our province. GB of people want to be our province and hence we are respecting their position too albeit late.

You can keep wishing for "separatists" to accept your occupation. Not our problem. Its time for Pakistan to give people of GB what they deserve and call India's bluff of legalities and technicalities. No need to further play by these bogus technicalities and legalities when you are facing a land grabber like India.

When Pakistan is doing our job then why should we bother? I already thank you for that in my previous post.

By calling a logic a weak logic it does not become weak. You have to counter it with proper logic. The moment you say that if Turtuk was part of Pakistan administration they too would have gone with Pakistan, it means its the wish of Pakistan administration and anyone under your administration will not dare to go against Pakistan. No wonder you are not upholding the condition of UN resolution to withdraw your armed forces from J&K under your occupation as you fear that people will start exercising their free will.

On one hand you are separating GB area of J&K and on the other hand you plan to support the freedom struggle of left over kashmiris. What kind of logic is this? or it just suits your agenda.

APS attack is hardly comparable with Mumbai Attacks but do you know how many people were hanged to death in Pakistan in a short span of time after APS killings and how many in India in the aftermath of Mumbai Attacks? Airforce is used when the armed forces are too chickened to launch a ground assault. Indian forces never seek help of airforce and rather use pellet guns, chilli powder grenades etc.

Whenever there is large scale oppression or massacre it immediately reflects in people taking refuge in another country. We see Rohingyas, Syrians, Tibetans but you never hear about Kashmiris leaving their land to save their life except off course Kashmiri Pandits. So the world is now aware what is truth and what is propaganda.

 

[saiyan0321]

@Areesh you are wasting your time with trolls from across the border. When a troll compares a fully armed terror outfit which was well equipped and well trained and knew how to use the terrain and held large swathes of land with innocent unarmed stone Pelters then you can guess the common sense levels and intellect of the said poster. Best not to waste time with them. Fact is that these trolls enjoyed deaths and attacks in Pakistan and they long for those days when everyday attacks happened everywhere. They were convinced that this was our end yet we survived and not only survived but pushed the terrorists back and handed them a severe defeat that saw a massive reduction in attacks all over Pakistan. We also dealt a finishing blow to the baluch terror outfits which burns them the most. They can't stand this so they come up with rubbish like " bombing their own civilians". Remember they are a brainwashed lot and their brains are constantly bombarded with propaganda by their media. Best to ignore them and let the trolls wallow in their own self hate and pity.


Anyhow this was long over due. The region of gilgit baltistan fought against the dogra raj and secured their freedom and wilfully became part of Pakistan only to see them be estranged in a constitutional limbo. At least AJK has their own Parliament and prime minister. Gilgit baltistan had nothing until 2010 when they finally got provincial govt but again they severely lacked national representation and they deserve national representation. They are loyal Pakistan who have fought and shed blood for Pakistan. Its time we bring them in the fold. We need to start correcting mistakes and the mistake of not giving gilgit baltistan equal representative opportunity in Pakistan needs to be corrected.

@shimshali @WAJsal

Its been long enough.

 

[saurav jha]

Totally Support it.it would be helpful in solving kashmir issue that making loc international border. Win win to both.

 

[VCheng]

Totally Support it.it would be helpful in solving kashmir issue that making loc international border. Win win to both.

So which side is more likely to propose such a solution first?

 

[Awi]

Please do read the UN Resolutions and the Simla Agreement for yourself before commenting any further. (Just a polite suggestion.)

Sir, with great respect, mention a single main point from Simla Agreement that India has not violated?

 

[VCheng]

Sir, with great respect, mention a single main point from Simla Agreement that India has not violated?

The point here is to understand Pakistan's position to determine the best way forward with this issue.

 

[Awi]

The point here is to understand Pakistan's position to determine the best way forward with this issue.

"best way forward" is the key here I think, NOT adherence to Simla Agreement over Pakistan's future, though United nations should be taken into confidence.

You are a man with wisdom, do you think Pakistan can go about this easily? or any pointers Pakistan should take into consideration?

 

[axisofevil]

Gilgit Baltistan was a region conquered by the Dogra regime; it's people underwent brutal genocide and persecution under the Dogra. Good to see it finally becomes a province and is seen as separate from J&K.

How far you wanna go back in history to see true historical facts of this region? If you wanna bring up Dogra, then we can bring up a lot more backed by evidence.

 

[VCheng]

"best way forward" is the key here I think, NOT adherence to Simla Agreement over Pakistan's future, though United nations should be taken into confidence.

You are a man with wisdom, do you think Pakistan can go about this easily? or any pointers Pakistan should take into consideration?

The Simla Agreement remains in force and is regarded as valid by both sides, and hence applicable.

(Thank you, but my wisdom here is regarded rather poorly. )

 

[axisofevil]

What article 370 have to do with GB being 5th province which is demand of local people? If Kashmiris want to remove article 370 then go ahead. Actually its not like India ask anything from occupied Kashmiris before doing it.

Nothing to do with Kashmiri's.....the Indian gov't and the majority of Indian ppl including Kashmiri's want article 370 to be abolished. Now with Pakistan doing this to pacify Chinese concerned about India claims and CPEC, this will allow India to finally push thru the abolition of Article 370 once and for all.


Pakistan's action will ultimately nullify any past pacts or agreements....LOL



Even if India doesn't want to go that route, it can always bring up the issue in the UN.. where China haters will fully support us haha

Nothing that India hasn't already done. Why do Indians always pretend to be surprised by decisions Pakistan takes that India has already done?

Oh really so India has got rid of Article 370 LOL....And you wonder why we are so surprised.

When Pakistan is doing our job then why should we bother? I already thank you for that in my previous post.

By calling a logic a weak logic it does not become weak. You have to counter it with proper logic. The moment you say that if Turtuk was part of Pakistan administration they too would have gone with Pakistan, it means its the wish of Pakistan administration and anyone under your administration will not dare to go against Pakistan. No wonder you are not upholding the condition of UN resolution to withdraw your armed forces from J&K under your occupation as you fear that people will start exercising their free will.

On one hand you are separating GB area of J&K and on the other hand you plan to support the freedom struggle of left over kashmiris. What kind of logic is this? or it just suits your agenda.

APS attack is hardly comparable with Mumbai Attacks but do you know how many people were hanged to death in Pakistan in a short span of time after APS killings and how many in India in the aftermath of Mumbai Attacks? Airforce is used when the armed forces are too chickened to launch a ground assault. Indian forces never seek help of airforce and rather use pellet guns, chilli powder grenades etc.

Whenever there is large scale oppression or massacre it immediately reflects in people taking refuge in another country. We see Rohingyas, Syrians, Tibetans but you never hear about Kashmiris leaving their land to save their life except off course Kashmiri Pandits. So the world is now aware what is truth and what is propaganda.

Don't worry bro....you can't talk logic to folks on this website....as you know why....lol.....anyway let them make this move....it will open many possibilities of us in the future.

 

[Kabira]

"best way forward" is the key here I think, NOT adherence to Simla Agreement over Pakistan's future, though United nations should be taken into confidence.

You are a man with wisdom, do you think Pakistan can go about this easily? or any pointers Pakistan should take into consideration?

UN is hopeless and Pakistan can't take back IoK through military means. Status quo will continue in IoK which basically mean indigenous struggle against 700.000 strong Indian army. Meanwhile Pakistan can go ahead and give G-B due rights they have been demanding since forever.