Govt plans to set up SEZ for electric vehicles in Kamra

[Syed1.]

they have no history of carrying out any commercial project and even tesla is struggling to raise finance for electric vehicles and decreasing cost of manufacturing and they have much more expertise than Paf in this regard.Manufacturing good quality electric vehicle is not easy task and only few companies are able to manufacture good quality electric cars.Instead of wasting money on manufacturing low quality electric cars we should import them as bad quality cars will face loss in long run.Risk taking is good when your economy is good and have enough money t lose in case of failure but we cannot afford big risks due to poor economy

Just arguing for the sake of arguing. Tesla has very lofty plans and wants to create self-driving autonomous cars from fully automated factories with only limited human workforce. This requires massive amounts of investment in R&D and infrastructure development, hence they are having trouble in taking off. Also the Tesla Model 3 (their cheapest car) was the best selling car in the US recently beating out Hondas and Toyotas etc. Talk about struggling

If an auto maker wants to make a simple electric car then it is easier to make than a normal internal combustion engine. Pakistan already has the capability to produce electric motors, the motors used in an EV aren't much different from those. Most EVs have three motors, one each for one of the rear wheels and one that drives both the front wheels. Therefore, the EV does not need an internal combustion engine along with transmission and other associated components for transmission of mechanical power from the engine to the wheels. Other than that the body and other components are nearly identical to a normal car. Please only talk about things about which you have knowledge of, or if you don't then educate yourself before spewing garbage.

 

[Yaseen1]

Just arguing for the sake of arguing. Tesla has very lofty plans and wants to create self-driving autonomous cars from fully automated factories with only limited human workforce. This requires massive amounts of investment in R&D and infrastructure development, hence they are having trouble in taking off. Also the Tesla Model 3 (their cheapest car) was the best selling car in the US recently beating out Hondas and Toyotas etc. Talk about struggling

If an auto maker wants to make a simple electric car then it is easier to make than a normal internal combustion engine. Pakistan already has the capability to produce electric motors, the motors used in an EV aren't much different from those. Most EVs have three motors, one each for one of the rear wheels and one that drives both the front wheels. Therefore, the EV does not need an internal combustion engine along with transmission and other associated components for transmission of mechanical power from the engine to the wheels. Other than that the body and other components are nearly identical to a normal car. Please only talk about things about which you have knowledge of, or if you don't then educate yourself before spewing garbage.

The problem is electronics and not just developing motors like that used to run ceiling fans which we are currently producing. We have no capability of manufacturing high quality lithium battery and also lack good electronics used for high efficiency current flow so minimum battery power is consumed in driving car for long distances and lifting heavy weights.It is not so simple like it seems.There are many other standards which are required to be followed to ensure safety of such cars at roads and their efficiency. It is not like rc toycars used by kids which run on charged battery which we also import from china and not manufacture on our own

 

[ziaulislam]

Oh bhai they know what they are doing. We are not Nepal to not have enough manpower, brains, or resources to not work on several projects at the same time. We are the 6th largest population wise and 7th largest military wise so we got plenty of brains to spare and no not all of them will be working on the same project ...




Yup I still remember the way every one converted to CNG when it was introduced for the vehicles. That was also an attempt to reduce reliance on oil imports but a poorly planned one.
All they need is to introduce cheaper kits for existing vehicles and then new vehicles which are relatively competitive with the existing ones if not cheaper and they got the attention of the public.

the plan is still valid, imported LNG is cheaper..what went wrong is that everyone wanted part of bonanza and everyone wanted kick backs in LNG so it never materialized

 

[Abdussamad]

They can't provide utility connections to auto companies that want to setup shop in existing industrial parks yet they will do so in a brand new one?

 

[War Thunder]

they have no history of carrying out any commercial project and even tesla is struggling to raise finance for electric vehicles and decreasing cost of manufacturing and they have much more expertise than Paf in this regard.Manufacturing good quality electric vehicle is not easy task and only few companies are able to manufacture good quality electric cars.Instead of wasting money on manufacturing low quality electric cars we should import them as bad quality cars will face loss in long run.Risk taking is good when your economy is good and have enough money t lose in case of failure but we cannot afford big risks due to poor economy

On one side you want them to focus on establishing a research and manufacturing base on the other you want them to import electric cars.
You do realize how expensive the cars are?
Electric driven systems are not that costly, its the cars the Tesla is making are what is costly, and who says they are struggling? They are the fastest growing company in the world lol

"2013–2019: Tesla Sales Jump From ~20,000 Per Year To ~20,000–30,000 Per Month"

And as I said, they know what they are doing and how to use the resources and manpower at their disposal.

We are not Nepal, We have a huge workforce in our airforce and most of them are not doing a lot in peace times, unlike the army or Navy.

 

[Yaseen1]

i wish they succeed.Lets see what they do.elon musk has good and strong history of carrying out successful new types of innovative businesses and is entrepreneur who has alot of space and time available to think out of box and is not bound or limited by military disciplines .He has established paypal,spacex and many other startups which are top most and leading world companies.The problem with armed forces is that they have restricted nature and not think out of box due to military culture which is common all over so they not usually prove to become good entrepreneurs

On one side you want them to focus on establishing a research and manufacturing base on the other you want them to import electric cars.
You do realize how expensive the cars are?
Electric driven systems are not that costly, its the cars the Tesla is making are what is costly, and who says they are struggling? They are the fastest growing company in the world lol

"2013–2019: Tesla Sales Jump From ~20,000 Per Year To ~20,000–30,000 Per Month"

And as I said, they know what they are doing and how to use the resources and manpower at their disposal.

We are not Nepal, We have a huge workforce in our airforce and most of them are not doing a lot in peace times, unlike the army or Navy.

 

[Viny]

they have no history of carrying out any commercial project and even tesla is struggling to raise finance for electric vehicles and decreasing cost of manufacturing and they have much more expertise than Paf in this regard.Manufacturing good quality electric vehicle is not easy task and only few companies are able to manufacture good quality electric cars.Instead of wasting money on manufacturing low quality electric cars we should import them as bad quality cars will face loss in long run.Risk taking is good when your economy is good and have enough money t lose in case of failure but we cannot afford big risks due to poor economy

If you are going to import everything then all you will be left with exporting donkeys.
Its clear sign that world will move towards electric vehicles, if you dont want to jump into this and kick start the automobile industry at this point of time, then your country will lose the opportunity build a base, this is similar to what was going in 1900's when Ford T-Model rewrote transportation..Tesla is doing similar things beyond 2000.

Building electric car is not that difficult like Combustion Driven Cars, agree at this point of time the biggest challenge is battery production and associated materials are required to store energy. But as the industry grows there will be options and new techs coming up. So unless Pakistan decides to take the steps now, it will be again left with using mehran type electric cars, a dump from developed market. Having said that pakistan for sure needs to look up some sector that could bring needful exports, you cant keep on saying we have no history so we cannot do..you will need to start somewhere.

 

[God Parshuram]

A reasonabllly good electrical vehicle with 400 kilometres of range will cost some 5 million PKR. does Pakistan as the market?

 

[Abdussamad]

A reasonabllly good electrical vehicle with 400 kilometres of range will cost some 5 million PKR. does Pakistan as the market?

It is a completely silly idea for Pakistan. PTI is full of foolish ideas like these. Like they got jealous of India's tourism industry and decided that Pakistan should have one too. Except Pakistan is infamous for being infested with terrorists and no one will travel here. It's just complete disconnect with ground realities.

If you really want to cut down on pollution in Pakistan how about providing us with public transport? Karachi is home to 14 million people and the only public transport we have are private buses from the 60s. They are so overcrowded that people ride on the roof:

https://c.tribune.com.pk/2017/10/1532176-karachibuses-1508085137.jpg

 

[Paul2]

A reasonabllly good electrical vehicle with 400 kilometres of range will cost some 5 million PKR. does Pakistan as the market?

Much likely an electric alternative to Mekhran than anything comparable to EVs sold in the West.

EV todays is:

• Battery cells — no substitute for China here. Lithium batteries are nothing special to make, but China has over 2 decades spent on establishing its dominance in lithium battery supply chain.
• Power electronics (power supplies for charging, regeneration, motor driving)
  • Requires high performance switches (high grade silicon mosfets, or SiC/GaN devices.) Making such requires not simply having just a semiconductor fab, but a top tier one, built specifically for making power electronics. You will have to import them in parts or in preassembled modules
  • Requires expertise in SMPS design, and a good one
• Engineers for non-power electronics. EV cars are basically all "drive by wire," with software and sensors all making them handle properly on the road
• Light weight body to compensate for heavy batteries — certainly possible with plain steel, but again, proper engineering and metallurgy expertise
• Whatever is not on this list is what can be made and sourced from Pakistan